2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLooking for a presidential parallel? Think 1968
http://www.startribune.com/looking-for-a-presidential-parallel-think-1968/367881461/America has a political generation gap again, right on schedule. The baby boomers kids now nearly all of voting age and more numerous than the generation that spawned them are flexing their political muscle in a way that puzzles many of their elders.
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To put a Minnesota frame on it, one might say its Eugene McCarthy vs. Hubert Humphrey all over again. And for Democrats, thats not exactly a comforting analogy for those who know how that generational tug of war turned out. The 1968 clash of two of Minnesotas own helped elect Republican Richard Nixon.
Yet Sanders campaign seems to be inviting comparisons to 1968 or so I thought as I watched Sanders video ad with the evocative Simon and Garfunkel 1968 song America as its soundtrack. Viewers who did not live through that wrenching year may consider the song patriotic and even upbeat when paired with wholesome images of Iowa farm country and a Sanders campaign rally. Those who hummed that tune when it was new are more likely to hear its melancholy undertone. The full lyrics, which arent used on the ad, are the lament of disillusioned youth seeking something lost innocence, perhaps, after nation-changing bloodshed that year in Memphis, Los Angeles and Vietnam.
The 1968 election has been on my mind for another reason. I recently read Norman Shermans new memoir, From Nowhere to Somewhere: My Political Journey. Sherman is a native Minnesotan who served Humphrey as press secretary both during his vice presidency and his 1968 presidential campaign.
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Beginning in 1967, antiwar, pro-McCarthy protesters dogged Humphreys every public appearance a painful ordeal for a practitioner of the politics of joy whose private views on Vietnam policy were not as different from those of McCarthy as Lyndon Johnsons loyal-to-a-fault vice president let on. The mood of the country was ugly and grief-stricken after the assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert Kennedy. Even at elite Stanford University, protesting students threw human excrement at Humphrey.
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Will parallels to 1968 persist in the Democratic race? They just might. One can imagine Sanders opting for an increasingly divisive campaign in coming weeks, employing rhetoric that makes Clinton increasingly unacceptable to Sanders young supporters. One can imagine Clinton winning the Democratic nomination despite Sanders negativity or maybe with the help of the backlash that might follow a barrage against a groundbreaking female candidate. One can imagine an embittered Sanders finding himself unable to endorse Clinton or, if he can, unable to muster the sincerity to swing his supporters to her side.
Eugene McCarthy did not endorse Hubert Humphrey in 1968 until Oct. 13, two weeks after Humphrey belatedly broke with Johnsons Vietnam policy and announced that if elected, he would stop bombing North Vietnam. On Nov. 5, Nixons winning margin in the popular vote was 0.7 percent.
Alternatively: What if Bernie Sanders resists the temptation to drive the generational wedge deeper? What if he begins speaking to a wider demographic spectrum? What if Hillary Clinton makes a visible and persistent effort to respond to the legitimate concerns of her daughters generational peers, even if it means breaking with the policies of Barack Obama and her own husband? They just might. Theyre both old enough to remember 1968.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)But I was in 1988 and I think that's a more valid year of comparison. Non establishment candidate with an outsiders message and putting up a good fight for votes.
brooklynite
(94,737 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)It is all about Bernie Sanders or nothing.
I wish Hillary would go nuclear on him -- calling him out as a parasite in the democratic party, trying to use all its benefits without paying back a farthing for the promotion of democrats.
I want to see commercials showing Sanders' video criticizing the democrats and wanting to primary Barack Obama.
Sanders' self-centered and narcissistic persona should be exposed for all to to see -- as well as his pay to play politics with Shumlin.
Rocky the Leprechaun
(222 posts)Response to Rocky the Leprechaun (Reply #4)
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Carolina
(6,960 posts)What projection. Hillary -- the entitled one; the it's my turn one; the me, me, me, mine, mine, mine one is the narcissist.
Some people are willfully blind
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)when one runs by usurping someone else's party as a parasite, it is the height of narcissism.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)consistent message is more Democratic than anything coming from candidate weathervane, the former Goldwater girl, one of the founders of the DLC and supporter neoliberal economic policies that have undermined the middle class.
Spare me this tripe. HRC is a panderer, a liar, and in it for herself only.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Run your ads. It's indies like me that are going to call the shots in this election. Get fucking used to that.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)It is one of the more important statistical bits of information for the election.
Elections in this country are decided by the disenfranchised voters, not the party regulars.
longship
(40,416 posts)No! Hillary would never do that, but her surrogates here would.
If one bothers to look into it, what Killer Mike was doing was quoting Jane Elliott. And if Hillary supporters here had taken the few seconds effort to discover exactly what Killer Mike actually said, instead of taking the Rovian tactic of quoting out of context and feigning outrage, this primary season would be all the better.
But it is apparently all about Hillary and one can justify any sleazy slam.
I will vote for Bernie Sanders in the MI primary, but you guys are making it really hard for me to commit to supporting and voting for the nominee if it is Hillary. Nevertheless, that is my promise.
Just stop going all Karl Rove on us. It does not help you AT ALL!
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)He is too busy because he is laughing all the way to the bank, thank you.
longship
(40,416 posts)I could trot out some Hillary arguments, but I would prefer to have a semblance of getting along here. Plus, maintaining some credibility and not making personal attacks.
Your post is a non sequitur. It is utterly meaningless. And it is a personal attack on Killer Mike, who I never heard of before a couple of months ago. I don't listen to rock or rap or hip-hop or whatever it's called these days. But he speaks well and has some passion, so I am cool with that.
That he quotes Jane Elliott is even cooler. That the Hillary contingent here takes her words out of context and assigns them to him is utterly odious.
Let's leave it at that.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)She's rich enough to have someone laugh all the way to the bank for her. Is something wrong with Mike or Angela making money and voicing political opinions all at the same time? I think Hillary does that. I think I have been known to do that. Why can't they? What disqualifies them? Or is it just Mike?
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)She didn't support Hillary to sell more albums
Killer Mike was virtually unknown even to African-Americans and was probably No. 784 or something in the rapper lineage. He had every reason to come out to get publicity and sales.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)a broken, corrupt system.
The Democrats, who had elected only one president since 1896, knew they had a great chance at victory, and thus competition for the party's nomination was fierce. When FDR emerged victorious, he flew by plane to Chicago to accept the nomination in person, the first candidate ever to do so. In the closing words of his acceptance speech, Roosevelt promised "a new deal to the American people," without specifying exactly what that "new deal" would be.
This part reminds me of how Hillary is now capitalizing on Bernie's appeal by parroting him in her own rally speeches. Very telling, considering she & Bill are talking about unicorns (which is a term I haven't been seeing since the last Democratic primaries) & about how Bernie is the dreamer:
http://www.shmoop.com/franklin-d-roosevelt-fdr/1932-election.html
I'm sure there is far better information out there, but I wanted something short & to the point for this post.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks for posting that.
It sure would be a different campaign right now if the sitting president were a Republican.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)I regret that not everyone can be as enthusiastic as we are.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)I lvoewhe re you say that Bernie is runningagainst a corrupt system.an
And I love this part too:
This part reminds me of how Hillary is now capitalizing on Bernie's appeal by parroting him in her own rally speeches. Very telling, considering she & Bill are talking about unicorns (which is a term I haven't been seeing since the last Democratic primaries) & about how Bernie is the dreamer:
During the campaign, however, Roosevelt offered few indications of how he would actually govern once elected. While he attacked Hoover over the nation's high deficits and bloated federal bureaucracy, FDR gave few signs that he would preside over one of the largest expansions of the federal government in history. As one economist later observed, "given later developments, the campaign speeches often read like a giant misprint, in which Roosevelt and Hoover speak each other's lines."21 Regardless, FDR won and did so by a landslide, capturing 57% of the popular vote and forty-two of the forty-eight states. His optimism, enthusiasm, and the unappealing alternative of another Hoover administration convinced an embattled nation to put a second Roosevelt into the highest office in the land.
http://www.shmoop.com/franklin-d-roosevelt-fdr/1932-election.html
pacalo
(24,721 posts)ProgressiveEconomist
(5,818 posts)rather LOSE with Senator BS than win with HRC. They did not live throughthe Nixon years, and they were no younger than 8 years old when Reagan left office.
Revolution my ass. With Senator BS as our candidate, we're likely, IMO, to see someone from the clown car replace both Scalia and Ginsberg on the USSC. And institute work requirements for Medicaid, turn back the clock on voting rights, make having a miscarriage a felony, etc, etc.
longship
(40,416 posts)And BTW, the "History always repeats" meme is utter rubbish. History is a chaotic system; any repetition is coincidence.
As the Zen Master said, "We'll see."
(Could not resist. Mike Nichols' last movie, a very good one, and a true story.)
My best to you. When you come up with a cogent argument other than "No we can't" let us know.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)He has no plan to take back the state houses or the Congress. He has no alliances- he is doing nothing to help down ballot Dems. Nothing but a slogan, "political revolution" and a bunch of promises he can't keep and numbers that don't add up. I'll give him some credit though, Bernie has concocted a brilliant scam with all his promises targeting some of the more gullible segments of the electorate. I hear a number of BSS tout the bully pulpit as a good plan. Another one I hear is Bernie will have a march on Washington. The last Democrat that ran on raising taxes was Walter Mondale- He won one state. His home state MN.
longship
(40,416 posts)I've written enough on the topic.
As both my post above and the Zen Master say, "We'll see."
Have a pleasant day.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)I don't know where you got your original data, but no-boomer's kids are not just coming of age to vote. In case you missed it the boomers are all starting to collect SS. I assure you people in their mid-60's with children just becoming eligible to vote are a REAL low percentage of that demographic.
question everything
(47,535 posts)still considered boomers. Hello? 1946-1964.
Their children are 26 and 21. So, yes, the younger one will be voting the first time.
But, hey, why open your mind to vast knowledge instead of sticking in your own narrow tunnel?
Not every boomer started breeding at the age of 17.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)New voters who are children of Baby Boomers happen to be. ( ??? )
Most of us who are boomers have kids who are in their mid-thirties or even early forties.
villager
(26,001 posts)Since it's likeliest that RFK would have been the nominee -- and beaten Nixon.
Exactly the thing the "coincidence" prevented...
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)just young people support Bernie Sanders.
This is NOT 1968.