Fucking RIDICULOUS.

In 2008 they were opponents. Once Obama became the nominee, Hillary campaigned very hard to help elect Obama. He chose her as his SOS. They have become friends, they keep in touch and have met several times since she resigned as SOS.

after that, there cannot be any criticism or disagreement?

2008 is water under the bridge. It's 2016 and Obama is far closer to Hillary than he ever was to Sanders.

that was 2008. this is 2016.

so that means no criticism of Bush, right? Because that is even more ancient than 2008.

how things that happened are as if they didn't happen. stuff that was said 2 months ago is as if it is lost to history and there is just no way to know the truth of it. this happened a lot during the Iraq war.

happens in all areas except sports.

Why don't you take a swing at it.

I voted for him twice and like him as a president, but I don't agree with him sometimes myself. I prefer my candidate for the next election things for himself and isn't afraid to say so.

Much better than one that no one knows where she sits on the spectrum because she changes like a chameleon all the time.

You see, when you are part of a democracy, you relinquish your right to disagree.

Wait. That doesn't sound right.

Tweedledee and Tweedledum to be specific. He has never been a Dem so why would he support Obama? Plus Bernie thinks he operates on a higher level than any mere mortal.

in office. I don't know when those rules changed. Oh wait, they did not. How in the hell are we supposed to improve our country if we continually are told to stop being different and not totally falling in line?

Never mind. I no longer believe that many here actually care about that. It is all the party no matter what. This is the road to destruction, just let them alone we can't criticize.

that ever happened to this country, you are a racist and every opinion you hold is suspect.

Unless, of course, you are a Clinton. In that case, you can make sly racist comments about Obama to Ted Kennedy, you can go to South Carolina in 2008 and trash the man like Bill Clinton did, or you can belittle his experience and foreign policy like Hillary did and still be forgiven.

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I don't know why anyone would think that he would want as his successor a man who wasn't even a Democrat until he decided to run for president.

just like you do and just like I do.

Why would anyone let him tell them how to vote? Who cares what he thinks? He has done his job, thank you President Obama.

He does not get to pick his successor. Anyone who lets someone else chose their candidate is not thinking for themselves.

Bernie could have run Independent, would that have made you happy?

tell them how to vote? This Is A Democracy where people have the right, whether they use it or not, to think for themselves.

By then, he had rolled over way too many times dealing with Repubs. Suggestion chained CPI didn't help. His selection of cabinet positions was not favorable to middle class citizens. And he chose to basically go it alone once he was elected. As a short term politician, he failed to recognize the importance of surrounding himself with good quality people. And selecting Hillary as his SOS was a major screw up.

Obama had to deal with the Congress he inherited. As for his cabinet choices, they were fine. It's the Left that's never satisfied.

between Hill fans and Bernie supporters. So offering giveaways is the best way to deal with an opposing Congress. That sounds JUST like Hill.

In the end, I think that Hillary will prevail.

your comment sounds familiar...you must be a Rush Limbaugh listener...I seem to recall him using a similar slur against Barack Obama.

The one he "inherited" or got in the 2008 election had big Democratic majorities in both houses, which however he chose not to exploit, accepting rotten compromises on both the health care and the financial regulation and actively alienating his voting base.

So you're thinking of the Congress he got through his own failures, after 2010.

There's that. I have definitely NOT been a greatest fan.

But like my DU name implies....he was my choice in '08 and '12 and he is the only candidate I've ever donated to or volunteered hours for.

He and his administration deserved those side-eyes.

New orders.

I'm also not his biggest critic, which I suspect is also true of Bernie.

Obama was handed a once-in-a-lifetime chance to change our society as a condition of bailing out the banks and he bungled it - he required no concessions from the banks or from Congress whatsoever. The biggest plus is that he managed to get Obamacare done, but he gave away single payer which would've been far and away better and cheaper, so no ticker-tape parade there.

Most of the last 7 years I've been metaphorically banging my head against a wall in frustration at his denseness and bungling. I haven't been complaining all that time. But to suggest now that everybody has to pretend that Obama somehow walks on water is idiocy of the highest order.

If Sanders had been thrilled with Obama's performance he wouldn't be worth backing now.

Where was Obama supposed get these votes???

Sanders is a Socialist, democratic or otherwise, he thinks like one. Which is fine, but let's not pretend that he's a Democrat. I think that his agenda would be dead on arrival in Congress. They've already heard the same spiel for the last 26 years and has not made much impact in all that time. Yeah, I know, I know, people will uprise and we'll have a revolution. I don't understand why his supporters think that this is an actual strategy.

and there's no doubt that Obama failed to fight for it, tossed it away, so don't even start because I'm not going through all that blow-by-blow nonsense to validate an opinion point.

Everything that's been done this far was impossible to somebody, and just about everything was impossible to Obama, so what's that point worth? I remember when the moon shot was impossible. 6 years later it was done. I'm sure FDR's agenda was impossible to just about everyone. Yet most of it was done remarkably quickly, because it was needed. Obama had just such an opportunity, but failed to use it.

I'm one who went to a state university here in the US for free. That used to exist in the past. Were we richer then? No, I don't think so. So do lots of folks today in other countries. So just what is so impossible about it? Congress? The House changes every two years, along with 1/3 of the Senate, so neither you nor I nor anybody else knows what it will be within the term of the next president.

That depends on the will of the people. Not magic.

That's why we have candidates and primaries. I would expect nothing less.

That's most people.

It is OK to disagree with him on policies, especially stuff like TPP that will lose jobs for America. Hillary is against it too.

who was Obama's biggest fan?

I live in IL.

TPP...

... I've been hugly dissapointed in Obama since his first year in office. TPP, Putting Social Security on teh chopping block. Wasting the first years in office capitulating to he Oligarchy are you kidding me?

The drone strikes on civilians might just make Obama a war criminal - Like Kissenger, Bush etc

Bernie not being a fan of Obama is a huge plus fro me. More proof he as better judgement.

just feel that she is more able to perform and will likely win.

Even though I was a huge supporter - voted for him in Primary and two elections.

But dismissing the public option when he campaigned (and I worked so hard for it) - as he said to keep insurance companies honest. The Grand Bargain of chained CPI for SS and raising Medicare age which thank goodness the Republicans wouldn't give him - so it failed, the TPP . . .

Yeah - no harm in saying there are reasons to be disappointed. I simply don't understand why we, in this country, have to be blind followers to our President and can't have honest disagreements. Hell - isn't that why we got into the Iraq war?

and last I checked, he's a White House guy.

He wrote a slew unfair and untrue articles for Huffpo designed to make everything about Obama look bad. Some of us thought he was doing it to pave the way for a Hillary 2012 primary challenge. Now he's ripping Bernie.

Looks like Sam is a Hill fan through and through.