2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Whiteness of Bernie Sanders' Supporters
To compare the two, I have looked at a recent survey by Public Policy Polling among likely Democratic primary voters across the nation. I have also examined an Economist/YouGov/Polimetrix poll conducted in late January 2008, a similar point in that cycle. There are some similarities in the races at these two times. In the recent poll, Clinton maintained a healthy overall national lead over Sanders, 5332. At that point in 2008, Clinton led Obama 4335, with John Edwards still pulling 16 percent. So although these are different polls from different polling organizations and different races using different methodologies, the insurgent candidates were at pretty similar levels of public support.
(It may be inappropriate to refer to Obama as an insurgent in 2008. Even though party insiders leaned toward Clinton early in that cycle, he had the backing of many prominent leaders, including Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy, and a number of prominent party insiders had simply held back and backed no one until after the Iowa Caucus. Sanders, by contrast, has gotten by with virtually no support from the party's leadership, even post-Iowa.)
If we break down the candidates' support by various demographic subgroups, we see some rather interesting similarities and distinctions:
A lot more at http://www.psmag.com/politics-and-law/the-whiteness-of-bernie-sanders-supporters
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Because that's what the OP is...
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)That will be her lie when she loses there. 45+ % are monorities.
She exhales lies.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Hillary said Arizona is now white. That kind of pissed off Harry
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)It's very unbecoming. Hillary is going to seriously wound the party and downticket candidated.
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)You might find a more receptive audience with a less inflammatory post title.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)You should see the other threads that were started by this poster. Check out the church one.
Here's the link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1237051
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Countless threads are led here with OPs referring to "blacks," "African Americans," "People of Color" and how they're voting in the primaries - but refer to how white people are voting and it's inflammatory.
Because white folks are just "people," you know, so why are you singling them out by race?
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)GP6971
(31,213 posts)what they are saying.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)GP6971
(31,213 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)GP6971
(31,213 posts)But they were fun!!!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Sisyphus would admire their dedication.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)willit?
Gosh I love liberals!
Bad Thoughts
(2,531 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)but not by much.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Ran from Obama and democrats imo
GuardianOne
(27 posts)I see people are having spelling difficulties.
That was supposed to be The Rightness of Bernie Sanders Supporters.
Like me.
There you go.
You're welcome.
Bernie 💖 Love
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)I've read that his Super Tuesday targets are the most white states that vote on the day.
kiva
(4,373 posts)Seriously? No Hispanics or Asian-Americans? So are Japanese Americans white or black? How about Mexican Americans? Asian/Pacific Islanders?
This changes everything!
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)a lot of people don't realize the number of Asian Americans living here.
However I still think the article in your OP is lame, it only looks at black and whites - given the growing number of other groups in the U.S., I think that's a short sighted view.
kiva
(4,373 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I noticed
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)In your case, it looks like a perfect match
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)People do so often get "offended" when called out for such sickening tactics. So I'll just say that posting this article seems like the act of a race baiter, and that if you are not such then you would do well to remove it. And I'll let others judge by your actions exactly what you are.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)When I tell people exactly what I think of them, more often than not it gets a hide. But I think from subtext you can figure it out.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Pointing out a racial dynamic = playing the race card
Pointing out that a white person could be more sensitive on race issues = accusing the white person of being racist
Black people talking about race in a way that makes white people uncomfortable = black people are racially divisive
White people talking about race in a way that makes black people uncomfortable = black people are overly-sensitive
betsuni
(25,638 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Oh man, another friendly-fire incident. Always tragic to see.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)If it ain't about race, make it about race.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)It's all in the inflection, you know.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)what kind of response do you suppose that I would get?
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)The discomfort about discussing the race of voters seems to occur only when the whiteness of voters is discussed.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)As if a candidate should somehow be shamed for the supporters they do have, as if that means they themselves are not strong supporters of multiculturalism or racists. Because that is what the unfortunate subtext is.
See also my post here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511244075#post3
It's not just white/black (though that is the subtext here) -- it's the idea that you win by appealing or pandering to each individual minority or demographic rather than a broad message to the American people.
Very sensitive these days
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cause I would jump in to defend yr honor like stank on doo doo.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)It isn't.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)Not the impression that you actually care about the issues affecting non-whites in this country.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Quick! Foster a sense of grievance to get them to close ranks!
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)So much of this, and I mean from both sides, comes off as pandering, taking votes for granted, and speaking for whole groups of people. It's important to consider the issues of different communities, and most important to listen to those communities who know best what they need, but it often devolves into mere political posturing.
betsuni
(25,638 posts)Waiting for the alert.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)People who aren't black, brown, yellow or red are just PEOPLE. You can't refer to them as white people because that would be divisive . . .
betsuni
(25,638 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)FWIW, I was #2
The Whiteness of Bernie Sanders' Supporters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511243718
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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ProudToBeLiberal is on a rapid fire flame bait train. This is just one in a series of posts meant to incite flame wars. It's just way too obvious and it makes DU suck.
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Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Look, I'm a Bernie supporter but I feel like this stuff is out there and it needs to be attacked so we should leave it. Sunshine is good bleach.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think the OP is patently untrue and reflects some really crappy tactics by supporters of other candidates. That said, I can't hide this. Even as a Sanders supporter (contrary to the prevailing opinion about Sanders supporters on juries on DU these days).
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betsuni
(25,638 posts)Like magic, a white rabbit out of a hat. OH NO! I can't stop saying "white"!
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)And the two who left comments were Sanders supporters. So there's that.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Can we move past this?
Stop putting people in different boxes because of the color of their skin!
We didn't do this in 2008 - why are we doing this now?
Hydra
(14,459 posts)I've never heard the topic of which group should believe and vote for _____ brought up so often and with such tone-deafness.
I've kinda forgotten how many different ways you can split up a bunch of humans, but apparently Team Hill and most any Republican can give you a thorough lesson in just a few sentences.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)betsuni
(25,638 posts)this article? It's a news article.