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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:17 PM Feb 2016

Clinton Campaign Is Having a Panic Attack in Nevada and South Carolina

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This is hardly the first time it has looked as if Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential ambitions were on the ropes, and each time she has found a way to bounce back. But as she heads into critical Democratic primary contests in Nevada and South Carolina, the former Secretary of State’s campaign seems to be reeling.

After the 22-point shellacking administered by Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in New Hampshire last week and her squeaker of a win in the Iowa Democratic caucuses the week before, Clinton has been counting on a couple of solid performances in the Nevada caucuses on Saturday and the South Carolina primary a week later to demonstrate her appeal in more racially and ethnically diverse terrain.

But as hard as she tries to portray Sanders as a Johnny One Note on income inequality and the evils of Wall Street, with little appeal beyond college campuses and progressive strongholds, he continues to confound her with shrewd tactics, mass rallies, aggressive and well-staffed ground operations and a gold-plated media campaign — all thanks to unprecedented grassroots fundraising.

Clinton’s one-time air of invincibility has given way to pangs of desperation and lowered expectations of how well she will do in Nevada and South Carolina. Jon Ralston, a veteran political reporter in Nevada, wrote on Tuesday that “the Clinton panic is palpable” ... Saturday’s Nevada Democratic caucuses were once touted as a field day for the former First Lady and New York Senator ... Yet Sanders has made inroads with the young, working-class Latinos and rank-and-file union members.
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Clinton Campaign Is Having a Panic Attack in Nevada and South Carolina (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 OP
they SHOULD be panicking Vote2016 Feb 2016 #1
The HRC campaign has been abysmal from the start. seaotter Feb 2016 #2
They don't have much to work with. Hillary insists on making the same stuoid mistakes LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #4
A case of the sequel being as enjoyable as the original. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #3
Bernie has put together MuseRider Feb 2016 #5
Agree, especially with that last saltpoint Feb 2016 #7
Things are not going as planned for the saltpoint Feb 2016 #6
I never quite thought MuseRider Feb 2016 #8
Hi, MuseRider. Agree. She must be saltpoint Feb 2016 #9
I bet she's surrounded by well paid advisors who know what's wrong but are afraid to say it aloud Vote2016 Feb 2016 #10
Was thinking the same, vote2016. They saltpoint Feb 2016 #12
Clinton's odd adherence to her failed 2008 game plan confirms that advisers are afraid to tell her Vote2016 Feb 2016 #13
Yes. In the first months, she did seem saltpoint Feb 2016 #18
Weird SheenaR Feb 2016 #11
Re: "Johnny One Note"... Donkees Feb 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #15
+21 in South Carolina. nt Chichiri Feb 2016 #16
Did they vote yet? JackRiddler Feb 2016 #17
Sure, in 10 days. Chichiri Feb 2016 #19
You seem to be confused about tenses in English. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #21
Hillary won by nearly 50 points. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #22

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
4. They don't have much to work with. Hillary insists on making the same stuoid mistakes
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016

again and again, and hoping that all her reinventions and reintroductions fool the voters

MuseRider

(34,120 posts)
5. Bernie has put together
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 07:55 PM
Feb 2016

an amazing team to be running this well with little BIG election experience against someone who has lived this life 3 times already, 2 being her husbands runs.

We have to thank HRC for letting him get up a good head of steam in the beginning by assuming such an air of inevitability. He got a nice running start and here we are.

He knows once people start working together to make everyone better off everything else will either fall in line or be much easier to accomplish. Funny how he was perceived as not being able to contend.

Still no idea how this turns out but I know many of us felt that once he won or ran closely in a few he would start to get notice from those who had paid little attention. Once they hear him, if they are able to feel included in his all inclusive message (Johnny One Note, sure it is) they will be coming to vote for him too.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
7. Agree, especially with that last
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:18 PM
Feb 2016

paragraph.

"To everything / Bern, Bern, Bern
There is a season / Bern Bern Bern..."

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
6. Things are not going as planned for the
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:17 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton campaign.

Bernie has navigated as someone who has rarely been in the majority consensus. Hillary operates as the establishment's long-time operative. He's long observed how the establishment operates. She's never had call to question that operation.

And she's been ambushed by that complacency.

Here's this piece from Salon:

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/16/the_clintons_will_really_try_anything_false_attacks_and_failed_strategies_as_hillary_repeats_2008/

MuseRider

(34,120 posts)
8. I never quite thought
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:22 PM
Feb 2016

of it like that but I do believe you are right.

"Bernie has navigated as someone who has rarely been in the majority consensus. Hillary operates as the establishment's long-time operative. He's long observed how the establishment operates. She's never had call to question that operation."

Just a different way of thinking about the whole set up. It is not helping her.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
9. Hi, MuseRider. Agree. She must be
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:29 PM
Feb 2016

meeting with her team behind closed doors. Would love to be a fake flower in one of the plastic vases on the fake wood-veneered table and listen in.

I'm guessing there's discussion of issues generally and economic issues particularly, with nervous and apprehensive staffers fidgety and tentative, wondering if they should mention that Bernie's packing huge arenas and she isn't. And why this might be so.

There's the whiff of Wall Street and entitlement. She can't shake either one.

Her surrogates over the last few weeks apparently got together before any of their respective appearances and collectively decided how to embarrass her. They've been strikingly successful at the embarrassment part.

More and more, it looks as if 2016 is not a stay-the-course election.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
10. I bet she's surrounded by well paid advisors who know what's wrong but are afraid to say it aloud
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:24 PM
Feb 2016

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
12. Was thinking the same, vote2016. They
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:06 PM
Feb 2016

are likely current and involved and dedicated, but they can't be seen as bearers of uncomfortable news.

I set this problem at the feet of the candidate.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
13. Clinton's odd adherence to her failed 2008 game plan confirms that advisers are afraid to tell her
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:26 PM
Feb 2016

that she played a role in her 2008 loss; her "yes, ma'm" advisors tell her "you only lost because Obama was a once-in-a-century gifted campaigner and not because the Clinton 3rd Way model is not inspiring and not because you are deeply mistrusted."

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
18. Yes. In the first months, she did seem
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:37 AM
Feb 2016

to make adjustments on the old model. But this was a piece of cake when she was unchallenged and a million points ahead.

Then some guy from Vermont a lot of folks never even heard of started making campaign stops, talking about a fair shake and economic justice for working people and the economically marginalized.

She didn't much notice. She didn't have to. But as things began to move to late summer and into the fall, though, Sanders' crowds were sizable and unswervingly enthusiastic. She wasn't drawing crowds like that then. She's not now.

I think you're right. It's her failed game plan, driven by her campaign's failure in self-reflection and obstinance in taking criticism. When she placed third in Iowa in 2008 she contacted her campaign staff and in a rather terse tone told them, "I find this very instructive."

She's way too quick to blame her staff when her staff's the one stuck with an obstinate candidate.

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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
17. Did they vote yet?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

When was the vote?

Can you link to the results of a vote by voters in a South Carolina election that produced that result?

Thanks!

Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
19. Sure, in 10 days.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:51 AM
Feb 2016

There's going to be a lot on my screen at that point, so be sure to remind me, okay?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
20. You seem to be confused about tenses in English.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:05 PM
Feb 2016

Yet you write like a native speaker.

Perhaps you grew up in a culture with a different view of the sequence known as past, present, future?

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