2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA Hillary presidency would be nothing but a giant Benghazi hearing!
I want Hillary's supporters to explain to all us how they think for one single second that she will get to do anything as president. Honestly, tell us how she is going to pass any agenda when Republicans have already threatened to impeach her on her very first day in office.
I'd like to know how she is going to get anything passed when she is the most hated & most polarizing figure in all of politics. I would like to know how Hillary supporters believe she is going to get anything passed, literally because honestly, I don't see it. She is completely embroiled in controversy and you can say that some of that is RW crap which I will agree with BUT if you think that the recent email controversy along with how the Clinton Foundation has received subpoenas recently isn't going to be a problem, I have news for you, it is.
Wherever the Clinton's go, controversy follows and I can tell you this much right now, there is NO way in hell Republicans will let Bill Clinton, an impeached POTUS, anywhere close to the White House again.
Nothing would get done with a Hillary presidency and I mean absolutely zero. You think stagnation is bad now? You haven't seen a damn thing yet. Her entire presidency would be nothing but one giant Benghazi hearing. Over and over and over. They would obstruct her at every single thing you can imagine.
Bernie on the other hand? Not when Republicans actually respect and like him.
Point Bernie.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)You are seriously mistaken. If you believe for one second that Sanders would not be heavily scrutinized as President, I've got ocean front property in Nebraska to sell you. Rove running ads against Clinton does not mean that Republicans like Sanders, it just means that they would prefer to run against him. They aren't attacking him because they are holding out in case he wins the nomination.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)Jeb?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)As Gomer Pyle used to say, Surprise, Surprise, Surprise !
It's not like they have nominated any sane candidates...that may overshadow a sane Republican voting his conscience. How anyone could vote for that "Clown Car" of being, boggles the mind.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Meanwhile.....
https://www.reddit.com/r/RepublicansForSanders
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/22/1395700/-Republicans-for-Bernie-Sanders
Could you pint us please to where all the Republican support for Hillary is? We'll wait.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)There is Republican support for Clinton out there. You can find registered Republicans who have supported Democratic candidates in various cycles, it's not at all uncommon. Republican support is hardly a badge of honor considering how obstructionist they are.
With that said, the Republican House and Senate would be hardly conciliatory to a Sanders administration. Republicans don't like to lose the presidency, so they will do anything they can to make it difficult for a Democrat to govern. Bank on it.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)He has their respect and his judgement may not always be agreed to, but it is respected.
I know the Republicans are assholes, but they also have to get re-elected and the base...many of whom they have no clue of who and how many, is going to get change. Slowly, but surely. We are getting our Democratic Party Back. Guess who loses the most...the egregious Tea Party...now off the political radar.
New Hampshire has just started its own revolution regarding Superdelegates. NOW, that the kitchen sink has been thrown, next must be the bathtub. Wonder how many votes and dollars That One will get for Bernie.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Nice try though.
It is a badge of honor that he has Republicans voting for him because THAT equates to getting shit done.
Hillary? Not a chance in hell.
I guess you missed this too didn't you?
You guys just don't get it do you? As Maddow said "Bernie has NO enemies".
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Every Democratic candidate receives some Republican votes in the general election, so it's quite implausible that Clinton would get 0% of registered Republicans.
As for your claim, Burr said that never happened and has asked for a retraction. https://twitter.com/Burrforsenate/status/690269965816041472
Nice try, though. Lies don't boost your argument.
The only lies are about things like Sniper Fire and that sort of thing.
The AP stands by its story http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/richard-burr-denies-ap-report
Again, show us where all these voters are crossing over to vote for Hillary. I mean there has to be a ton of Indy's right? Maybe some Republicans too. Oh wait, they are in the Sanders camp! Got it.
I've given you evidence but you choose not to believe it. Not my problem, man.
But one last thing, here.
https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/71225/bernie-sanders-is-loud-stubborn-socialist-republicans-like-him-anyway
Ole!
Hillary can't touch that as much as you WANT to believe, facts and reality dictate otherwise.
Z_California
(650 posts)then you are misinformed. He is respected by Repubs in Congress and Maddow even stated he "has no enemies in Washington", he wins in a landslide every election with 20%+ GOP support in his state, he is absolutely crushing with Independents in the polls and the two just completed elections. People on both sides want to cut the crap with the legalized bribery that has become our government.
Honesty and integrity cross over well, especially in a year when the torches and pitchforks come out like 2016.
LW1977
(1,236 posts)If the Republicans want to bring up Benghazi when/if she's President, I'd say bring it! They will only be helping her!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Sorry about your Vikes, I was rooting for them XD
Skinner
(63,645 posts)They aren't going to be nice to Hillary, and they aren't going to be nice to Bernie either. Anyone who claims otherwise is completely wrong.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Want an eye opening experience? Check this out https://www.facebook.com/republicansforbernie/
It seems the Ike wing is back and never did go away. I'll take them!
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Bernie speaking at Liberty U.
But ya I do agree with you.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)and came out of it with Sauron's respect. The day Hillary manages that, I'll eat my hat. Until then, I wear a red star on mulatto skin.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Are these the same Republicans who have been calling him a commie?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Wouldn't it be just awful for conservative to keep looking like fools and progressives keep looking like the adults in the room.
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pinebox
(5,761 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)not a stellar record
(congratulations, not many here would rely on John McCain quotes to substantiate their positions)
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Because Bernie's legislative record is far superior.
https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/what-bernie-sanders-got-done-in-washington-a-legislative-inventory/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/01/1407839/-Bernie-s-legislative-record
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
It's hilarious you Hillary supporters act as though he's done nothing yet he's done MORE than your candidate including showing integrity and not constantly lying about God knows what today. Follow the Clinton's and controversy follow. How many are dead indirectly as a result of Hillary? She's never met a war she doesn't like.
McCain? The guy who is revered as being the go to guy for vets? Yeah, on vet issues, I will. Just like how he slammed the GOP for cutting bills which benefit them. Problem with that?
You can't ignore it - 1 meaningful bill in 25 years - could not garner support for his bills even with D's in power
pinebox
(5,761 posts)who did arms deals to Saudi Arabia? Ya she did that lol You're right!
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals
I can't deny it? You should read. Bernie is called the Amendment King. Again, what has Hillary done?
Meanwhile...things like this.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)We're still waiting.
What has Hillary done on her own?
JudyM
(29,277 posts)I had only seen the alternet one before.
Sending you a little valentines love for this; your level of focus is helpful to the rest of us
amborin
(16,631 posts)Jet?
Hillary has such scary bad judgement it is beyond words.
Hillary called for the bombing of Libya and the result is chaos and a stronger ISIS.
Libya had turned to the West and had renounced nuclear weapons.
So----the fact she called for regime change and bombing means that the US does not honor its nuclear agreements.
Next step: Bomb Iran. She is capable of this since she sides with the Saudis
Look how she is mute on the Saudi use of cluster munitions and bombings in Yemen that are killing 10000s of innocent
civilians and killing the Houthis who are fighting Al Queda.
Madness!
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)I won't vote for someone I wouldn't willingly give my life for. I don't believe she understands what sending people to die for country really means, given her foreign policy record. If we go to war again under her, I don't believe it will be a war in defense of our Constitution. If we go to war again under her, I don't believe it will be for defending our allies. And I certainly don't believe that if we go to war under her again, it won't result in either the end of the world, or the forwarding of the tired tripe about American Exceptionalism.
I raised my hand and swore an oath to protect the United States, and the Constitution. I do not believe she stands for either, and as such, I can't vote for her.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)Soooooooooo tell us, how is that border fence coming along that Hillary voted for? How about calling for children to be deported?
How is that whole sniper fire thing? Did she ever get around to purchasing that flack jacket?
Yup, I'm naive lol
You're deaf. Take these out.
dsc
(52,166 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)You can't actually govern reasonably and consistently and even reach across the isle without gaining their ire?
What is this! I thought the GOP were reasonable!
gollygee
(22,336 posts)bigtree
(86,005 posts)...working to advantage your candidate with republican attacks.
Republicans are promoting Sanders over Hillary, spending money opposing her in this primary, because they're anticipating an easier contest against the Vermont senator.
Bernie has unilateral support. Hillary has only Democrats. Period.
Bernie was elected with the help of Republicans in VT, you are aware of this right?
Sorry but it's an easier contest against Hillary. They have an absolute artillery of crap they can throw at her and can you imagine for a second a nominee who is under an FBI investigation? Tell us, what do they have to throw at Bernie? What? "Socialist"? The same thing they've been throwing at Obama. That is IT. Hillary? More controversy than you can imagine and she ensures the GOP base will turn out.
That equals a Republican White House win.
You may not want to admit that but if you think for one second that a Hillary won't ensure a massive Republican turnout, you're incredibly mistaken.
Polls show her losing in a GE.