2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt is time for Bernie to show us how it is done
Bernie best supporters have been telling us that despite all of our doubts, Bernie Sanders will actually be able to implement the progressive programs on his his to do list once he is elected President. Everyone seems to agree that this will be difficult because all of those program will have to be implemented over the strenuous objections of Republicans in Congress, but many people on DU believe he can get it done.
Okay, let's put that trust to the test. President Obama will be nominating a replacement for the Supreme Court vacancy and the Republican Senators are promising to delay confirmation for a year until the next President takes office. The Senate is Bernie home. It is where has worked for 10 years. The Republican Senators in opposition to confirming Obama nominee are all Bernie's colleagues.
Let's see if Bernie can convince his Republican friends in the Senate to give the President's choice a fair hearing and fair up or down vote. Compared to enacting his controversial programs this should be easy for Bernie. After all, President Obama is likely to nominate a very qualified person who has recently been vetted by the Senate for another position by an overwhelming majority of Senate votes. Surely it will be easy for Bernie to convince Republican Senators confirm such a nominee. That should be an easy task for someone of Bernie's extraordinary communication and persuasive skills. And in in the past he has exhibited amazing people skills when dealing with his Senate peers.
If Bernie is as good as my feller DU'er say he is, the new Supreme Court Justice should be taking his/her place on the highest bench in a couple of months or so.
Go get 'em Bernie!!! Get 'er done!!!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)But, but....
Aerows
(39,961 posts)What do you eat on Monday?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)That's not deflecting, that's calling you out for using a moniker that you do not understand.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I think that is exactly what I asked you - your rations on Monday.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)fried eggs
(910 posts)we are in a constitutional crisis! The party of NO has decided that they will not confirm a replacement during Obama's term. Revolution might be the only hope, and it's a great opportunity for Bernie to lead and show what his coalition can do.
jfern
(5,204 posts)fried eggs
(910 posts)I've been following the news and everyone agrees that Obama's nominees are not likely to be confirmed. This provides an opening for Bernie and Hillary, though she's not the one promising a revolution.
jfern
(5,204 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)When they made Bernie they broke the mold. Not many well know Socialists in the wings.
jfern
(5,204 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)and the Revolution is going to need anther leader soon if it is ultimately going to get anything done. Trump has some similarities; maybe he can fill in temporarily.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)"Cajun" credentials to "voodoo" us all into ignoring her ethical issues, the fact that the Clinton Foundation took in large amounts of donations from foreign countries in weapons deals while she was Secretary of State ...
Oh wait. That one just stopped me at the curb.
That will get played 24/7 against a Republican candidate. They aren't using it now, because that is the big ole cannon in the dark.
jfern
(5,204 posts)to do today.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She needs all the help she can get and all they're doing is posting the same tired memes over and over again.
If they're so concerned shouldn't they be doing something to help?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)He's so damn bland, the family has to be forcing him to run.
I know this is a side note, but seriously, I have never seen a less enthusiastic candidate than Jeb "Please clap" Bush.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Lucky for us Bernie doesn't have that problem.
It's easy to see why Hillary supporters are so jealous of our enthusiasm, this is just the latest attempt to drown us out by carpet bombing this forum.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Standing by, wringing their hands, slandering the ambulance when the Jaws of Life are clearly needed to extract the people in the wreck is about the best that Hillary's supporters, lately, can do.
Well, and they can complain that it is taking to long for the emergency team to arrive, do so vocally.
Meanwhile, some folks in the crowd offer water, blankets and kind words to the people that are trapped.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They really must think they can do it without us if Hillary wins the nomination.
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Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Seriously has anyone been keeping track?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Nobody is that dense
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But they sure are trying awfully hard to convince us.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)that the Revolution is inevitable, the Bernie can do the near impossible, and you almost have me believing it. This is not much to ask of a person of Bernie's great abilities.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Yes we should do a lot.
There is no difference between the candidates on this issue.
We got your point but the several multiple threads on the same topic is starting to seem excessive.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)is that Hillary Clinton is not who a vast number of people choose to vote for. They chose Sanders to a near tie in Iowa, and they blew her out of the park in NH.
I think you are about to get your wish - the Revolution is inevitable, and Hillary is not going to lead it.
We wake up in the morning, go about our day, and we discuss Bernie at the dry cleaners. We discuss Bernie while we are getting an oil change. We discuss Bernie while getting our groceries checked out - normal things that encompass the life of most Americans.
That is why he is gaining momentum.
I relate to Bernie, and so does most of the electorate. They don't even have to like him, either, just relate to him and that garners votes from Independents and *shock* Republicans, too.
If anybody should quit, it should be Hillary. She's running against a fellow Democrat that has Democrats energized, Independents voting for him because he takes an unequivocal stand, and a trickle of Republicans so far that would vote for Hillary Clinton if she offered a kidney - and paid for the transplant with her SuperPAC.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)and Bernie Sanders is our candidate, will you vote for him?
SunSeeker
(51,715 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)not with anything substantive at all.
It is in Bernie's interests to get a liberal justice, too, if he thinks he is going to win.
But Bernie is powerless because he's not President! No, he can't! Only the President has power.
fried eggs
(910 posts)I really want to like Sanders but the more he shifts responsibility and blame, the more I think he's full of...
jfern
(5,204 posts)How the hell is that Bernie's fault? He's not in the state government.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)...like Bernie who can control the Senate Republicans with the force of his will alone. It time for a taste of the Revolution to come. Bring it on Bernie!
Yavin4
(35,446 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)... get in bed with him on the single payer health care plan.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)Except I'm one of those "libertarian berniebro's" who believe in freedom of speech.
So go for it, Blazer. Go for that prize.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)But I guess its okay if you guys use it.
delrem
(9,688 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)It will also become clearer to you why Bernie's supporters are infectiously enthusiastic.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)But given the problems in his biography and 3 bills passed after 25 years in Congress (2 naming a post office in Vermont), is it enough?
I don't doubt his momentum, and I admire Bernie for his decades' long commitment to his causes, but is it enough?
pacalo
(24,721 posts)trying to enlighten people about what's been going on. He's got a lot of virtues that would make him a good president. He's one of just a few politicians, imo, that went into public service for all the right reasons.
Bernie could be our once-in-a-lifetime chance to have an FDR of our own. If we don't try, then shame on us; we've got a golden opportunity right in front of us.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)He blew the inevitable out of the race with a 20+% absolutely, positively rock solid win.
Bernie Sanders in Iowa was so close you could starve a fly on the margin.
I think you folks are getting a bit nervous. I've seen everything under the sun thrown at him, much like it was thrown at President Obama.
Does that name ring a bell, President Obama? He was absolutely not able to win for a long time ... until he did.
It's rather annoying that you call yourself a Cajun.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)In a neighboring state with demographics that do not reflect the rest of the country. Certainly not a substantial test of leadership.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)by that logic I guess he should win NY and Mass as well considering they also border VT, right? XD
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)His name escapes me now, but I know he's married to some Republican political consultant named Mary Matalin.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Many people have mistaken me for James Carville.
In fact I had a man come up to me while I was waiting for a plane in Atlanta's airport and asked me, "Are you going to be here for a few minutes?" I was puzzled because I didn't know the guy, but I said, "Yes". Before I could say anything else he ran off. A few minutes later he came back huffing and puffing with a brand new copy of the book, "All's Fair". When he handed to me with a sharpie saying "I wish your wife was here so she could sign it too", it became all too clear. I handed the book back to him saying, "I hope you kept your receipt".
True story. But I think I am much better looking than Carville
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Wouldn't know boudoin if it was fried up in balls and served with coffee in the morning.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)It looks yummy
Aerows
(39,961 posts)You can get it through the donut drive through in Breaux Bridge. Instead of asking for donuts, you just ask for fried Boudoin balls and they make them. Yummy breakfast, and you can sip some dang fine coffee while they are frying them. It only takes about two minutes, though, so it isn't inconvenient for the person in the car behind you.
They are probably ordering them, too
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)There's no rush, the court is more liberal than it was without Scalia and there is no Constitutionally set number of Justices and indeed the court has had both more and fewer members in the past.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)A 4-4 tie in the court poses big problems.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Someone checked their email first
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)With no supporting links, using similar wording. Makes it appear they got orders from above.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and doesn't know what you eat on Monday.
Use similar wording, have absolutely nothing off the script, and impersonate the worst "I'm a Southern Cajun Person" worse than anyone I've ever seen.
Who on earth were they trying to convince? Sensible people obviously were not on the agenda.
fried eggs
(910 posts)to save the day. Why are you so surprised that people are looking at the revolutionary in the room to stop republicans from blocking Obama's Supreme Court nominee? Who else should we look to in a situation like this?
aspirant
(3,533 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Another thread to throw into the can.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)She couldn't convince the American people in 2008 and was a loser
She tried to convince Congress with the power of Bill as President to pass Healthcare reform and was a loser again
She is now anti-TPP and we are patiently waiting for her and Bill to walk the Halls of Congress drumming up "No" votes
From her loses and disappointments has she given up the SCOTUS fight and is now looking to Bernie for the answer because she has none?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Senators and Representatives to do anything.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)And Bernie has worked with the Senate Republicans a lot longer, surely his supporters like you have all the faith in the world that he can get this criticalf job done. It should be easy for a man of his talents. Don't you have faith in Bernie.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I think he will be a fantastic President.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)or is this just plain *sad*? Damn.
This poor person couldn't pull off a pig in a poke if there was an *actual* pig inside.
smh
aspirant
(3,533 posts)CajunBlazer
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Autumn
(45,120 posts)Personally I have all the faith in the world that he can do the things that I consider important. I have all the faith in the world that Obama can take care of this supreme court matter and cement his own legacy.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Astoundingly they maintain their faith unperturbed even in the face of indications and even solid evidence to the contrary. Such people have often been called, "True Believers".
Check out the book: The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements by Eric Hoffer. The was published back in 1951 (I read it for a class in college), but it still considered one of the most important books on the physiology mass movements.
To me, Bernie's revolution is getting to look more like a mass movement everyday. You might want to check out the book.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Either way I don't care I'm bored with this game and trashing the thread . Bye
Hekate
(90,827 posts)He'll be like the Tasmanian Devil! What a brilliant and inspirational idea!
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)so we can finally find out what she really is "The Champion" of.
californiabernin
(421 posts)Not me!
dchill
(38,539 posts)Bernie is NOT president. Yet.
Neither is HRC, so now is not the time.
Barack Obama is the president until next year.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)Mr. Sanders, Vermont independent, said the nation wants a full contingent on the high court and that Senate Republicans should drop their plans to stave off any nomination until a new president is in place.
Lets get on with that business, Mr. Sanders told Fox News Sunday.
From: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/14/bernie-sanders-vermont-senator-hits-gop-plans-to-s/
The Washington Times. Where they called him an "upstart". That's funny.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)As i suspect you know.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Effective Senators do far more than just introduce bills and vote of them along with Presidential appointments. Heck, it that was all they did their sessions would only need to last one week a year. No, effective Senators are always working on the Senate floor and in background with their colleagues to get what they want done. This is what Bernie will have to do as President to get his programs passed in a Congress where the Republicans will at least control the House, along with running the country of course, so let's see what he can do now with this important issue.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)This is Obama's job, not Bernie's. And how do you or anyone else know what background work Bernie might be doing? You are making assumptions because he isn't running off at the mouth about it like your candidate, who, by the way, has no vote on it. Bernie does.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Gothmog
(145,567 posts)If Sanders has some how mobilized millions and millions of voters who will be able to force the GOP to (1) adopt a $15 per hour minimum wage, (ii) a single payer health care system and (iii) increase taxes on the 1%, then it should be a simple matter for Sanders to get President Obama's nominee approved.
If the Sanders revolution is not up to this simple task, then how will the Sanders revolution accomplish anything if Sander is elected?
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)If you don't know what he plans to do, you aren't really listening to him.
Your concern is noted, though.