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"Bernie Sanders - Through The Years" (Original Post) berniepdx420 Feb 2016 OP
This goes all the way to Reagan years and Bernie's work w Rainbow Coalition. thereismore Feb 2016 #1
He has been consistent forever! kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #2
12:20 Bernie mentions internment camps and also Dr. King. He always had thereismore Feb 2016 #3
While me and thousands of others served in the military during Vietnam Bernie filed as a doc03 Feb 2016 #4
Ok.. thanks for your service... is there a more specific point you would like to make ? berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #5
Thanks for your service... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #12
Bill Clinton isn't running for president and Hillary wasn't subject to the doc03 Feb 2016 #13
Bill is running TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #14
No Bill Clinton is not running for president any more than Bernie's wife is. You know some doc03 Feb 2016 #15
Bernie's wife... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #16
Frankly my friend I don't give a shit and most people other than doc03 Feb 2016 #18
Wait a second TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #20
I don't know of any politition that hasn't ever told a lie. Brian Williams was a doc03 Feb 2016 #17
Thank you for responding TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #19
What's wrong with being a Conscientious Objector in an immoral war? n/t Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #21
The fact he later voted for war... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #23
Why? Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #25
His campaign said he was pacifist in college TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #26
Mainly agree, except technically Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #27
True true!!! TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #28
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #29
If more would have had his wisdom that war would have ended much sooner. SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #24
Great video TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #6
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #7
My pleasure Uncle Joe.. I think we can take NV... what do think ? berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #8
I place the odds in Bernie's favor at this point 60/40 with the wind at his back. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #9
That sounds about right to me... can't believe it.. so crazy.... we might just get a true progr berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #11
K & R! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #10
Marking for Bernie progressive catalog thru the years. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #22
Thank you for this, Bernie PDF 420! Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #30
Kicking this to the top of the forum... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #31

doc03

(35,364 posts)
4. While me and thousands of others served in the military during Vietnam Bernie filed as a
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:19 PM
Feb 2016

conscientious objector to avoid his service.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
12. Thanks for your service...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016

Bill Clinton dodged as well and Hillary Clinton lied about her Bosnia "warzone experience" in very similar fashion to Brian Williams from NBC.

doc03

(35,364 posts)
13. Bill Clinton isn't running for president and Hillary wasn't subject to the
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:16 AM
Feb 2016

draft. I have recently seen Trump trashed here for dodging the draft too but the draft dodger thing doesn't count with some I guess.
What was it he had heal spur or something and Limbaugh had a boil on his fat ass.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
14. Bill is running
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:18 AM
Feb 2016

In 1992 he said he and Hillary are a package deal. He fundraises for the campaign. He does big rallies for the campaign. And he is a major part of the campaign's strategy.

You didn't respond to what I said about Hillary's lie regarding sniper fire in Bosnia. Brian Williams' career was ruined for lying in similar fashion.

doc03

(35,364 posts)
15. No Bill Clinton is not running for president any more than Bernie's wife is. You know some
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:26 AM
Feb 2016

people did have a legitimate medical excuse for not serving. I didn't believe in that f----g war either but I went and fulfilled my
obligation. Me and thousands of others didn't go to Canada or claim conscientious objector status.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
16. Bernie's wife...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:29 AM
Feb 2016

Is not a former POTUS with huge fundraising power. She is not holding rallies on her own. I seriously doubt she has much of a say in the campaign strategy.

What do you think of Hillary's lie about sniper fire in Bosnia? Please answer this time.

doc03

(35,364 posts)
18. Frankly my friend I don't give a shit and most people other than
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:38 AM
Feb 2016

a few right wingers and Bernie supporters that want to trash our own don't either.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
20. Wait a second
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:41 AM
Feb 2016

You were the one who brought up military service and character at the beginning of this thread. I merely brought up Bill and Hillary's misadventures in response.

doc03

(35,364 posts)
17. I don't know of any politition that hasn't ever told a lie. Brian Williams was a
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:35 AM
Feb 2016

network news anchor he is supposed to tell the truth. Look at O'Riley he got off scott free with ten times as many lies
as Brian Williams.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
19. Thank you for responding
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:40 AM
Feb 2016

I don't agree and I suspect Republicans will hammer her for it (as they would hammer Bernie's draft dodging). But I appreciate your insight.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
25. Why?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:59 AM
Feb 2016

He's not a pacifist. He didn't want to participate in an immoral war. There are moral arguments to be made for both Afghanistan and Bosnia.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
26. His campaign said he was pacifist in college
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:06 AM
Feb 2016

They released a statement back in September about all of this that he was a pacifist in college and that he is no longer a pacifist.

I think his campaign should just point out that the public elected GWB/Cheney and Clinton for 16 years. Those three were all draft dodgers.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
24. If more would have had his wisdom that war would have ended much sooner.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:52 AM
Feb 2016

"avoid his service" - no, many people knew that war was wrong and fought the system.

Thank you for doing what you thought was right - and we should all thank the people that did what was right.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
6. Great video
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

He isn't perfect but I think he's more in touch with the struggle of regular people than 99% of the national politicians.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
11. That sounds about right to me... can't believe it.. so crazy.... we might just get a true progr
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:49 PM
Feb 2016

progressive in the WH holy crap

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
30. Thank you for this, Bernie PDF 420!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:31 AM
Feb 2016

I watched the whole thing. It is very impressive and very moving. And it covers just a few of the excellent causes and policies that Sanders has championed all his life. It is truly a great moment in our history that this man is running for president!

As for his CO, I wouldn't care if he'd burned his draft card and fled to Canada to avoid participating in that horrendous slaughterhouse in Southeast Asia. There are many kinds of courage, moral courage being the highest of them all. But rather than simply run--which was totally justified in the case of that war, certainly the worst thing that the US has ever done--he stood his ground, and subjected himself to US military laws and procedures, and declared his conscientious objection to that holocaust. Luckily he achieved CO status. He could have gone to prison for refusal to pointlessly kill people who were no threat to us and who were merely defending their country.

I'm from a military family and I certainly know that military service can be honorable and brave but so can objection to unjust war.

Peace

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