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ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:53 PM Feb 2016

The Whiteness of Bernie Sanders' Supporters

Senator Bernie Sanders has staged an impressive insurgency so far against the Democratic party's presumed choice for its presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton. In some ways, he's following a similar path that Barack Obama forged against Clinton eight years ago, inviting numerous comparisons. But the coalition backing Sanders differs from the one that backed Obama in important ways.

To compare the two, I have looked at a recent survey by Public Policy Polling among likely Democratic primary voters across the nation. I have also examined an Economist/YouGov/Polimetrix poll conducted in late January 2008, a similar point in that cycle. There are some similarities in the races at these two times. In the recent poll, Clinton maintained a healthy overall national lead over Sanders, 53–32. At that point in 2008, Clinton led Obama 43–35, with John Edwards still pulling 16 percent. So although these are different polls from different polling organizations and different races using different methodologies, the insurgent candidates were at pretty similar levels of public support.

(It may be inappropriate to refer to Obama as an insurgent in 2008. Even though party insiders leaned toward Clinton early in that cycle, he had the backing of many prominent leaders, including Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy, and a number of prominent party insiders had simply held back and backed no one until after the Iowa Caucus. Sanders, by contrast, has gotten by with virtually no support from the party's leadership, even post-Iowa.)

If we break down the candidates' support by various demographic subgroups, we see some rather interesting similarities and distinctions:


A lot more at http://www.psmag.com/politics-and-law/the-whiteness-of-bernie-sanders-supporters
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The Whiteness of Bernie Sanders' Supporters (Original Post) ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 OP
Predictably Spreading Establishment FUD cantbeserious Feb 2016 #1
You mean Spreading facts? Empowerer Feb 2016 #2
No - Spreading FUD cantbeserious Feb 2016 #6
Alrighty . . . Empowerer Feb 2016 #8
she said Nevada is 80 percent white and roguevalley Feb 2016 #9
yep, I heard now Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #3
What kind of people stare facts they don't like in the face which and call them lies? CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #81
Gang Clinton is getting desperate nichomachus Feb 2016 #4
You know, a title like this just make it look like you're trying to stir shit EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #5
I think you're right noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #10
I copied the title of the article. Please don't shoot the messenger. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #11
Are you serious? Empowerer Feb 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author SheenaR Feb 2016 #24
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #89
... beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #7
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Can you elaborate? nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #13
I think you know exactly GP6971 Feb 2016 #18
I really don't. Can you help explain it to me? nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #19
Slinging mud. n/t GP6971 Feb 2016 #20
I've had a few mud fights when I was a kid. It wasn't pretty. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #21
No they weren't GP6971 Feb 2016 #23
Propaganda. Catapult. Must. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #26
Yes, according to bush* one must catipult the propaganda angstlessk Feb 2016 #36
They have a narrative to push and won't deviate from it. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #75
That old rock just won't stay up there angstlessk Feb 2016 #79
We Hispanics are but a footnote in this article ... and this discussion. eom. Bad Thoughts Feb 2016 #12
I expect he'll do better than Alison Lundgren Grimes ucrdem Feb 2016 #14
ALG was a terrible campaigner bravenak Feb 2016 #28
Oh dear. GuardianOne Feb 2016 #15
That isn't a bad thing, but it is a reality that Sanders realizes KingFlorez Feb 2016 #16
So there are now only two groups of voters, white or black? kiva Feb 2016 #22
I just posted an article on Asian Americans in Nevada. Here's the link ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #33
Thanks for the link, kiva Feb 2016 #42
Dupe. nt kiva Feb 2016 #25
Oh. How interesting. bravenak Feb 2016 #27
Native Americans anyone? NOT GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE !! Hiraeth Feb 2016 #29
Just flat-out race baiting now. [nt] Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #30
Are you calling me a race baiter? nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #32
You're talking about race without permission, therefore, you are race baiting Empowerer Feb 2016 #37
If the shoe fits Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #38
Are you one? [nt] Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #40
What do you think? nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #43
Well, I wouldn't want to "offend" you Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #47
Can you just be straight with me? I feel like your are skirting the issue. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #49
Alas, the times being what they are around here... Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #50
I'll take it as a compliment. I think you agree with me on sharing information with people. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #58
That is, of course, your prerogative. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #61
Bringing up race without permission = race baiting Empowerer Feb 2016 #65
+1!!!!! betsuni Feb 2016 #70
If I told you I was PoC, would that change your opinion. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #74
Psst! S/He came in on your side! Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #78
I feel so ashamed :(. I am sorry. My bad! nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #85
Ah, the Clinton folk. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #76
You are not one though bravenak Feb 2016 #41
Ty. You are a good person. All these personal attacks against me because I am posting articles. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #46
I do not understand why your posting is deemed offensive. nothing wrong with posting.nt bravenak Feb 2016 #48
Noooo, surely not. [nt] Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #51
I know. I said it first. bravenak Feb 2016 #52
But I said it better. ;-) Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #57
You win!! bravenak Feb 2016 #64
Oh, in a thread like this we all do. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #67
Serio bravenak Feb 2016 #69
This again? d_legendary1 Feb 2016 #31
If I were to post an article title "the blackness of Hillary Clinton supporters", JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #34
There have been endless posts and discussion about black voters Empowerer Feb 2016 #39
No I get discomfited when I see pathetic identity politics in play. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #44
+1 bravenak Feb 2016 #56
My everlasting thanks? bravenak Feb 2016 #53
Well then, I may just try one of these days...the results should be interesting. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #59
Oh yeah. Plus hilarious. bravenak Feb 2016 #63
You'd think this race is all about race. thereismore Feb 2016 #35
Team Hill is working overtime to make it be n/t Hydra Feb 2016 #60
It's how they roll. Bill is losing all his inhibitions now. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #73
More worn out recycled nonsense AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #45
The Desperation of Hillary supporters AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #54
The Disgusting Race Baiterness Of Hillary Clinton Supporters. n/t tazkcmo Feb 2016 #55
More than anything, this gives the impression of Clinton supporters using POC as props and cudgels Matariki Feb 2016 #62
They must have heard that AA millenials are starting to question. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #80
Or perhaps, POC are thinking for ourselves and expressing our own reasoned opinions Empowerer Feb 2016 #84
Yes. Thank you. Matariki Feb 2016 #91
Uh oh. You posted an article saying there are white people in America. Where's the alert? betsuni Feb 2016 #66
Shhh! Don't say "white" people - that's race-baiting Empowerer Feb 2016 #71
omgomg I accidentally captipulted the propaganda race cards. My bad! (nt) betsuni Feb 2016 #77
Jury's in Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #68
No sooner are the words "where's the alert?" typed by my fingers, the alert results appear! betsuni Feb 2016 #83
It was a 1-6 Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #87
You have a good heart. Thank you. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #88
What difference does it make? FFS! Every single day there is a thread or 5 about the color of voters jillan Feb 2016 #72
Because Team Hill apparently thinks this is some sort of winning tactic Hydra Feb 2016 #82
Hillary seems to always do really well among constituencies that haven't voted yet. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #86
Could someone tell me why so many comments blame Hillary or her supporters for betsuni Feb 2016 #90

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
9. she said Nevada is 80 percent white and
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:59 PM
Feb 2016

That will be her lie when she loses there. 45+ % are monorities.

She exhales lies.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
4. Gang Clinton is getting desperate
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

It's very unbecoming. Hillary is going to seriously wound the party and downticket candidated.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
5. You know, a title like this just make it look like you're trying to stir shit
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

You might find a more receptive audience with a less inflammatory post title.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
17. Are you serious?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:24 PM
Feb 2016

Countless threads are led here with OPs referring to "blacks," "African Americans," "People of Color" and how they're voting in the primaries - but refer to how white people are voting and it's inflammatory.

Because white folks are just "people," you know, so why are you singling them out by race?

Response to Empowerer (Reply #17)

 

GuardianOne

(27 posts)
15. Oh dear.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:13 PM
Feb 2016

I see people are having spelling difficulties.
That was supposed to be The Rightness of Bernie Sanders Supporters.
Like me.
There you go.
You're welcome.
Bernie 💖 Love

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
16. That isn't a bad thing, but it is a reality that Sanders realizes
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:22 PM
Feb 2016

I've read that his Super Tuesday targets are the most white states that vote on the day.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
22. So there are now only two groups of voters, white or black?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:35 PM
Feb 2016

Seriously? No Hispanics or Asian-Americans? So are Japanese Americans white or black? How about Mexican Americans? Asian/Pacific Islanders?

This changes everything!

kiva

(4,373 posts)
42. Thanks for the link,
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

a lot of people don't realize the number of Asian Americans living here.

However I still think the article in your OP is lame, it only looks at black and whites - given the growing number of other groups in the U.S., I think that's a short sighted view.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
47. Well, I wouldn't want to "offend" you
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

People do so often get "offended" when called out for such sickening tactics. So I'll just say that posting this article seems like the act of a race baiter, and that if you are not such then you would do well to remove it. And I'll let others judge by your actions exactly what you are.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
50. Alas, the times being what they are around here...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:04 AM
Feb 2016

When I tell people exactly what I think of them, more often than not it gets a hide. But I think from subtext you can figure it out.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
65. Bringing up race without permission = race baiting
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:15 AM
Feb 2016

Pointing out a racial dynamic = playing the race card
Pointing out that a white person could be more sensitive on race issues = accusing the white person of being racist
Black people talking about race in a way that makes white people uncomfortable = black people are racially divisive
White people talking about race in a way that makes black people uncomfortable = black people are overly-sensitive

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
34. If I were to post an article title "the blackness of Hillary Clinton supporters",
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:52 PM
Feb 2016

what kind of response do you suppose that I would get?

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
39. There have been endless posts and discussion about black voters
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:54 PM
Feb 2016

The discomfort about discussing the race of voters seems to occur only when the whiteness of voters is discussed.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
44. No I get discomfited when I see pathetic identity politics in play.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:58 PM
Feb 2016

As if a candidate should somehow be shamed for the supporters they do have, as if that means they themselves are not strong supporters of multiculturalism or racists. Because that is what the unfortunate subtext is.

See also my post here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511244075#post3

It's not just white/black (though that is the subtext here) -- it's the idea that you win by appealing or pandering to each individual minority or demographic rather than a broad message to the American people.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
62. More than anything, this gives the impression of Clinton supporters using POC as props and cudgels
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:12 AM
Feb 2016

Not the impression that you actually care about the issues affecting non-whites in this country.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
80. They must have heard that AA millenials are starting to question.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:23 AM
Feb 2016

Quick! Foster a sense of grievance to get them to close ranks!

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
91. Yes. Thank you.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:22 AM
Feb 2016

So much of this, and I mean from both sides, comes off as pandering, taking votes for granted, and speaking for whole groups of people. It's important to consider the issues of different communities, and most important to listen to those communities who know best what they need, but it often devolves into mere political posturing.

betsuni

(25,638 posts)
66. Uh oh. You posted an article saying there are white people in America. Where's the alert?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:15 AM
Feb 2016

Waiting for the alert.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
71. Shhh! Don't say "white" people - that's race-baiting
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

People who aren't black, brown, yellow or red are just PEOPLE. You can't refer to them as white people because that would be divisive . . .

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
68. Jury's in
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

FWIW, I was #2

On Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

The Whiteness of Bernie Sanders' Supporters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511243718

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

ProudToBeLiberal is on a rapid fire flame bait train. This is just one in a series of posts meant to incite flame wars. It's just way too obvious and it makes DU suck.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:15 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Look, I'm a Bernie supporter but I feel like this stuff is out there and it needs to be attacked so we should leave it. Sunshine is good bleach.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think the OP is patently untrue and reflects some really crappy tactics by supporters of other candidates. That said, I can't hide this. Even as a Sanders supporter (contrary to the prevailing opinion about Sanders supporters on juries on DU these days).
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betsuni

(25,638 posts)
83. No sooner are the words "where's the alert?" typed by my fingers, the alert results appear!
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:28 AM
Feb 2016

Like magic, a white rabbit out of a hat. OH NO! I can't stop saying "white"!

jillan

(39,451 posts)
72. What difference does it make? FFS! Every single day there is a thread or 5 about the color of voters
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

Can we move past this?

Stop putting people in different boxes because of the color of their skin!

We didn't do this in 2008 - why are we doing this now?

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
82. Because Team Hill apparently thinks this is some sort of winning tactic
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:25 AM
Feb 2016

I've never heard the topic of which group should believe and vote for _____ brought up so often and with such tone-deafness.

I've kinda forgotten how many different ways you can split up a bunch of humans, but apparently Team Hill and most any Republican can give you a thorough lesson in just a few sentences.

betsuni

(25,638 posts)
90. Could someone tell me why so many comments blame Hillary or her supporters for
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:04 AM
Feb 2016

this article? It's a news article.

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