Honestly. You saw what in what cobtext?

To a question on how he will improve race relations better than Obama?
Answer: tax millionaires and billionaire to get black kids jobs 'so they wont be hanging on street corners'.

It's not as if he called for us to bring super predators to heel.

So is finger-gate an antisemitic dog whistle?

Everybody thinks we hang on street corners. Have no idea what pointing has to do with race. The ones I handled were black.

Wow

They got what they wanted

Your stories change faster than your candidate's

Where's the server? I could use another cocktail!

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Keep it up...

you just came in here to throw chairs around and never bothered to address the OP

the other day you had an OP during the bogus photo "controversy" that I posted in where you asked if bernie ever said the photo was of him and then within the same thread said it didn't matter to you if he did (http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511214506#post70)

you're simply disruptive and i am done playing your game

I admit I am a Sanders supporter and white, but the hair stands up on the back of my neck hearing and reading the "bring them to heel" in a speech.

Not AS cringeworthy, but still terrible comments

I find it more deliberate and offensive. That is me.

This is now you are DEFLECTING

I believe I admitted poor choice of words and imagery. I cannot speak for Sanders, but my interpretation of his addressing the question was from his angle of economics and trying to improve from that angle.

I do think it is fair, however, when looking at both candidates if accusing of dog whistles and racism to bring up HRC's "bring them to heel" phrase. I do not know if she apologized or further elaborated where it became accepted or forgiven.

It got brought back up during her last campqign because SHE FAILED TO LEARN HER LESSON RIGHT. She lost a primary over her race related spewing.

I remember 2008. My state never gets visited by candidates -- yet I got to hear Obama twice and Clintons were all over the state. But the primary went on to point of convention. I didn't trust her back then ... and this just carries over to present for me. I read your response as she did some penance and earned forgiveness, but do have to wonder on trust issue.

She is right on nearly ALL issues

No jobs. No prospects.

Really, it seems to me that you don't want anything better for black (or any) youth than hanging around street corners. You seem to want no better than 51% unemployment for black youth so that the best they can hope for is hanging around street corners.

Tell me Bravenak. What is the alternative to no prospects beside hanging around a street corner? What are your prospects when 1/3 of your compadres are in jail and 51% of your compadres cannot find work.

Reading your posts for the last 2-3 days, it really seems to me that you don't want black kids to have an advocate. You don't want them to have ANY SORT of pathway to succeed.

Because the question was on race relations not black youth unemployment and you know that.

After class I'll mosey back out to my corner to hold it down.

racism contributes to disproportionate joblessness within the black community

He didn't just say "black kids". He included other poc and poor white kids, too.

Asked by PBS debate moderator Judy Woodruff if "race relations would be better under a Sanders presidency than they've been," the Vermont senator replied, "Absolutely."

"Because what we will do is say, instead of giving tax breaks to millionaires, we are going to create millions of jobs for low-income kids so they're not hanging out on street corners," he said. "We're going to make sure that those kids stay in school or are able get a college education. So I think that when you give low-income kids, African-American, white, Latino kids, the opportunities to get their lives together, they are not going to end up in jail. They're going to end up in the productive economy, which is where we want them."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/politics/bernie-sanders-race-relations-democratic-debate/]

Not a poverty forum or an all races included forum. It was about US. The question was how to improve race relations. The answer was to get poor kids off street corners.

Asked by PBS debate moderator Judy Woodruff if "race relations would be better under a Sanders presidency than they've been," the Vermont senator replied, "Absolutely."

"Because what we will do is say, instead of giving tax breaks to millionaires, we are going to create millions of jobs for low-income kids so they're not hanging out on street corners," he said. "We're going to make sure that those kids stay in school or are able get a college education. So I think that when you give low-income kids, African-American, white, Latino kids, the opportunities to get their lives together, they are not going to end up in jail. They're going to end up in the productive economy, which is where we want them."



http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/politics/bernie-sanders-race-relations-democratic-debate/]

Not Black kids. Please Brave, get it right.

You can only tell one story so many times when your audience walks away.

That was insensitive and you damn well know it

At least THAT one actually is language derived from a command given to dogs.

Why is it only a race relations problem when black kids hang on corners?

You would have been all mocking him about all lives matter.

Whites hang in the unemploymemt line and we have our corners

Anway, I REALLY want to know your feelings on "Bring them to heel"?

Can you summon up just a wee bit of honesty for me?

Hanging on street corners

He doesn't demand that they be "brought to heel".

What does that entail? Throwing them in jail at historically unprecedented levels like. The legacy of the Clintons.

Here's a good book for you if you haven't already read it.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/new-jim-crow-michelle-alexander/1101303322

But NOBODY can admit a fault with this guy. Cannot stand stereotyping our kids. I was 9 when she said that. I have a 10 year old now I need to know my kids are not going to get a
Stereotoyed any further. He needs to get why what he said was hurtful. And stop. He cannot do that by pretending nothing is wrong with it! Admit it apologize move on.

Bernie's quote included kids of all races.

How the fuck you gonna spin THAT one?

“Because what we will do is say, instead of giving tax breaks to millionaires, we are going to create millions of jobs for low-income kids so they’re not hanging out on street corners,” he said. “We’re going to make sure that those kids stay in school or are able get a college education. So I think that when you give low-income kids, African-American, white, Latino kids, the opportunities to get their lives together, they are not going to end up in jail. They’re going to end up in the productive economy, which is where we want them.”

You saw the quote. You're over your head in this one. You should just regroup and hope for a better day tomorrow.

How does us beingon street corners cause a deterioration in race relations and how will getting us off street corners improve them? Only white kids can kick it on street corners? If we do it, we're causing race relation issues.

It's not that complicated.

kids are on the street (not necessarily on corners) for drug involvement. It would be nice to see them off the streets and having a good job, going to college etc.

WTF does that have to do with race relations?

ARE STILL IN FUCKING PRISON - a long time indeed for her words to push through legislation that has those kids (now adults) still in prison. That long time is a bad thing that led to catastrophic circumstances for them and their families, and for the record, I was a poor kid at 16, I had no job and I did hang out on street corners until I did find work that got me off the street corner.

For the record you purposely misquoted him as pointed out above just to make it sound stereotypicaly racist and then you straight up lied about it, also for the record, being multi-racial (what you would call not black enough Dragonfli!) I represented four different races on that corner where my friends also hung out, friends representing largely three races, black white and Puerto Rican. I lived where we were less divided stuck to and stuck together as poor kids just to keep safe and out of jail, your attempt to divide disgusts me, I know from experience when you live in a mixed poor neighborhood, sticking together with your poor neighbors, you see only friends that will share their last jar of peanut butter with you, or last batch of red beans an rice. you don'tr stand around comparing shades, I am light tan, light enough that I look white unless I stand next to a European. my slightly slanted eyes give away (but only if you look closely) my asian bits and my hair and beard, tend to show my Hispanic bits, so I was the oddest one of all.
You don't hate on your white fiends or your black friends or Hispanic friends you HANG OUT with your poor ass friends that have your back.
I want a nation like that, not this land of pitting one group against another in your vision of the future that you appear to only hold in order to elect a war criminal lovin' racist ass, rich white lady you are too blind to see is just using you for that division she thinks will divide us and win her an election. just using you to get her rich ass elected and yet thinks your black ass should be brought to heel like the superpredater she sees you as,.

I have taken it easy on you in the past but please, don't try to play me with bullshit lies and misquotes fueled by some fucked up hatred I have yet to understand against who I have yet to understand.

Your slack you got cut came from the past when you were a descent and honest poster, consider that slack used up as of now!

While she was talking about bringing black kids she called superpredators to heel, he supported the bill because of provisions to protect women against violence he also thought it was more important to address the reasons for crime, he misjudged how the bill would be used, thinking it would target the most violent offenders not realizing that cowardly cops would just use it to round up non violent mostly black drug offenders so it was a mistake, an unintentional one but a mistake. Hilary on the other hand specifically thought about bringing blacks to heel

Oh please! The man is no saint and not perfect.

For that type of slur on Bernie.
You make a valid point.

for example he anxiously signals the moderator many times when he has a point to make in response to Hillary. It looks silly and there's only two debaters, so he doesn't need to worry that he'll be ignored and she never does anything like that -- always remaining cool. That and a number of other suggestions are things his aides should be making. He needs to do less repeating of the same talking points and more directly address a lot of questions that don't get answered. Some of his issues (eg critique of wanton interventionism) need to be more clearly formulated -- as Jeffrey Sachs very well explained the issue on a recent "Democracy Now". These are style concerns and they matter -- BOTH in terms of maximizing voter support and in terms of raising mass consciousness.

None of these concerns is "antisemitic". I know that some people may speak of "Jewish anti-semite" any time some political correctness issue is triggered or criticism of Israeli policy is made (I am very critical, though probably more modulated on the issue than almost all others as Left as I am in general). An excess of political correctness has a serious cost -- it drives people away from progressive politics when we need to be out to prevail. (People may like to say "WIN" but that is too short-sighted in many situations).

The going is getting MUCH rougher as the campaign moves from states where there has been LOTS of retail organizing for many months to other regions of the country with brief campaigns. Debates, ads, tactics all have to aspire to the excellence of Obama's campaign which was really quite something. (I was a strong supporter of Barack Obama in 07-8 and worried about him making the steep climb to and including Super Tuesday, and he had LOTS of advantages that Bernie Sanders doesn't. I had kind of hoped that Obama would NOT be a neoliberal of any flavor, instead straddling between the progressive and neoliberal wings of the Democratic Party -- a hope that started being deflated when Biden was picked as running mate). At any rate, the gulf between Obama, Clinton, or Sanders on one hand and that circus of terrifying clowns (the hopeless Kasich being only lesser than the others on that but still staunch RW) is so genormous, I quake at the thought of combining a GOP president and Congress again ever. At any rate progressives need to cool it on the political correctness and focus on optimizing strength in both short and long runs.

End of sermon

And i appreciate your reply. I am a 50 yr old white guy who grew up in a very white suburb of nyc. There were very few Jews as well. Plenty of racism, antisemitic and ethnic slurs and jokes. As an adult I have worked much of my career in brooklyn. Issues like and racial sterotypes often remind me of things I was exposed to when I was young.

And yes, the fact that Bernie is Jewish is going to be a problem to some.

I hope he gets feedback on it.

This may have been the first debate Sanders has been in that had reaction shots prominently featured, but I think the reason the public is so strongly influenced by them is that the President does have to hear things he disagrees with and not let temper get the best of them.

Apparently they were a primary reason that people watching TV reacted like they did in the Nixon-Kennedy debates -- Nixon often appeared angry in the reaction shots.

Whether they are valid media uses of camera angles -- one news agency refused to accede to requests to have them removed from a mayoral debate -- or not, I don't think Bernie was prepared for that format. Surely he had to have signed off on the format, though, and Clinton seemed to be prepared for them -- because of previous debate experience or close reading of the format negotiation documents, I don't know.

That is the reason it's being brought up - there are only two of them debating. Of course he is going to get his chance to speak. There's no reason for the finger pointing and hand raising. It is nothing but a distraction.

Would you have any reason to doubt that is what the other campaign has in mind?

"He's not trained like the other political products."

Hillary's hand movements are taught, trained and rehearsed. The way she keeps her index finger rolled back so as to avoid actually pointing, if you pay attention you'll notice a lot of politicians do the same thing.

I was taught that I should always keep my habd folded on the podium in front of me because gesturing was "distracting." But if I couldn't help gesturing, be very measured and discreetcwith my hand movements. I suspect Hillary has been getting that same advice from thevtime she was a young woman,

Men don't have similar constraints placed on them. Sanders is able to be himself, gesturing freely, pointing, waving, etc. Can you imagine a femalle presidential candidate with Sanders demeanor?

are taught to just about anyone who does public speaking and different types of sales.

"Sanders is able to be himself, gesturing freely, pointing, waving, etc."

"Can you imagine a femalle presidential candidate with Sanders demeanor?"

"Men don't have similar constraints placed on them."

Might also depend what crowd is watching

from your link

"Meanwhile, one of the few repeated no-nos we heard was to avoid pointing. It can look aggressive, unwelcoming and off-putting to many in the crowd."

Does someone have a guilty conscience

"A conscience is a built-in sense of what's right and what's wrong. That sick feeling in your stomach after you meanly told your younger brother the truth about Santa Claus? That might be your conscience bothering you."
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/conscience

My wife and I both "talk with our hands." We are not semitic, Italian or whatever else. We are WASPS with a generous dash of trailer trash.

Because it's hilarious to return the finger wag storm in a teacup with a Wall Street referance.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1236431

I keep my hands in my pockets most of the time, except when I am giving directions.

according to the "stereotype"!

I think he punctuates what he is saying and it works very very well in big stadiums and in small rooms and on TV. I think he is who he is and I am fine with that. The hand gestures help drive home points and remind those watching that he is speaking very important things.

Bernie, don't change a thing. Bunch of nonsense.

Hillary has to learn to get to the point quicker. POTUS needs to be efficient and effective with their words.

And not by you mind you.

especially black female .

We have about an equal amount of French and English speaking people right here .... my best friends are French - they do talk with hands and wave their arms around a lot, we joke about it.

The antisemitism coming out of the Clinton camp is disturbing.

And he's as English as they come.

One way or another, it's certainly a ridiculous effort to attack Sanders. They can't bring him down on issues, so they'll throw everything including the kitchen sink at him to try to make something stick.

This one is beyond ridiculous.

Meryl Streep and the Clintons are "African Americans", if that will help them win Oscars or votes...

http://www.rimaregas.com/2016/02/the-clinton-game-of-race-gender-and-class-divide-and-conquer-same-as-it-ever-was-blog42/