If that is a big disappointment then Bernie will be reliving this disappointment. I live in reality, my glass is half full and nit half empty.

We need to pursue what is possible than chasing the impossible.

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And calling him a foreign born muslim, but you knew that.

did you agree with the idea of a grand bargain that cut SS?

Do you agree with drone wars?

Did you think the wall st execs were entitled to pay bonus with our bailout money or that bailout did anything significant for victims of foreclosures?

Do you think it's appropriate that no wall st execs have gone to jail?

And please spare me the " but the GOP" argument

They think it's a bigger problem jailing criminal bankster and release tens of thousands of non violent "offenders" than to start a war in the streets of African American communities because they think the kids there are "superpredators".

They think that violence and suppression are the best remedies to heal a sick society.

about which African American has done more harm to African Americans

but from a white guy's perspective I know which white candidate has repeatedly relied on dog whistle politics and which one hasn't so that's how i will judge the candidates on the issue of racial justice

... is associating ones campaign strongly with these type of people and then expect votes from a demographic afterwards.

I don't know what the hell Sanders was thinging..

but i will leave it up to you as to why he said it

... tickets isn't a reason to stab someone in the back as West did

that's how you choose, and i have my criteria as well
peace

2011 Obama was opposed to the basic equality of LGBT persons under the law, or that was his official stance and it was most worthy of great criticism.

This is a good spot to mention that DU's BOG banned LGBT persons who dared advocate our own equality in their presence and even after Obama 'evolved' and they all sprouted rainbow avatars no one in the BOG bothered to reach out to those persons who had been banned for disagreeing with them before they agreed with us. That is very much worth thinking about if you ask me.

Those of you who 'stood proudly with Obama' when he was saying 'one man, one woman' were also standing proudly against history, equality and that which is right. Obama matured and learned. Sadly those who like to make use of him as rhetorical device have to a large degree not followed his example.

To claim a person is incorrect is it usually required to offer factual counter to what they have said. You did not because of course, I'm correct, my timeline is correct. Here is the WH's own press release from May 10, 2012.


President Obama Supports Same-Sex Marriage
May 10, 2012 at 7:31 PM ET by Josh Earnest
https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/05/10/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage

Repealed DADT in 2011.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/06/22/250931/timeline-barack-obama-marriage-equality/

That's just the fact. It's a historic day, May 10 2012. Prior to that day he was opposed to marriage equality and favored 'States deciding' and that sort of thing 'rights similar to marriage' and such.

You want to roll the facts back. 2011 Obama was an opponent of marriage equality. I can show you DU threads from 2012 in which people were still saying he'd never support equality.

It is what it is. Bernie was correct to criticize. That bothers you. Deal with it. Move on.

Obama, the ludicrously bipartisen bastard he is, left it up to the legislature or the supreme court. Merely directing the SOCTUS as he could under DOMA. You, like everyone else incapable of substantive replies, attack me.

Yes. My first hide on DU, well, locked post, was over Obama's Warren pick. Search "joshcryer warren pick"

Sucks. I hate it. Sucks bad.

But your timeline is wrong.

I can't believe that there are people on this board who don't recognize that. As such it's not hard to understand while people to the left of him, including Bernie Sanders, have been critical of him. If you agree with the way Obama has handled things, that's fine, but you have to expect that those who would like to see more serious changes in our economy, our foreign policy, our environmental policy and so on will disagree with you.

Bryant

... and he did eventually cuss West out... Dysons story is powerful

but I've been a "harsh critic" of him since his '08 campaign as well.

who supported him. He's pandering like mad as he's seeing how he boxed himself in by pandering to the fringe of the party and their Wall Street obsession. Now he has to show support for others who are more mainstream. What a phony.

who touts herself as being environmentally aware while meeting with lobbyists from the fracking industry during Iowa.
FACT. http://www.nofrackingway.us/2016/01/31/hillary-clinton-meets-the-frackers/

which is about Bernie now hugging Obama since he realizes all his previous criticisms will be used against him. So phony.

And how you said Bernie is a phony but you can't refute what I said can you?
I WIN! XD
See how that works?

Want another one?
The whole "fringe part of the party" assertion.
That fringe as you call it happens to be the majority of Americans who agree with Bernie's policies.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/03/polls-americans-socialists-bernie-sanders.html

Anything else you want to throw out there that I can gladly correct? Holler bro!

is a core voting bloc. That's why Bernie realizes he screwed up by criticizing Obama so much. He now sees he needs CORE voting blocs of the Democratic party.

See how that works?

because he has the bigger indy vote.
And sorry but Hillary criticized Obama too.



Enough with the bullshit.

Time to channel Roosevelt.

that he has neglected in his one-issue Wall Street billionaire campaign speech. It's all over the news that he is trying hard now to correct his missteps in maligning Obama since Obama is popular with AA voters.

What a laugh to post a picture of Teddy Roosevelt.

because why? I'm curious. His words hold true as it pertains to the conversation here but you can go ahead and spin it however you'd like.

Sanders is one issue? Funny, I wonder if that includes voting against Iraq too or working for vets? Fascinating.
I'm sorry but he isn't trying to correct anything as it relates to Obama. Meanwhile Hillary is trying to cover issue and has switched positions on everything. Name one thing she hasn't. I can. Taking Wall Street money.
You say AA voters yet remind us who ran a racist ad against Obama at 3am?
Straight up, do you think the president shouldn't be criticized.
Yes or no.

2008 don't interest me and aren't relevant. Quit spamming me with irrelevant bullshit. I'm not interested in your nonsensical tangents and spam.

Sanders has been making obvious efforts to woo the AA voting bloc and he is doing so now by hugging Obama. His previous criticism of Obama is hurting him now since Obama is popular with the AA community. It's all over the news since the SC primary is coming up.

Desperate? Me?
Millions of us are swimming in student loan debt.

I'm spamming you? Is that what it is now, spam when I bring up evidence that debunks your talking points? I'll respond to you as I see fit, that is how internet message boards work. The definition of spam is something which is completely OT which I haven't done. XD

I just showed you a video clip which states otherwise.
Thanks for playing though!
he has AA support, this includes many of the leaders with the BLM movement. Hillary has the old standby's.
It says it all what everything is about. Old vs new. Except this time, the establishment is going to lose.
Bernie is growing the party. Hillary isn't. It's as simple as that.

What else ya got?

Because I got this XD

Welcome to the revolution!

The desperation is laughable? Funny because I see your candidate's constant shifting on issues as laughable as she tries to pull the chameleon card in order to appeal to as many as she can however in doing so she had damaged herself greatly which can be seen in how she is wearing the hat of not to be trusted.

It's funny though that you seem to equate how Bernie disagreeing with Obama to hate. Can you show us anywhere that Bernie has said he "hates" Obama? Of course you can't.

So tell us, is it wrong to criticize Obama on issues you disagree with? Yes or no? I already asked you that and you keep avoiding it, so we'll try one last time.

BernieBros as opposed to ShillaryFoes? I'll take the latter thanks.

You still can't answer my questions which is sad. The truth is this, Hillary is a master at marketing and that is all she is. The more people learn about Bernie, the more they like him. See Hillary losing a 50 point lead in IA and only winning by .02% and losing another 40 point in NV in a race that is now a dead heat. SC? Bernie has gained over 30 points on Hillary. Is it any wonder why?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/7/23/1405229/-Private-Prison-Corporations-Stand-With-Hillary-Clinton
https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/chelsea-clinton-bernie-sanders-plan-to-end-mass-incarceration-is-worrying-a6875986.html

Dog whistles are gonna dog candidates.



It is important for people to see things for what they are, especially when it concerns incredibly important issues like this;

The REALITY is that Bernie has had to correct his missteps with AA voters because he has slammed Obama in order to build his one-issue Wall Street billionaire stump speech. That has been a mistake. All the news stations have been talking about Sanders need to now embrace Obama since he slammed him so much and Obama is popular with AA's in South Carolina.

Thanks for kicking this thread again, which is about Sanders missteps in maligning a great Democratic President, Barack Obama. Bernie really screwed up.

And LOL at your self-serving spam. LOL at your self-serving "questions."

Oh my God, Bernie said TPP is bad! The horror! lol

whoops!

Bernie's missteps eh? Regardless of who ran a racist 3am ad? Fascinating.
You still haven't answered my question yet either. XD
We're still waiting.

REALITY

yay or nay?

we're having fun

Ah, memories of a rowdy upbringing.

That is what my response was over 24 hours ago now. I'm not interested in petty, self-serving tangents.

Endorsements in the South Carolina primary OBVIOUSLY mean a lot. Clyburn is a coveted endorsement.

smores for all!

and other nasty bits of legislation. His endorsement is predictable, although it is yet another '16 Hillary endorsement from a person who lambasted her in '08 which makes his endorsements and his verbiage seem more situational than principled. Much like his DOMA vote.

and how big it is?

His mistakes are fair game for critique. He does not walk on water.

I have been a harsh critic of the president as well.

Are we not allowed to have an opinion on his nominations, appointments,

trade policies, etc. ???

Sanders would throw away President Obama's legacy and accomplishments

away regardless.

Like the recent overturning of his ban on lobbyists from making contributions to political campaigns. The DNC threw that away when money got tight for one candidate, and it wasn't Sanders.

If Clinotn does win, Obama's accomplishments will be bargaining chips in future negotiations.

... Obama had sent us on a wrong course?

Sanders is now going to eat his words

You post that video as if it were something to be ashamed of....

Have you not been paying attention Bean?

... millinneal blacks who is being the REAL establishment and who is not?

tia

Some of us have known all along.

... states

with personal vendettas and personal attacks.

Are you implying that Obama is beyond criticism?

Are you saying that going after whsitleblowers and protecting war criminals is the right thing to do?

Do you consider Obama a great negoiator like from the ACA negotiations?

I must remind you that he gave up all leverage and let the republicans control the narrative...

I am glad he is a person of honor and integrity to his principles.

campaigned against paying a fine if you don't buy health insurance..........

those who did the right thing by criticizing him when he was very clearly and dogmatically wrong?

Those of you who were not critics when criticism was called for failed to stand with your own neighbors. Instead you stood proudly with power and religion.

I voted for Obama twice and yet I've criticized him many times. That doesn't mean I don't support him. But, it does mean I disagree with him on occasion.

If you blindly support anyone, you aren't thinking. Your posts are either foolish or disingenuous. And they are always desperate.

... that's way beyond that

he'll wish he had that critic if God forbid he wins.

and expressing those differing opinions-regardless of Who is in the WH or Senate/House Majority Leaders/Governors and State Legislators is NOT democracy-Please define democracy for me.

I happen to be one of those who does Not agree with "everything" a president says/does, our current one included.

I don't find that to be either an attack or disloyal. I find those who blindly follow - always in full agreement based upon "party loyalty" to be a significant part of the problems we face today. Period.-