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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:46 AM Feb 2016

Vermont’s Black Leaders: We Were ‘Invisible’ to Bernie Sanders

Vermont’s Black Leaders: We Were ‘Invisible’ to Bernie Sanders
By David Freedlander

He’s paying attention to the concerns of black America now, as a presidential candidate. Back when he represented Vermont? Not so much, local activists say.

Back in 2006, the Vermont Partnership for Fairness and Diversity, a Brattleboro area civil rights organization hosted a Candidate Night. The race for the open U.S. Senate seat between Bernie Sanders and Richard Tarrant, a Republican and one of the wealthiest people in the state, had grown increasingly acrimonious.

The audience of African-American activists and other Vermonters of color should have been a friendly one for the socialist congressman.

Instead, remembers Curtiss Reed, Jr., the executive director of the group, it became something of a showdown. Sanders “was just really dismissive of anything that had to do with race and racism, saying that they didn’t have anything to do with the issues of income inequality,” Reed told The Daily Beast.

“He just always kept coming back to income inequality as a response, as if talking about income inequality would somehow make issues of racism go away.


And since winning that race, Sanders’ approach toward Reed and his organization has been one of “benign neglect,” the activist added. “We are a major statewide organization. It would stand to reason that you would check in with your major constituents, but voters of color are simply not on his radar.”

Read more:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/17/vermont-s-black-leaders-we-were-invisible-to-bernie-sanders.html

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Vermont’s Black Leaders: We Were ‘Invisible’ to Bernie Sanders (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 OP
David Freedlander SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #1
Did you have an issue with specific parts of the article? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #3
i find it interesting on of Clinton's primary strategy is to divide democrats based on race. californiabernin Feb 2016 #5
How'd that work out for her last time bvf Feb 2016 #8
Bernie is aggresively going after the Black vote. --So he is dividing Dems also based on your 'logic riversedge Feb 2016 #51
Yes - I think I will SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #7
You're presenting comments? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #9
A hack writer and a person with an axe to grind - why go over it point by point SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #14
I do. Our intrepid reporter managed to find three whole PoC with axes to grind. mhatrw Feb 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #4
Crass sheshe2 Feb 2016 #13
LOL! cui bono Feb 2016 #17
+1000 stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #28
Yes the Clinton machine has really focused on MaeScott Feb 2016 #29
Nice try. californiabernin Feb 2016 #2
This ought to be its own thread. The race card they're playing is reprehensible. snagglepuss Feb 2016 #6
They've been doing it ever since he entered the race, starting with his announcement rally. cui bono Feb 2016 #19
Not really. vorgan24 Feb 2016 #10
You seem to have missed this part: cui bono Feb 2016 #20
Sanders was too busy swinging with Cornell West uponit7771 Feb 2016 #23
K & R for exposure. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #11
Every piece from the Daily Beast I've ever seen Laughing Mirror Feb 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #57
K&R! bravenak Feb 2016 #15
Hey - there you are SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #16
A common refrain that has come from many, MANY poc re: his presidency Number23 Feb 2016 #18
That appears to be untrue about Vermont's incarceration rate Fumesucker Feb 2016 #21
of blacks? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #24
Here's the statement I'm responding to... Fumesucker Feb 2016 #25
There are fewer than 200 blacks currently in jail in Vermont, but proportionally speaking, that is mhatrw Feb 2016 #31
And our intrepid reporter managed to find THREE WHOLE people to back up that refrain! mhatrw Feb 2016 #32
Three was apparently more than enough to upset you Number23 Feb 2016 #54
Here's what upsets me. The author and the three people criticizing Sanders may indeed have valid mhatrw Feb 2016 #55
Drip... drip.....drip....and then Sanders video of Cornell West shows up uponit7771 Feb 2016 #22
Predictably Spreading Establishment FUD - Meme Number 95 cantbeserious Feb 2016 #26
K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #27
Let's tally up the votes. 3 say nay & 3 say yay! mhatrw Feb 2016 #30
So what's this supposed to mean? Is Sanders supposed to be a racist? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #34
I didn't write the article. Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #35
I believe it. JRLeft Feb 2016 #36
I don't believe this. delrem Feb 2016 #37
This is pure Brock? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #39
It is pure shit, Cali_Democrat, whoever disseminates it. delrem Feb 2016 #42
So you really have no evidence to back up your assertion other than... Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #43
Well, it's pure David Brock. That goes a long way. delrem Feb 2016 #44
I'm just trying to understand why you're associating this story with David Brock Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #50
That sounds par for the course KingFlorez Feb 2016 #38
So Bernie's a racist now? Nedsdag Feb 2016 #40
Why do people think any slight of people who are black means the slighter was racist? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #41
It's the quickest way to dismiss the criticism. nt Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #48
NO ONE said that EXCEPT YOU!! riversedge Feb 2016 #46
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #47
K&R. lunamagica Feb 2016 #45
Not surprised. Before he was a presidential candidate, he ecstatic Feb 2016 #49
Just a little FYI UglyGreed Feb 2016 #52
Some things never change workinclasszero Feb 2016 #53
And that issue is the 99%. nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #56
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #58
 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
5. i find it interesting on of Clinton's primary strategy is to divide democrats based on race.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:58 AM
Feb 2016

It's quite cynical. It's basically a race to see if she can get the votes in quick enough in early primary states before people figure out the truth of what she is doing, and how they are being played.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
7. Yes - I think I will
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:09 AM
Feb 2016

David Freedlander has presented a hit piece and it is no surprise. He is a $hill for $hillary.

"Meanwhile, here is a really nice shout-out from David Freedlander to those of us who, one way or another, devote large portions of our days and weeks celebrating and promoting Hillary’s hard work. Thank you, David!"

This hit piece attacks the strong record Sanders has supporting all Americans. Do you think People of color are not Americans? Any assertion that Sanders does not have a lifelong history of supporting AA causes is foolishly absurd.

Want more?

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
9. You're presenting comments?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:12 AM
Feb 2016

I asked if you had an issue with specific parts of the article.

Try again.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
14. A hack writer and a person with an axe to grind - why go over it point by point
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:45 AM
Feb 2016

Curtiss has always pushed his examples to extremes to prove his points, even before working at the state level.

As soon as you start
making comparisons to things like the Khmer Rouge and
Hitler to advance your point, it's reasonable to assume
that your worldview is dominated by rigid perceptions of
"good guys" and "bad guys", and that you are more
interested in expressing your general hostility than building
bridges between people and finding solutions to problems.
Having a person with this type of personality on a civil
rights panel undermines its credibility; once Reed made
those statements, he had to go

How did he expect that to be heard? His language,
as GSamson points out, was polarizing.

Being sensitive to others feelings is of course a
cornerstone of civility. Civility applies to everyone,
even people you completely disagree with.

"While Mr Reed was calling for others to think about
how words could be "heard", he used pretty wildly
inflammatory language. How did he expect that to be heard? His language, as GSamson points out, was polarizing."

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
33. I do. Our intrepid reporter managed to find three whole PoC with axes to grind.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:13 AM
Feb 2016

And he proceeded to build an attack article out of that even though he also found another three PoC who support Sanders.

Now I realize that this is Vermont, but a survey of 6 whole people, 3 of whom liked Sanders overall, does not equal

Vermont’s Black Leaders: We Were ‘Invisible’ to Bernie Sanders

Response to SoLeftIAmRight (Reply #1)

sheshe2

(83,924 posts)
13. Crass
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:44 AM
Feb 2016

Crass
Your post....Your Post.


SoLeftIAmRight (2,752 posts)

1. David Freedlander
so he crawled out of Hillary's ass long enough to sling some more shit


he crawled out of Hillary's ass? What a disgusting post. You should be so ashamed that came out of your mouth. Go DU! DEMOCRATS! Or are we on CC now?



cui bono

(19,926 posts)
17. LOL!
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:08 AM
Feb 2016

I'm going to read more of your post midnight ramblings, they're quite entertaining!

I find it odd that you are so unfamiliar with American sayings though. And no, this is not the Clinton Cave where you will find much worse than what you now claim to find so utterly offensive.

Oh, and odd that someone who would pen the most vile OP ever on DU could find an expression like that so offensive you had to comment on it yet you couldn't find a need to edit/delete your vile and offensive OP.

Not Good Enough, sheshe2!

.

MaeScott

(878 posts)
29. Yes the Clinton machine has really focused on
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:45 AM
Feb 2016

Media surrogates to carry her dirty water.
Tweety
Cape hart
Freelander
And others

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
2. Nice try.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:55 AM
Feb 2016

...Which is not to say that Sanders does not have his fans among the African-American community in Vermont. Patrick Brown, the executive director of the Greater Burlington Multicultural Resource Center, said that Sanders has been a regular at their annual Diversity Conference...

...“I am surprised he has not tapped into me as an African-American person to speak about his record here,” Brown said. “This is an area he could capitalize more on. We are all so proud of him.”

Shela Linton, an African-American supporter of Sanders from Brattleboro, said that the senator deserves credit for his outreach to the black community, especially considering that they are just under two percent of the state’s population.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
19. They've been doing it ever since he entered the race, starting with his announcement rally.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:32 AM
Feb 2016

It's despicable really, that they would politicize their own biggest issue just to try score points. But then they're doing it with feminism too. I guess principles don't matter when you have a chosen one.

.

 

vorgan24

(50 posts)
10. Not really.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:15 AM
Feb 2016

It's a admission he has AA support - No one is calling this into question btw - but it's also a admission that he doesn't care enough to tap that support.

Browns statements that Sanders hasn't sought him as a speaker, or that he hasn't bother capitalizing on that area, only give credence to statements that the AA community of Vermont is invisible to him.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
20. You seem to have missed this part:
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:35 AM
Feb 2016

"said that Sanders has been a regular at their annual Diversity Conference". So not invisible.

As to why he hasn't sought Brown out for campaign help, who knows? But I think it's a stretch to try to add that to the so called invisibility claim when he is quite clearly saying the opposite.

.

Response to Laughing Mirror (Reply #12)

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
16. Hey - there you are
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:58 AM
Feb 2016

You asked a very good question. I would love to help you find a very good answer.

It is really not that difficult.

Come on let"s explore - right here - together - and show those interested DUers what we can find out about revolutionary leaders and how that relates to Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.

We could be very helpful to some people.

Please Please Please

Number23

(24,544 posts)
18. A common refrain that has come from many, MANY poc re: his presidency
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:20 AM
Feb 2016
Sanders “was just really dismissive of anything that had to do with race and racism, saying that they didn’t have anything to do with the issues of income inequality,” Reed told The Daily Beast.

That comment has been made so many times it's damn near part of his platform. It goes a bit towards explaining the dearth of black people, especially elected officials that are supporting him.

But this bit is incredibly interesting:

Racial profiling is a fact of life here. Vermont incarcerates people at the fourth highest rate in the U.S., but no one talks about that. I have been beating on that drum for a while now, and I hoped that Bernie would up that mantle, but he has not. He is like a lot of Vermonters who like to congratulate themselves on how progressive they are but sweep these issues under the rug.”


I didn't know that.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
21. That appears to be untrue about Vermont's incarceration rate
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:08 AM
Feb 2016

In fact Vermont is among the states with lowest incarceration rates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_incarceration_rate

Vermont's incarceration rate is 335 per 100,000, less than half the US average of 704 per 100,000.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
25. Here's the statement I'm responding to...
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:17 AM
Feb 2016
Vermont incarcerates people at the fourth highest rate in the U.S., but no one talks about that. I have been beating on that drum for a while now, and I hoped that Bernie would up that mantle, but he has not. He is like a lot of Vermonters who like to congratulate themselves on how progressive they are but sweep these issues under the rug.”


Nothing about blacks in there...

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
31. There are fewer than 200 blacks currently in jail in Vermont, but proportionally speaking, that is
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:05 AM
Feb 2016

still far too many.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
32. And our intrepid reporter managed to find THREE WHOLE people to back up that refrain!
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:06 AM
Feb 2016

Three whole people!

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
55. Here's what upsets me. The author and the three people criticizing Sanders may indeed have valid
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:37 PM
Feb 2016

points. It is distinctly possible that Sanders should have and should now be paying more attention the these activists.

However, the article's OTT headline and the way the article frontloaded all three harshly negative attacks on Sanders before mentioning a single Vermont minority activist who had a single kind word for Sanders or Sanders' issues makes this impossible to know. Are these just three folks seeking publicity, trying to help Hillary, and/or looking for venue to grind their personal axes with Sanders? Or do they have a point? Does Sanders really have long history of simply equating economic justice with social justice and completely dismissing the idea the social injustice can and does persist even when economic injustice is ameliorated?

If the answer to the final two questions is yes, how do Sanders' critics feel he could respond better than he has to date to address social justice issues other than by kissing their own personal asses more? And why is Hillary Clinton the more attractive candidate on social justice issues other than her more ready willingness to kiss their own personal asses more? I could not figure any of this out from the article.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
30. Let's tally up the votes. 3 say nay & 3 say yay!
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:02 AM
Feb 2016

BREAKING NEWS: Intrepid reporter found 6 black leaders in Vermont!

The results mirror those of the PoC in New Hampshire. Basically, 50/50.

Axes to grind

Curtiss Reed, Jr.: Angry at Sanders for not giving his organization its due. Still wants Sanders to come to him for diversity training.
Sha’an Mouliert: Angry at Sanders for not supporting reparations and for not taking to initiative to reschedule an event he had to cancel due to weather.
Vaughn Carney: Angry at Sanders for not meeting with him and not doing enough about Vermont's high black incarceration rate.

Like Sanders

Patrick Brown
Shela Linton

Hedged Endorsement

Paij Wadley-Bailey

delrem

(9,688 posts)
37. I don't believe this.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

I don't believe that Sanders is a racist, or ever came out as such an overt racist as the OP represents.

This is pure Brock.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
42. It is pure shit, Cali_Democrat, whoever disseminates it.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:05 PM
Feb 2016

That's just my opinion of such shit.

Have a nice day.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
43. So you really have no evidence to back up your assertion other than...
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:07 PM
Feb 2016

"It's pure shit."

Thank you for clarifying.

Have a nice day.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
44. Well, it's pure David Brock. That goes a long way.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:15 PM
Feb 2016

How could it not? How could it not be noticed?

Do you really think that a campaign that hires David Brock with superpac money, and coordinates directly with Brock to do millions of dollars of internet only services, can get away with it without comment?

Well, nice meeting you Cali_Democrat, but I have a different opinion.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
50. I'm just trying to understand why you're associating this story with David Brock
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:47 PM
Feb 2016

What evidence do you have that he's actually the one behind this story?

He's not the author of the article.

Response to riversedge (Reply #46)

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
49. Not surprised. Before he was a presidential candidate, he
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:32 PM
Feb 2016

was extremely dismissive (borderline offensive) when it came to any issue other than economic inequality. He was always on Ed Shultz and other MSNBC shows--his point of view was clear.

I really hope that his evolution is sincere and not just a Bullshit act to get votes.

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