2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPlease remember that Hillary fought against the ACA at one point in favor of a watered down version
During the 2008 campaign, do you recall the mantra of how difficult or impossible it would be to pass the ACA in the current Congress? Do you remember how we were told it was too costly and wouldn't be paid for? Do you remember how we were told we were dreamers and something about ponies and unicorns and rainbows and such?
I do.
Seems oddly familiar to what I hear coming out of Camp Hillary today.
Bernie is too radical, too idealized, his plans are too out there, they couldn't be done in this Congress, etc. etc. ad nauseam.
brooklynite
(94,737 posts)In a speech in Des Moines, the Democratic front-runner said she would expand insurance to the 47 million people who do not already have coverage and would attempt to reduce costs for others without spawning a massive new bureaucracy. In a far different political environment than the one that turned her efforts to establish universal health care into a fiasco in her husband's first term, Clinton offered a more modest approach than she took as first lady and head of a White House task force in 1993.
"Today's plan is simple yet doable," Clinton said. ". . . This is not government-run. There will be no new bureaucracy."
Similar to proposals offered by her chief Democratic rivals, former senator John Edwards (N.C.) and Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), Clinton's plan -- with an estimated $110 billion annual price tag -- would seek to build on the existing health-care system but would make it easier for adults without health insurance to buy it through tax credits.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/17/AR2007091701026.html
Certainly more "watered down" than single-payer (which Barack Obama wasn't supporting either), but I'm not seeing anything that says she was opposed to the parameters of what became ACA (which, as you know, she never "fought against" .
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Republican type of spin. They've been using that line since 1980 to kill everything, to prevent programs and to minimize regulation and to turn more of the keys over to Big Bidness.
It's always disheartening when Democrats use it. Kind of an updated "The Era of Big Government is over."
It's especially ironic, because it usually means a complicated corporate bureaucracy and/or making government bureaucracy MORE complicated to protect the interests of Big Bidness.
I know, 2008. But she's still at it.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)which is why the GOP hates her...now she wants to expand it...n/t
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)She also got lambasted for favoring an individual mandate which is the sine qua non of the Affordable Care Act.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)there is a bill before congress to abolish selective service? I hope they bring in ALI during the signing....
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Trying to expand veterans care into care for all people. It failed.
It continued to grow under LBJ's Great Society. It failed, but we saw strengthening of social security.
It continued with Teddy Kennedy during the Nixon administration. It failed.
Did exist during the Clinton administration. It failed.
It made ground in the Bush administration largely by the Kennedy's political machine and Obama's political movement. (Why do you think Kennedy put his full support behind Obama.) And was signed as such, the ACA. An imperfect system for sure, it needs to be improved upon as both candidates have agreed.
Nice try though.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)she has been GOP enemy number one since
Fearless
(18,421 posts)mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)have been nothing for Obama to fight so hard for
Fearless
(18,421 posts)She did not.
Kennedy was FAR more instrumental in getting it past Congress. Frankly she had nothing to do with it. In fact, at that point she was sabotaging. She was against the ACA.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)it's like going to court....you know the first attempts at trying a case are going to loose and you know when it gets kicked up or down the road it's going to win eventually...so thank-god she didn't have a fragile ego and she's doing it because it's the right thing to do....during that whole time did she receive a paycheck from the gov for her work? No...she was first lady at the time.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)She campaigned AGAINST the best chance we had at universal health care since the Nixon administration because it was "impossible" or "far-fetched"... that her solution was "common sense".
She tried to sabotage the ACA because of her ego.
And to your off topic remark:
She was the first lady of the United States. I don't care how she was or wasn't reimbursed. I don't OWE her anything. She tried to destroy the ACA.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)And no, I don't remember the mantra of how difficult or impossible it would be to pass ACA.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I was for Clinton in 2008 largely because Obama wanted an optional system. Without a mandate it is not universal.
Clinton pushed Obama to support a universal plan.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)something passed! grow up.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)iwannaknow
(210 posts)If she really wants to incrementally improve the ACA, it would seem that that would be first on her agenda. So far I haven't heard her mention it once.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)could. Remember it well. While those dreamers were ridiculing Obama, some of us who have been supporting health care reform recognized just what an accomplishment it was and how a failure would have been the end of reform for a decade or two.
dsc
(52,166 posts)the entire fight over health care was over the mandate and she favored it while he didn't so in point of fact she was correct as he admitted about 5 minutes after he became President.
Skinner
(63,645 posts)Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were running on virtually identical health care plans -- the most notable difference between the two candidates' plans was that Hillary Clinton's plan included the individual mandate, whereas Barack Obama's did not. But the reality is that the plan was unworkable without the mandate, and I believe that candidate Obama probably knew it to be true. In the end, the health care plan that became law included the individual mandate, and was therefore closer to what Hillary was advocating to what Obama was advocating.