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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:52 AM Oct 2012

Atlantic - "Mitt Romney's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Foreign-Policy Speech"

Romney could just cut to the chase and say that he will do whatever Sheldon Adelson tells him to do. Finally, Romney's words clearly set the stage for the attack on Iran that Adelson/Netenyahu so clearly support.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/mitt-romneys-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-foreign-policy-speech/263369/?google_editors_picks=true

The speech that Mitt Romney gave Monday ought to make every American nervous about what he and his ideological team would do if permitted to direct U.S. foreign policy. What a debacle.

"It is the responsibility of our president to use America's great power to shape history -- not to lead from behind, leaving our destiny at the mercy of events," he said, giving voice to the mistaken premise that made Dick Cheney and Joe Lieberman allies. Anyone running for president ought to know that the president's actual responsibilities were set forth in the Constitution. That document was written long before America became a hegemon. Its signatories wisely and explicitly rejected the notion that a single man ought to be charged with shaping history. You'd think that the Iraq War would've served as a reminder that hubristic men who think they can shape history almost always fail miserably. But Romney mentioned Iraq only briefly, insisting we should've stayed longer. He doesn't realize or won't admit that occupying foreign countries makes America more rather than less vulnerable to uncontrollable events.

Despite the years of improvised explosive devices and the thousands of dead American troops, Romney insists that "there is a longing for American leadership in the Middle East -- and it is not unique to that region." America's closest ally, Israel, does not itself want to be led by America, nor does any other sovereign country. There are those who want America to lead others in some way or other, but it is as true to observe that there is a longing for America's withdrawal from the region. Neither longing tells us what America's role in the Middle East ought to be.

Romney noted recent events in Libya, and went on to say that the struggle there is the same one we're seeing "in the streets of Iran, in the public squares of Tunisia and Egypt and Yemen, and in the fights for liberty in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Libya, and now Syria. In short, it is a struggle between liberty and tyranny, justice and oppression, hope and despair." He went on to assert that "we have seen this struggle before" when "in the ashes of world war, another critical part of the world was torn between democracy and despotism. Fortunately, we had leaders of courage and vision, both Republicans and Democrats, who knew that America had to support friends who shared our values, and prevent today's crises from becoming tomorrow's conflicts."

This is hopelessly muddled.
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Atlantic - "Mitt Romney's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Foreign-Policy Speech" (Original Post) TomCADem Oct 2012 OP
Wonder if the MSM will keep kissing his butt when it's clear flamingdem Oct 2012 #1
when it's clear he'd drag us into war/s Flashmann Oct 2012 #2
Unfortunately the MSM loves wars. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #5
They can't wait to beat the drums of war lunatica Oct 2012 #23
Buffoon - A ludicrous or bumbling person; a fool. Cosmocat Oct 2012 #3
The ordinary Americans I meet as I register voters agree with you, Cosmocat. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #12
It won't make many Americans nervous--they like aggressive TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #4
This is our biggest obstacle right now, many Americans are used flamingdem Oct 2012 #6
Yes, chest thumping and smirking displays of superiority are back in style. TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #8
+1 lunasun Oct 2012 #9
who don't know their ass from their elbow. Flashmann Oct 2012 #7
Yup, 8 years of Bush* apparently taught people nothing... WestWisconsinDem Oct 2012 #20
MSM have sons and daughters that Mittens is willing Iliyah Oct 2012 #10
K&R Wednesdays Oct 2012 #11
K&R Wednesdays Oct 2012 #13
Priorities USA needs to put out a "Daisy ad" stat! SunSeeker Oct 2012 #14
K&R Wednesdays Oct 2012 #15
Romney is putting forth a simplistic foreign policy to appeal to simplistic voters TrogL Oct 2012 #16
K&R Wednesdays Oct 2012 #17
Is anyone as horrified as I am? liberalmuse Oct 2012 #18
Yes,... one_voice Oct 2012 #25
Zina Saunders take on the Adelson-Romney connection... HereSince1628 Oct 2012 #19
Patriarchal, colonialist hogwash Dollface Oct 2012 #21
a thousand and one recs Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #22
We do not have to shape history treestar Oct 2012 #24
With an unstable middle east and tensions in east asia, he is just what we need. MissMarple Oct 2012 #26

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
2. when it's clear he'd drag us into war/s
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:18 AM
Oct 2012

War makes great copy and headlines,which sell papers.....So wonder no more....

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
23. They can't wait to beat the drums of war
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:42 PM
Oct 2012

Super-imposed flags waving all around the tv screen, the red white and blue news colors with nifty military sounding headlines and thrilling patriotic and marshal music opening all the news segments. Jeez, don't you remember how the war in Afghanistan got piped into all our homes?

Wars make or break these guys. Wolf Blitzer was a nobody until he became a correspondent in the first Gulf War until they were bombed by Saddam's scud missiles.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
3. Buffoon - A ludicrous or bumbling person; a fool.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:29 AM
Oct 2012

I keep saying it, and he is the very definition of it.

All he knows, in his craven, say or do anything that might get him elected way, is that we had an ambassador get killed in Lybia. Because of this, he and all of these republican jackarses do what they do, wildly and thoughtlessly attack this president.

BO has been right 95% of the time in his foreign policy, so their reflexive nature of do what he didn't do leaves them WRONG on 95% of these issues.

It is absolutely dangerous, and should darn well give pause to the ass hate media types who were so over the top with the debate thing last week in their usual good news for the Rs/bad news for the Ds way. Romney has been SO fricken bad, they over compensated with what the debate was in reality.

THIS should be a fricken wake up call to STFU and call it straight.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
12. The ordinary Americans I meet as I register voters agree with you, Cosmocat.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:32 AM
Oct 2012

I wear an Obama pin but don't start political conversations. But I hear over and over how the Republicans are blaming Obama for things the Republicans did wrong.

This is kind of new in a campaign. The more negative the Republicans get about Obama, the more voters like Obama. Really, really strange. And it isn't just the liberals. It's otherwise conservative voters who are rejecting the Republicans' criticisms of Obama.

It defies commonly accepted ideas about how to manage a campaign.

Of course, I am in Southern California. Maybe it is different other places.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
6. This is our biggest obstacle right now, many Americans are used
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:35 AM
Oct 2012

to the Republican style of aggression and underhanded machinations.
This is what is familiar and "comfy" to them.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
7. who don't know their ass from their elbow.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:37 AM
Oct 2012

That IS,after all,who they identify with....Birds of a feather and all that.....

 

WestWisconsinDem

(127 posts)
20. Yup, 8 years of Bush* apparently taught people nothing...
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:29 PM
Oct 2012

Secretary Bolton, it's the Israeli Minister on the phone...

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
10. MSM have sons and daughters that Mittens is willing
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:18 AM
Oct 2012

to send cause they just love him so. Dying for the Lurd is also acceptable don't ya'know.

No worries, even the GOP know that O will win re-election.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
14. Priorities USA needs to put out a "Daisy ad" stat!
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:35 AM
Oct 2012

This kind of talk buried Goldwater in 64 and it will kill Romney this year. After 12 years in Afghanistan and 10 years in Iraq, Americans want nothing to do with war, especially (again!) against a country that has not attacked us.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
18. Is anyone as horrified as I am?
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:51 AM
Oct 2012

About the prospect that this man could become president? Even the worst of America doesn't deserve this disaster-waiting-to-happen.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
25. Yes,...
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 02:16 PM
Oct 2012

it scares the shit out of me. How many wars to they we can fight with a volunteer military. This is what scares me the most about Mitt winning the presidency. They've been itching for this war...

Dollface

(1,590 posts)
21. Patriarchal, colonialist hogwash
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:39 PM
Oct 2012

Romney insists that "there is a longing for American leadership in the Middle East..."

Are you fucking kidding me!?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. We do not have to shape history
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 02:13 PM
Oct 2012

He can STFU we are not interested in endless wars to "shape history."

Why should we have to lead the effin' middle east? They don't like it - oh, but that causes war, which Republicans love.

MissMarple

(9,656 posts)
26. With an unstable middle east and tensions in east asia, he is just what we need.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:31 PM
Oct 2012

Imagine that arrogant buffoon stumbling around on the world stage instigating the next world war. These people make me sick. I'm with Larry Wilkerson on that point.


" Lawrence Wilkerson, the former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, skewered Mitt Romney’s foreign policy team on Monday, saying their policies make his stomach turn.

Wilkerson took particular aim at John Bolton, former President George W. Bush’s ambassador to the United Nations—and now an adviser to Romney.

“The man scares me to death,” Wilkerson, a retired U.S. Army colonel told MSNBC’s Ed Schultz. “He would defeat all the enemies in America and the world—and believe me they’re plentiful—and he’d do it with everyone else’s blood. John is like Dick Cheney, never served a day in his life and wouldn't serve a day in his life … These people make me sick.”


Wilkerson’s harsh rhetoric comes on the heels of Romney’s foreign policy speech earlier in the day, in which the former Massachusetts governor laid out a hawkish approach."

http://leanforward.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/08/14302340-ex-powell-aide-on-romneys-foreign-policy-team-these-people-make-me-sick?lite

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