No one is enthused about her, she has too much baggage and she is a poor leader.

Please don't believe this stuff. Believe that Bernie has a chance to win. But not because of the nonsense above. Wishful thinking does not win elections and never did.

Donations of time and/or money can make a difference, though...

people have for the establishment and anyone associated with them?

ignoring that reality is exactly what is going to give us president trump

No, some of those few make it clear here. You are not the overwhelming tidal wave of fury you imagine, though. Even a large majority of those who like Berney also like Hillary.

BTW, do you know that over the past 7 years President Obama, the Democratic president we elected, erased ALL the tax cuts enacted since Reagan eas elected for the very wealthy?

This was accomplished in spite of intense GOP opposition, intense anti-government citizen opposition, opposition financed by floods of money from our wealthiest anti-government families, intense laissez-faire business opposition, and considerable help from the Supreme Court.

Yes, there is still very much to be done, but I expect you had no idea that mainstream Democrats have already hurt the plutocrats so badly. Mainstream media are business interests, and they have given it as little and as negative coverage as they feel they can get away with.

Obama has a whole bunch of other accomplishments the very wealthy are extremely unhappy with. They are far more helpless against the power of unsympathetic government than you imagine, and thus they are desperate to defeat the Democrats in 2016, because they know this is just the beginning of the end for their sacking of our nation if they do not.

Good job, Democrats!

Oh wait...maybe not so few.

So "few" that Obama's margin of victory in 2012 was half his 2008 margin. Not good for an incumbent in an improving economy.

Or are you suggesting the far-lefters alone lost the Democrats literally hundreds of offices in 2010?

Whatever. Right now the tea-partiers are giving the middle finger to the GOP by flocking to The Donald and Cruz, the Anointed Nut.

I'm not at all sure what point you're trying to make here either.

Yeah...makes perfect sense.

And those who want change did not come out to vote because they BELIEVED RIGHT-WING LIES.

The GOP loses every time participation is high.
Because a majority of all voters now votes for our candidates.

Therefore, they spend billions of dollars convincing people like...you, I guess, that the Democrats fail them at every turn.

That is such an outrageous lie that it is inexcusably ignorant and/or dishonest for anyone to believe, much less people on the left who want those changes. My guess is that every time people on the left spread his message Richard Mellon Scaife smiles from his grave.

Our 2010 campaign theme was "WE ARE SO SORRY WE PASSED THE ACA AND STIMULUS BILLS!!!!".

Our 2014 campaign theme was "Obama who??"

I'd be backing Bernie and trying to sabotage the Democratic Party. Here's something else to think about. After all, it is 2016.

158 OVERWHELMINGLY CONSERVATIVE families are funding 2016.

Again, the data shows that you are wrong. It has been a convenient excuse for the establishment to blame the left for not voting. The data shows this isn't true, yet it constantly gets trotted out there by people that just can't seem to believe that it was voters in the middle who didn't like their "pragmatic" candidates.

No, as always, liberals (which you dismissively refer to far-lefters in a manner right wing radio who approve of) showed up and voted. They always do.

It was the mushy middle that you couldn't convince to vote for a bunch of candidates that were literally unwilling to identify themselves as Democrats. Turns out that when you run as "Hey, I'm pretty much just like those Republicans, but, you know, a little better" you don't get a lot of enthusiasm, or votes.

its their way. and i don't necessarily assume that every pro bernie person is anti hillary. but despite some of obama's successes, he sold us all up the river with tpp, and many people, especially the young, need to feel they have something to look forward to in life.

they don't see that help coming from anyone with close ties to wall st and the mic, no matter what letter they put after their name.

they want big change, even bigger than what obama brought. its not an indictment of his presidency, its a realization that more needs to be done.

Obama brought. But if we lose this election, the GOP will have immediate control of two of our three branches of government and soon enough the third, the Supreme Court, and its lifetime appointments...

Do you realize the people operating clandestinely behind today's GOP want to end free public education? Not to worry about the bills for private schooling. They intend to end compulsory education in America altogether.

and we both don't want a gop scumbag in the wh

we just disagree on which candidate best gets us there.

tomato, tomaaaaaato for now, k?

it might be a wash

that pretty much matches my own and someone who only wants to be President and believes its theirs for the taking. The choice is clear. Bernie Sanders will be our next President

circumstance.

and underestimated at one's own peril

and calling bernie voters stupid is DEFINITELY the way to get their support if hillary becomes the nominee....

Let a republican in office by withholding your vote and those who are so adamant will get a quick dose of reality.

there is only one other candidate.....

and since we are on the subject, i wonder how many hillary supporters will commit to voting dem if bloomberg tries to sandbag sanders?

and Bernie and his supporters for a long time while so far Bernie hasn't had the barrage of criticism especially by the GOP and media that HRC has. So, right now he might look good but down the road he may not. They haven't even begun on him yet.

we have beem down this road. the amount of material the repubs would like to have on bernie pales in comparison to the truckloads they are dying to unleash on hillary. and they are saving their best stuff for a ge becsuse they want her in the race.

Street.

Hillary's negatives are entirely owing to Hillary, not to the incessant whining.

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She said on Thursday that superdelegates "exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don’t have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists."

It means any single-issue group cannot game the system. That includes Republicans registering as Democrats in order to try and restrict abortion rights.

She may not have stated it that clearly but it's obvious what she meant. The alternative is that she said publicly she wants to destroy Democrats. Which explanation is more plausible?
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What kind of Democrats has she helped or not helped?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251911615

So THAT'S why Hillary keeps yelling that Bernie is a one-issue candidate when it's clearly not true.

Optics.

Let's just pretend that he got the nomination and was a general election candidate. Republicans have not run a barrage of ads and unleashed a load of attacks against Sanders that would lower his numbers profusely. Candidates who have skated without attacks always perform better.

he has been public life for 40 years, and the clinton machine has been doing its very best to tear him down. no one is better at that than them.

he will be fine in a ge.

Let me introduce you to David Brock

The guy who sent an email out the other day trying to connect Bernie to Hugo Chavez. And when called out on it he had no answer.. Yeah.. hasn't seen anything dirty yet

You think she doesn't have the best and brightest hound dogs sniffing for anything they can find? She has plenty of funding and her own money, and plenty of connections, and he has a long, public history.

You really think tRump et al will be able to dig up more on him than Hillary, who has been thrown against the ropes and is fighting for her whole candidacy at this point?

His numbers look good now because most of America doesn't know who he is. Once they find out, and a billion dollars comes in to take him down, his numbers will drop-DRASTICALLY!

Hillary's numbers are real. She's already been put through the ringer. Bernie's numbers are not.

as people learn about him, his numbers go UP. as people see more of hillary, her numbers go down.

there is a trend there, and if you think repubs aren't saving their best stuff for a ge with hillary, i have some beachfront property i am trying to unload...

they are in total pavlog dog mode about the possibility of running against her...

The attack ads from this appearance on Meet the Press write themselves https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/12/why-bernie-sanders-isnt-going-to-be-president-in-5-words/

but for a variety of reasons, i will not expound on them here

and the socialist bogeyman is dead, except in the minds of radical republicans

Rove has determined that Sanders would be the weakest possible Democratic nominee and so has been running negative ads against Clinton in Iowa, NH and Nevada. For example, the ads in Iowa were normal Karl Rove lies http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-flattered-karl-rove-attack-ad/story?id=36343405

and i have no doubt they are saving some special stuff for a hillary ge

i am not in any denial about what either candidate would face in a ge. i think bernie has more crossover appeal to indys and even repubs and will not be destroyed by rw lies.

rove is a has been.
and just for some fun at his expense, here ya go

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however he wants,becsuse after pres sanders takes charge, the campaign gravy train ia shutting down

The GOP wants to run against Sanders for their own reasons and the GOP and Karl Rove do not have the best interests of the Democratic Party in mind

then they are too stupid to be helped.

they can do/think whatever they want. but i believe they are itching to run against hillary.

A GOP group is running a fake attack ad that is really an ad designed to help Sanders. The GOP thinks that Sanders is the weaker candidate and so the GOP is trying to help Sanders http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/anti-sanders-attack-ad-isnt-quite-what-it-seems-be

that is all i can really say.

they do not know how pissed and sick of the establishment people are because they are in their own little world...

Rove never does anything that is not designed to hurt Democrats or help Republicans

i guess we will have to agree to disagree

or we can just disagree lol

Karl Rove is running the standard attack ads against Clinton but other GOP types are trying to help Sanders also. Another GOP group is running an ad that is really designed to help Sanders and not hurt him. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gops-anti-sanders-attack-ad-intended-help-not-hurt-sanders

might as well not have the primary, then...

Don't you know these polls don't mean anything....

But a 5 month old poll from New Mexico shows Hillary is up big! Those are the polls that matter!!


He hasn't been attacked yet they will say... Two words, David Brock... who tried to connect Sanders to Hugo Chavez the other day.

Rec'd

Her numbers start at a peak and go down.

She would be a disaster as a nominee.

Here is a good thread talking about these polls http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511038010

The reliance on these polls by Sanders supporters amuse me. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/harrys-guide-to-2016-election-polls/

While I still think that these polls are worthless, I am amused to see that Sanders was found to be misrepresenting these polls and that in fact his claim is not true http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/26/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-polls-better-against-gop-ca/

Dana Milbank has some good comments on general election match up polls https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html?hpid=hp_opinions-for-wide-side_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

These polls are worthless because Sanders has not been vetted by the media http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read-three-weeks-go-three-margin-error-races-n493946

I think he is going to be tough to beat but hopefully both our front runners will be up to the challenge.

if they showed hillary blowing past the gop candidates....