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What's going to happen first? Hillary releases transcripts or Capehart apologizes? (Original Post) jillan Feb 2016 OP
. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #1
yup. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #4
agreed, lol Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #9
Capehart fades into the background, until everyone forgets his name. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #2
Pigs fly!! nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #3
THREAD WINNER nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #5
Second Tuesday of next week at the same time. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #6
What transcripts? Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #7
What's going to happen first? NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #8
to bad you think the average voter is stupid Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #11
It's not a matter of being stupid. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #14
They would if she would Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #15
Ah, yes, of course. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #18
I think it should all be put out Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #22
"And yes many many voters want to know what she said." NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #26
yes, right, I know them all by name Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #30
Just like the 'average voter' doesn't want to hear about 'her damn emails' Matariki Feb 2016 #61
Mitt Romney's 47%comment at a private speech mattered. A lot Arazi Feb 2016 #28
I agree Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #34
But they DO matter to the average voter... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #16
"Once the message gets to them" NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #21
So are you the one to make the decision for all voters? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #23
Where are all the voters demanding the transcripts? NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #33
Nobody knew they wanted to see Romney's 47% speech, until they did Arazi Feb 2016 #35
Which many voters saw ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #40
lol, ok Arazi Feb 2016 #42
Wait, now Mitt's 47% speech didn't matter either? DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #45
Is that how it works? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #38
You don't know who cares... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #65
Well, Hillary is not trusted. So it does matter. No matter how much you deny it. nt Logical Feb 2016 #32
Whether Hillary is trusted or not ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #36
The average voter knows the shit she said to the wall street firms. And don't trust her. nt Logical Feb 2016 #39
How could they know ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #43
Exactly! leftofcool Feb 2016 #20
Nancy being Nancy! nt Logical Feb 2016 #31
Right, no one cares DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #44
You think people care? NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #47
Plenty of people will care when they hear them DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #48
BSers have already stated ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #49
She's not worried about Sanders loyalists DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #50
I didn't say she was worried about anything. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #55
I proudly stand with Nance Greggs v2.0.08, that lady was a sharp judge of character Fumesucker Feb 2016 #63
So Hillary fans admit it takes an uninformed electorate to get her elected. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #52
So at this point your hope for Clinton is that people are stupid. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #53
Yeah, that's what I said. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #56
Pretty obviously, yes. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #58
At the moment, only one of them has a clock. Dr. Strange Feb 2016 #10
Thank you - I've been looking for that link! jillan Feb 2016 #12
over 10 days now Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #13
Unfortunately, she hired the same detective as OJ did to find the real killer. Dr. Strange Feb 2016 #19
Well, the billing records showed up Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #24
Dr. Strange... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #17
Go for it! Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #25
I'll be sure to give it a rec! Dr. Strange Feb 2016 #37
Thank you for the link. wilsonbooks Feb 2016 #57
Or Bernie gives us specifics on his foreign policy or true cost of his single payer? asuhornets Feb 2016 #27
That won't happen. He is well aware that real Democrats know how much it will cost. leftofcool Feb 2016 #29
Yep...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #46
Dont if any will happen Truprogressive85 Feb 2016 #41
Heat death of the universe will happen before either. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #51
Neither, but the transcripts will come out. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #54
My money is on Godzilla rising from the depths and eating Gov. Snyder mikehiggins Feb 2016 #59
I'm going with Hell freezing over. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #60
I placed a bet Spirochete Feb 2016 #62
I wouldn't be surprised to see Capehart break down mentally somehow, he seems fragile Fumesucker Feb 2016 #64

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
8. What's going to happen first?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

The average voter cares about those transcripts, or the average voter cares about what Capehart does?

Answer: neither.

I'll wager that the average voter thinks Goldman-Sachs are personal injury lawyers, and that Capehart is a suburb in South Africa.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
11. to bad you think the average voter is stupid
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:52 PM
Feb 2016

I do not and think they should have all the data to make an informed decision.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
14. It's not a matter of being stupid.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016

It's a matter of political junkies believing that these things actually matter to the average voter.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
18. Ah, yes, of course.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:03 PM
Feb 2016

The average voter would pore over those transcripts, and read every last word.

I think voters would be more interested in knowing what Bernie knew, and when he knew it, about his campaign accessing HRC's computer data, the unauthorized use of organizations' logos on his mailers, and posing as union members to access restricted areas.

But that information won't be forthcoming any time soon, will it?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
22. I think it should all be put out
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:21 PM
Feb 2016

I find it hard to believe Bernie knew much about what many staffers are doing on the campaign and he has fired at least one and rebuked others and apologized for all of those charges.

Hillary on the other hand is sole owner and responsible for the transcripts. She has put out many times she is looking into the release of those transcripts. Is she not telling the truth in those statement she made? And yes many many voters want to know what she said for the nearly THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS she put into her personal bank account.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
26. "And yes many many voters want to know what she said."
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:26 PM
Feb 2016

Name them.

The only people wanting those transcripts are BS supporters, pinning their hopes on the notion that they contain something damaging.

NO ONE ELSE CARES.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
30. yes, right, I know them all by name
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:32 PM
Feb 2016

good lord,

Many on the fence and undecided would like as much information as possible to make an informed decision. Are you the one to make the decision on what they should have available to them? Like I said, that is indeed very arrogant in my opinion.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
28. Mitt Romney's 47%comment at a private speech mattered. A lot
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

I'm guessing there's rich material in Hillary's speeches to mine and she knows it

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
34. I agree
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

Made a big difference with many voters. If course some here want to make the decision for them on what they should have available to make that very important decision.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
16. But they DO matter to the average voter...
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:58 PM
Feb 2016

Once the message gets to them.

Meanwhile, we'll have a bunch of hand twisters hoping all this won't while defending every attempt at an informed electorate.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
21. "Once the message gets to them"
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:14 PM
Feb 2016

Seriously?

The only people interested in those transcripts are BSers who are hoping they contain a "gotcha" moment that can be used against HRC.

NO ONE ELSE CARES.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
23. So are you the one to make the decision for all voters?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

sounds a little on the arrogant side if you ask me.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
33. Where are all the voters demanding the transcripts?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

Other than BS supporters, there aren't any.

There's also the fact that being as the transcripts are only in HRC's possession, if she released them the immediate cry from BSers would be that she altered them before their release.

In effect, BSers having already floated that possibility of tampering, so there is no point in releasing them. Ever.

You BSers have actually made the case for why she shouldn't release them - because, as far as you're concerned, she's damned if she does and equally damned if she doesn't.

Not a smart move.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
40. Which many voters saw ...
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016

... and were unaffected by, in the same way Mitt's refusal to release tax returns didn't affect voters as much as it should have.

The average voter is not on political websites 24/7. There's a lot they don't know, and don't pay attention to. And the average voter is not going to sift through pages of HRC speeches - that's just the way of the world.



 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
45. Wait, now Mitt's 47% speech didn't matter either?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:49 PM
Feb 2016

Wow, you're approaching Baghdad Bob territory at this point.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
38. Is that how it works?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

ALL voters must demand them before you will agree for them to be released.

She has them and they can be studied and verified by forensic experts. There was also a transcriber per her contract that could verify the accuracy of them. Not to mention, I bet there was video of them for her or the GS.

I agree not a smart move, that would have been to release them that night before even the appearance that they could have been edited. She chose not to and lied to the voters.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
36. Whether Hillary is trusted or not ...
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:36 PM
Feb 2016

... doesn't change the fact that the average voter is not demanding transcripts - only BSers are.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
43. How could they know ...
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:43 PM
Feb 2016

... what she said to Wall Street firms, if the transcripts aren't available? And if they DO know what she said, why are the transcripts important?

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
44. Right, no one cares
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:45 PM
Feb 2016

That must be why she's still "looking into it". Funny I don't always remember you being this obtuse.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
47. You think people care?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:56 PM
Feb 2016

Fine. Name them.

Show the outcry from average voters demanding the release of those transcripts - people other than BSers.

Post a link to average Democrats standing on the street with placards saying "WE DEMAND THE TRANSCRIPTS!"

As I've said elsewhere in this thread, the fact that BSers have already stated that if she DOES release the transcripts, they will immediately declare that she altered them, has in itself negated any motivation to release them.

She's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't - so there's really no need to release them in any event, given that the outcome will be the same either way.



 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
48. Plenty of people will care when they hear them
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:04 AM
Feb 2016

Otherwise she would have already released them. Only cranks would claim they were altered, or she could easily paint them that way in any case. That's not what is keeping her from releasing them. I think you kinda know that already.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
49. BSers have already stated ...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:08 AM
Feb 2016

... that if she doesn't release the transcripts, it's because she's hiding something - and if she does release them, they will claim she altered them while they were in her sole possession.

So what's her motivation for releasing them, if she's already been judged guilty of something either way?

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
50. She's not worried about Sanders loyalists
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:11 AM
Feb 2016

And you know it. This is one of the most absurd arguments I've seen in a long time. But, if it's the best you've got, have fun with it.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
55. I didn't say she was worried about anything.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:32 AM
Feb 2016

I'm just stating the fact that there is absolutely NO reason for her to release those transcripts. Her supporters don't care about them, and the only people who DO care about them have already determined she's guilty of something whether she releases them or not.

So what's the point?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
53. So at this point your hope for Clinton is that people are stupid.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:30 AM
Feb 2016

It fits with her campaign, I must say.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
24. Well, the billing records showed up
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

However, they may have been on the server she wiped with a cloth or something.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
29. That won't happen. He is well aware that real Democrats know how much it will cost.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

He isn't fooling anyone but his followers.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
41. Dont if any will happen
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:43 PM
Feb 2016

Jonathan Capehart stunt the he is pulling is so obvious

No wonder people are so turned off by MSM

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
54. Neither, but the transcripts will come out.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:32 AM
Feb 2016

Someone with access will leak it out.

Let's hope it happens now.

Because if Clinton wins the nomination, you can be certain it will happen then, and be designed to damage her on behalf of the Republicans.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
59. My money is on Godzilla rising from the depths and eating Gov. Snyder
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:27 AM
Feb 2016

Just like the other two possibilities, just ain't gonna happen

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
60. I'm going with Hell freezing over.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:06 AM
Feb 2016

The establishment would want some security about their netherworld comfort before they abandon their echo-chambered luxury bubble.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
64. I wouldn't be surprised to see Capehart break down mentally somehow, he seems fragile
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 05:16 AM
Feb 2016

I don't think he has deep psychological resources to withstand the sort of mockery that's inundating him, I can see him doing something really unfortunate.

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