2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat's going to happen first? Hillary releases transcripts or Capehart apologizes?
Any bets?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)or
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)where did I place my umbrella? Could get shitty over here.
onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)The average voter cares about those transcripts, or the average voter cares about what Capehart does?
Answer: neither.
I'll wager that the average voter thinks Goldman-Sachs are personal injury lawyers, and that Capehart is a suburb in South Africa.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I do not and think they should have all the data to make an informed decision.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)It's a matter of political junkies believing that these things actually matter to the average voter.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)release her transcripts, lol
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)The average voter would pore over those transcripts, and read every last word.
I think voters would be more interested in knowing what Bernie knew, and when he knew it, about his campaign accessing HRC's computer data, the unauthorized use of organizations' logos on his mailers, and posing as union members to access restricted areas.
But that information won't be forthcoming any time soon, will it?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I find it hard to believe Bernie knew much about what many staffers are doing on the campaign and he has fired at least one and rebuked others and apologized for all of those charges.
Hillary on the other hand is sole owner and responsible for the transcripts. She has put out many times she is looking into the release of those transcripts. Is she not telling the truth in those statement she made? And yes many many voters want to know what she said for the nearly THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS she put into her personal bank account.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)Name them.
The only people wanting those transcripts are BS supporters, pinning their hopes on the notion that they contain something damaging.
NO ONE ELSE CARES.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)good lord,
Many on the fence and undecided would like as much information as possible to make an informed decision. Are you the one to make the decision on what they should have available to them? Like I said, that is indeed very arrogant in my opinion.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)No interest at all
Arazi
(6,829 posts)I'm guessing there's rich material in Hillary's speeches to mine and she knows it
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Made a big difference with many voters. If course some here want to make the decision for them on what they should have available to make that very important decision.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Once the message gets to them.
Meanwhile, we'll have a bunch of hand twisters hoping all this won't while defending every attempt at an informed electorate.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)Seriously?
The only people interested in those transcripts are BSers who are hoping they contain a "gotcha" moment that can be used against HRC.
NO ONE ELSE CARES.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)sounds a little on the arrogant side if you ask me.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)Other than BS supporters, there aren't any.
There's also the fact that being as the transcripts are only in HRC's possession, if she released them the immediate cry from BSers would be that she altered them before their release.
In effect, BSers having already floated that possibility of tampering, so there is no point in releasing them. Ever.
You BSers have actually made the case for why she shouldn't release them - because, as far as you're concerned, she's damned if she does and equally damned if she doesn't.
Not a smart move.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... and were unaffected by, in the same way Mitt's refusal to release tax returns didn't affect voters as much as it should have.
The average voter is not on political websites 24/7. There's a lot they don't know, and don't pay attention to. And the average voter is not going to sift through pages of HRC speeches - that's just the way of the world.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Wow, you're approaching Baghdad Bob territory at this point.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)ALL voters must demand them before you will agree for them to be released.
She has them and they can be studied and verified by forensic experts. There was also a transcriber per her contract that could verify the accuracy of them. Not to mention, I bet there was video of them for her or the GS.
I agree not a smart move, that would have been to release them that night before even the appearance that they could have been edited. She chose not to and lied to the voters.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)You only know who doesn't.
Logical
(22,457 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... doesn't change the fact that the average voter is not demanding transcripts - only BSers are.
Logical
(22,457 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... what she said to Wall Street firms, if the transcripts aren't available? And if they DO know what she said, why are the transcripts important?
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)That must be why she's still "looking into it". Funny I don't always remember you being this obtuse.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)Fine. Name them.
Show the outcry from average voters demanding the release of those transcripts - people other than BSers.
Post a link to average Democrats standing on the street with placards saying "WE DEMAND THE TRANSCRIPTS!"
As I've said elsewhere in this thread, the fact that BSers have already stated that if she DOES release the transcripts, they will immediately declare that she altered them, has in itself negated any motivation to release them.
She's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't - so there's really no need to release them in any event, given that the outcome will be the same either way.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Otherwise she would have already released them. Only cranks would claim they were altered, or she could easily paint them that way in any case. That's not what is keeping her from releasing them. I think you kinda know that already.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... that if she doesn't release the transcripts, it's because she's hiding something - and if she does release them, they will claim she altered them while they were in her sole possession.
So what's her motivation for releasing them, if she's already been judged guilty of something either way?
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)And you know it. This is one of the most absurd arguments I've seen in a long time. But, if it's the best you've got, have fun with it.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)I'm just stating the fact that there is absolutely NO reason for her to release those transcripts. Her supporters don't care about them, and the only people who DO care about them have already determined she's guilty of something whether she releases them or not.
So what's the point?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Nice confession.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)It fits with her campaign, I must say.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,923 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)must be really looking into it!
Dr. Strange
(25,923 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)However, they may have been on the server she wiped with a cloth or something.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I'm going to steal that clock for an OP that I hope NEVER dies....!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,923 posts)wilsonbooks
(972 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)He isn't fooling anyone but his followers.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Jonathan Capehart stunt the he is pulling is so obvious
No wonder people are so turned off by MSM
jeff47
(26,549 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Someone with access will leak it out.
Let's hope it happens now.
Because if Clinton wins the nomination, you can be certain it will happen then, and be designed to damage her on behalf of the Republicans.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Just like the other two possibilities, just ain't gonna happen
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)The establishment would want some security about their netherworld comfort before they abandon their echo-chambered luxury bubble.
Spirochete
(5,264 posts)on Halley's comet, myself...
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I don't think he has deep psychological resources to withstand the sort of mockery that's inundating him, I can see him doing something really unfortunate.