let us not forget what the "polls" told us leading up to New Hampshire and Iowa.

Iowa was "in the bag for Hillary"

New Hampshire "Had Hillary only losing by single digits"

But hey! let's all just take the Polls on face value, better yet, let's just suspend the Primary or Caucus and anoint Hillary

All other demographics N/A. See link in my response #16

Two things

A) 40% of the "DEMS" are undecided and

B) There weren't any Independent voters polled by CNN

I capitalize "dems" in "A" to point out that the survey is "Dems" landlines and they have to have been surveyed in Oct 2015.

Oct 2015 was whole nuther planet than what it is today. Iowa changed everything

So if they were wrong there, it's possible that they are too favorable to him in South Carolina. Probably not likely, but it's definitely possible.

with at least 4% margin.

The pollsters doesn't even know what the fuck they are polling for.

How'd that work out?

Bernie was beating Hillary by a good amount in New Hampshire for quite some time.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Post whatever makes you feel better. I certainly don't have a problem with it.

Which is certainly possible if he has a win in Nevada. SC is one of Clinton's most favorable states.

Three weeks out, Hillary was ahead by an average of 12 in Iowa. In the end it was tied.

The final polling for NH had Bernie up 13, he won by 22.

It's certainly in the realm of possible, actually quite likely, that the race ends up in single digits.

Photo-Gate is heating up

"Bring them to Heel" is starting to resonate...

Let's have fun watching this one "surprise" MSNBC/CNN/Faux

Bernie's got the Big Mo!

a YUUGE % are still deciding..

Bernie still has over a week to reach these folks, and I'm guessing he's going
to close the remaining gap significantly, if not altogether.

Go to page 33 of the survey - all the #'s are taken from women over 50 living in the sub burbs. All other demographics are listed as N/A. Weird.

In SC

But Bernie wins the rest..

In other words, Bernie wins South Carolina.

Being down by 18% is not good for Sanders, no matter how much he was down before. He's not going win there.

as floppyboo pointed out up-thread, the poll's only significant sample is of women over 50.

If Hillary can beat Sanders by only 18% IN HER BASE, then she's in trouble deep. If Sanders gts with single digits it would be amazing.

So the unskewing argument is pretty weak. Clinton lost South Carolina by nearly 30% in 2008, so this is a great showing. Sanders is still getting crushed with blacks, but leading with whites, so each candidate is carrying their base voters.

if you have to screw with the methodology to keep results consistent, your poll has as much real value as a Magic 8 Ball.

This is what Romney did in 2012 and he ended up losing. Not every poll is rigged or inaccurate because your guy is trailing.

The polling in Iowa was all over the place and a caucus is much harder to poll than a primary. Plus, South Carolina is a lot less white and liberal than Iowa, so the electorate is not comparable.

but the IA poll averages showed her winning by 4%. They tied.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-3195.html

In NH, the polls showed Bernie winning by 13. He won by 22.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html

Tell me how this conversation is supposed to make me trust the polling?

If you think the polls are rigged, you are entitled to believe that. I won't argue about it anymore, because it's pointless.

you're entitled to your opinion

Bernie is up 20-30 across the board since October. There is also a %40 of those asked to be in the "still undecided" camp. She may very well win SC, but I dont think its going to be homerun out of the park win. If I am wrong, Ill come back and sat so.

Bernie wins. Watch and weep.

If you are drinking the Mitt Romney/Dean Chambers/Unskewed Polls punch, you are going to be the one weeping. There have been two other polls that have suggested similar margins, so it's hard to call this one fake.

Not nearly as high as it used to be and the ARG poll is clearly the outlier. HOWEVER, that's still too big of a lead. It could dip to a 15-point lead if Sanders wins NV, but I still expect a loss here.

I expect Bernie to surprise the M$M when he captures South Carolina.

8-9 point, max.

Literal loss, momentous victory.

in SC. Interesting times, keep working hard Bernie peeps.

Sanders will likely close a bit more before the primary, and has been doing better on votes than polls by several points due to youth turnout. It looks like my prediction of him getting the margin into single digits is accurate. A loss, but the comeback will highlight the fragility of the 'firewall'....it doesn't appear to be rock solid.

It's really not that big a deal in a state where he is supposed to be absolutely trounced by a 30-40% margin predicted by some Hillary supporters. I think Hillary does need to win by that much and she won't.

That's just not going to happen.