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Fearless

(18,421 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:08 PM Feb 2016

Please remember that Hillary fought against the ACA at one point in favor of a watered down version

During the 2008 campaign, do you recall the mantra of how difficult or impossible it would be to pass the ACA in the current Congress? Do you remember how we were told it was too costly and wouldn't be paid for? Do you remember how we were told we were dreamers and something about ponies and unicorns and rainbows and such?

I do.

Seems oddly familiar to what I hear coming out of Camp Hillary today.

Bernie is too radical, too idealized, his plans are too out there, they couldn't be done in this Congress, etc. etc. ad nauseam.

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Please remember that Hillary fought against the ACA at one point in favor of a watered down version (Original Post) Fearless Feb 2016 OP
2007: "Clinton Presents Plan For Universal Coverage" brooklynite Feb 2016 #1
"without spawning a massive new bureaucracy." Armstead Feb 2016 #13
she's the one that started the national health care arguement mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #2
She also got lambasted for favoring an individual mandate DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #3
did you know mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #7
Umm... The national health care argument was started under the TRUMAN administration Fearless Feb 2016 #4
duh...she's the one who re-started it mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #5
She didn't restart it and she failed to complete the job. Fearless Feb 2016 #6
if she hadn't tried there would mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #8
You make it sound like she alone carried universal health care to the masses Fearless Feb 2016 #9
she did what she could do at the time mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #11
Umm... what? Fearless Feb 2016 #12
That is not true. Obama was against a mandate, Hillary for one. Look what we got. boston bean Feb 2016 #10
I remember... differently. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #14
ooooooo shame on her for wanting to get mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #15
She was wrong. You are a disrespectful poster and I will have nothing else to say to you Fearless Feb 2016 #18
Why doesn't Hillary push for the Public Option? iwannaknow Feb 2016 #16
No, but I remember how those "reamers" criticized Obama, called him a sellout, for doing best he Hoyt Feb 2016 #17
that is just plain wrong dsc Feb 2016 #19
This is completely wrong. Skinner Feb 2016 #20

brooklynite

(94,737 posts)
1. 2007: "Clinton Presents Plan For Universal Coverage"
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:15 PM
Feb 2016
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday unveiled a proposal to provide health insurance to all Americans, placing herself at the center of an issue that provided perhaps the greatest setback of her political career.

In a speech in Des Moines, the Democratic front-runner said she would expand insurance to the 47 million people who do not already have coverage and would attempt to reduce costs for others without spawning a massive new bureaucracy. In a far different political environment than the one that turned her efforts to establish universal health care into a fiasco in her husband's first term, Clinton offered a more modest approach than she took as first lady and head of a White House task force in 1993.

"Today's plan is simple yet doable," Clinton said. ". . . This is not government-run. There will be no new bureaucracy."

Similar to proposals offered by her chief Democratic rivals, former senator John Edwards (N.C.) and Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), Clinton's plan -- with an estimated $110 billion annual price tag -- would seek to build on the existing health-care system but would make it easier for adults without health insurance to buy it through tax credits.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/17/AR2007091701026.html


Certainly more "watered down" than single-payer (which Barack Obama wasn't supporting either), but I'm not seeing anything that says she was opposed to the parameters of what became ACA (which, as you know, she never "fought against&quot .
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
13. "without spawning a massive new bureaucracy."
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:51 PM
Feb 2016

Republican type of spin. They've been using that line since 1980 to kill everything, to prevent programs and to minimize regulation and to turn more of the keys over to Big Bidness.

It's always disheartening when Democrats use it. Kind of an updated "The Era of Big Government is over."

It's especially ironic, because it usually means a complicated corporate bureaucracy and/or making government bureaucracy MORE complicated to protect the interests of Big Bidness.

I know, 2008. But she's still at it.

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
2. she's the one that started the national health care arguement
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:18 PM
Feb 2016

which is why the GOP hates her...now she wants to expand it...n/t

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
3. She also got lambasted for favoring an individual mandate
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:19 PM
Feb 2016

She also got lambasted for favoring an individual mandate which is the sine qua non of the Affordable Care Act.

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
7. did you know
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:27 PM
Feb 2016

there is a bill before congress to abolish selective service? I hope they bring in ALI during the signing....

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
4. Umm... The national health care argument was started under the TRUMAN administration
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:20 PM
Feb 2016

Trying to expand veterans care into care for all people. It failed.

It continued to grow under LBJ's Great Society. It failed, but we saw strengthening of social security.

It continued with Teddy Kennedy during the Nixon administration. It failed.

Did exist during the Clinton administration. It failed.

It made ground in the Bush administration largely by the Kennedy's political machine and Obama's political movement. (Why do you think Kennedy put his full support behind Obama.) And was signed as such, the ACA. An imperfect system for sure, it needs to be improved upon as both candidates have agreed.

Nice try though.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
9. You make it sound like she alone carried universal health care to the masses
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:32 PM
Feb 2016

She did not.

Kennedy was FAR more instrumental in getting it past Congress. Frankly she had nothing to do with it. In fact, at that point she was sabotaging. She was against the ACA.

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
11. she did what she could do at the time
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:35 PM
Feb 2016

it's like going to court....you know the first attempts at trying a case are going to loose and you know when it gets kicked up or down the road it's going to win eventually...so thank-god she didn't have a fragile ego and she's doing it because it's the right thing to do....during that whole time did she receive a paycheck from the gov for her work? No...she was first lady at the time.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
12. Umm... what?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:44 PM
Feb 2016

She campaigned AGAINST the best chance we had at universal health care since the Nixon administration because it was "impossible" or "far-fetched"... that her solution was "common sense".

She tried to sabotage the ACA because of her ego.


And to your off topic remark:

She was the first lady of the United States. I don't care how she was or wasn't reimbursed. I don't OWE her anything. She tried to destroy the ACA.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
10. That is not true. Obama was against a mandate, Hillary for one. Look what we got.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:34 PM
Feb 2016

And no, I don't remember the mantra of how difficult or impossible it would be to pass ACA.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
14. I remember... differently.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:52 PM
Feb 2016

I was for Clinton in 2008 largely because Obama wanted an optional system. Without a mandate it is not universal.
Clinton pushed Obama to support a universal plan.

iwannaknow

(210 posts)
16. Why doesn't Hillary push for the Public Option?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:59 PM
Feb 2016

If she really wants to incrementally improve the ACA, it would seem that that would be first on her agenda. So far I haven't heard her mention it once.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
17. No, but I remember how those "reamers" criticized Obama, called him a sellout, for doing best he
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:25 PM
Feb 2016

could. Remember it well. While those dreamers were ridiculing Obama, some of us who have been supporting health care reform recognized just what an accomplishment it was and how a failure would have been the end of reform for a decade or two.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
19. that is just plain wrong
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:12 PM
Feb 2016

the entire fight over health care was over the mandate and she favored it while he didn't so in point of fact she was correct as he admitted about 5 minutes after he became President.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
20. This is completely wrong.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:24 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were running on virtually identical health care plans -- the most notable difference between the two candidates' plans was that Hillary Clinton's plan included the individual mandate, whereas Barack Obama's did not. But the reality is that the plan was unworkable without the mandate, and I believe that candidate Obama probably knew it to be true. In the end, the health care plan that became law included the individual mandate, and was therefore closer to what Hillary was advocating to what Obama was advocating.

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