shines a spotlight on those who say those things. And what is spotlighted is not pretty.

that's being nice

he does not care about racism.

he doesn't care about race/racism.

You are mischaracterizing what many black voters have been arguing.

Candidate A: "I will fight to end racism"

Candidate B" "I will fight to raise all races' incomes, fairness in the workplace, & work to bring jobs back to America and let me tell you how we will do this together."

Candidate A is offering meaningless campaign speech (what, is she going to wave a magic wand to end hate & fear?)

Candidate B plans to truly improve people's lives & tells us how.

More details here:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

Not just economic plans either. ^

There are things that can be done to address systemic racism AND sexism.

You don't achieve social justice through economic justice unless you effectively address why economic inequities persist, holding for education, experience and class.

Yes, race and class are inextricably linked. So are gender and class. However, that doesn't mean that systemic discrimination ends through a redirection of resources. We see this in our most segregated communities.

If you are lead by the idea that minds cannot be changed, then there would have been no progress post Civil Rights, and your candidate--who promises real change through revolutionary action--is no change agent.

to me. The problem has been that since I and many others don't worship said candidate, we must be stupid or ignorant....you know, how most white people think black folk are.

I only speak for myself: NEITHER CANDIDATE FLOATS MY BOAT.

If you need clearer explanation from other POCs, best that you ask them.

i think everyone is intelligent enough to make their own choice and would hope they do so on real issue that matter to them.

political division is one thing
racial, gender, ethnic... not a fan

peace

you really don't see an issue that, apparently by this part of your post, cuts both directions.

You don't care of either candidate, we get that...it's a stock part of your posts...so, that being said:

Who do you support, and how are you supporting them? Direct OUR attention to whoever you think would help 'show us the light' that you so severely think we need.

I've been teargassed, hit with batons and clubs, jailed and dodged bullets and all that only makes for an anecdote...but I know the difference in keyboard stances and active involvement...

You are obviously very passionate about your realworld view of our culture and I hope you don't think I'm trying to minimize your posts...I would like to hear more about what you think should happen, how, etc.

and, I know, you don't owe me any kind of response...I am just truly interested

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I'm going to behave like many people who hold their vote decisions near and dear to their hearts.

For now, I'm keeping it to myself.

I cannot support HRC. That is clear.

I was leaning Sanders and may be convinced without the snark, rudeness or condescension from Sanders supporters.

How Sanders deals with this race issue vis-à-vis class will make a difference. I, for one, am tired of people using class arguments to deflect from the real issue because they cannot bring themselves to admit or accept that RACE is preeminent and racism is destroying this country. I will no longer choose class over race. Period.

I have until April 26th to be swayed, but at this point, I will do my own soul searching and listen to the candidate, more research (though I already know Bernie's platform well), and make my decision by then.

Either I support Sanders in the primary or I don't cast a vote for a presidential candidate.

I'll vote for down ticket candidates either way.

you seem very engaged and you provide some insight into aspects of our cultural situation(s) that we all can stand to be exposed to...

the good, bad and ugly of these forums is (are?), and has (have?) always been, the discourse....

racist in and if itself.

Some just can't see themselves voting for a Jew, and we have already have had the dog whistle blowing in that area.

It was tried against Barack HUSSEIN Obama in the'08 race. Remember who?

This has been the topic of scholarly discourse for years.

added emphasis to the word *end*

We know studies on this have existed forever.

Here's one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/02/the-economys-troubling-double-standard-for-black-men/

Black men, even with a college or advanced degree, can expect to make much less than a white man with a high-school diploma. Achieving economic status does not end racism!

I have three advanced degrees and still make less than my white female counterparts, even though I have more experience. That's racism! Not class! I already have a high income but that doesn't stop systematic racism from occurring.

I've achieved economic justice, and many black middle- and high-earning families still face grave systemic racism/discrimination. Their academic and economic success did not address the persistent discrimination.

If you don't get this, it's not my fault. It yours!

i think they are two heads of the same snake

And I think the answer is tha "social justice" entails economic justice.

The whole premise is made up by Hilary supporters and partisans.

The only way to slow racism and minimize it is through higher education

But diverse community building is more important I think

Children of parents who attended college are far less likely to be bigots. Children of uneducated people tend to be more ignorant/bigoted.

But in general a persons level of education is inversely proportional to their parents education level, according to my sociology professors.

And no, having money does not automatically make a person a bigot. Ignorant parents do.

university is often one of the first places people become exposed to a diversity of people and ideas. so i agree with you and i think the senator would as well.

They are exposed to a diversity of people and everybody is in the same boat.

I have know some highly-educated bigots.

There's plenty if them in the world...on this site in a certain group, and they mask their racism very well.

Economic change, education and societal changed will go a long way toward justice for race and genger.

There will always be unreachable idiots. About 20% of the populace have enlarged amygdala, the fear center of the brain. These people are unreachable. The rest are reachable.

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To them, none of Bernie positives (or Hillary's negatives) on race have any impact on their mindset.

It's a personal choice.

The virtue of economic justice is that it allows people to own their own lives so racists cannot hold them back.

racism/discrimination.

for both economic and racial justice.

This recycled meme only illustrates how desperate you are. Thanks for tipping your hand. It is very reassuring to know that you have got nada.

who think he is only about economics. i'm confused by your reply.

"Justice" doesn't happen in a vacuum. Increased concern for individual rights in any of these arenas betters the tr e ament of all.

No one of these things is going to be cured without touching the others.