2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAtlantic - "Mitt Romney's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Foreign-Policy Speech"
Romney could just cut to the chase and say that he will do whatever Sheldon Adelson tells him to do. Finally, Romney's words clearly set the stage for the attack on Iran that Adelson/Netenyahu so clearly support.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/mitt-romneys-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-foreign-policy-speech/263369/?google_editors_picks=true
"It is the responsibility of our president to use America's great power to shape history -- not to lead from behind, leaving our destiny at the mercy of events," he said, giving voice to the mistaken premise that made Dick Cheney and Joe Lieberman allies. Anyone running for president ought to know that the president's actual responsibilities were set forth in the Constitution. That document was written long before America became a hegemon. Its signatories wisely and explicitly rejected the notion that a single man ought to be charged with shaping history. You'd think that the Iraq War would've served as a reminder that hubristic men who think they can shape history almost always fail miserably. But Romney mentioned Iraq only briefly, insisting we should've stayed longer. He doesn't realize or won't admit that occupying foreign countries makes America more rather than less vulnerable to uncontrollable events.
Despite the years of improvised explosive devices and the thousands of dead American troops, Romney insists that "there is a longing for American leadership in the Middle East -- and it is not unique to that region." America's closest ally, Israel, does not itself want to be led by America, nor does any other sovereign country. There are those who want America to lead others in some way or other, but it is as true to observe that there is a longing for America's withdrawal from the region. Neither longing tells us what America's role in the Middle East ought to be.
Romney noted recent events in Libya, and went on to say that the struggle there is the same one we're seeing "in the streets of Iran, in the public squares of Tunisia and Egypt and Yemen, and in the fights for liberty in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Libya, and now Syria. In short, it is a struggle between liberty and tyranny, justice and oppression, hope and despair." He went on to assert that "we have seen this struggle before" when "in the ashes of world war, another critical part of the world was torn between democracy and despotism. Fortunately, we had leaders of courage and vision, both Republicans and Democrats, who knew that America had to support friends who shared our values, and prevent today's crises from becoming tomorrow's conflicts."
This is hopelessly muddled.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)he'd drag us into war/s
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)War makes great copy and headlines,which sell papers.....So wonder no more....
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)So I would not count on that.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Super-imposed flags waving all around the tv screen, the red white and blue news colors with nifty military sounding headlines and thrilling patriotic and marshal music opening all the news segments. Jeez, don't you remember how the war in Afghanistan got piped into all our homes?
Wars make or break these guys. Wolf Blitzer was a nobody until he became a correspondent in the first Gulf War until they were bombed by Saddam's scud missiles.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)I keep saying it, and he is the very definition of it.
All he knows, in his craven, say or do anything that might get him elected way, is that we had an ambassador get killed in Lybia. Because of this, he and all of these republican jackarses do what they do, wildly and thoughtlessly attack this president.
BO has been right 95% of the time in his foreign policy, so their reflexive nature of do what he didn't do leaves them WRONG on 95% of these issues.
It is absolutely dangerous, and should darn well give pause to the ass hate media types who were so over the top with the debate thing last week in their usual good news for the Rs/bad news for the Ds way. Romney has been SO fricken bad, they over compensated with what the debate was in reality.
THIS should be a fricken wake up call to STFU and call it straight.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I wear an Obama pin but don't start political conversations. But I hear over and over how the Republicans are blaming Obama for things the Republicans did wrong.
This is kind of new in a campaign. The more negative the Republicans get about Obama, the more voters like Obama. Really, really strange. And it isn't just the liberals. It's otherwise conservative voters who are rejecting the Republicans' criticisms of Obama.
It defies commonly accepted ideas about how to manage a campaign.
Of course, I am in Southern California. Maybe it is different other places.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)liars who don't know their ass from their elbow.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)to the Republican style of aggression and underhanded machinations.
This is what is familiar and "comfy" to them.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Flashmann
(2,140 posts)That IS,after all,who they identify with....Birds of a feather and all that.....
WestWisconsinDem
(127 posts)Secretary Bolton, it's the Israeli Minister on the phone...
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)to send cause they just love him so. Dying for the Lurd is also acceptable don't ya'know.
No worries, even the GOP know that O will win re-election.
Wednesdays
(17,380 posts)Wednesdays
(17,380 posts)SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)This kind of talk buried Goldwater in 64 and it will kill Romney this year. After 12 years in Afghanistan and 10 years in Iraq, Americans want nothing to do with war, especially (again!) against a country that has not attacked us.
Wednesdays
(17,380 posts)TrogL
(32,822 posts)Wednesdays
(17,380 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)About the prospect that this man could become president? Even the worst of America doesn't deserve this disaster-waiting-to-happen.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)it scares the shit out of me. How many wars to they we can fight with a volunteer military. This is what scares me the most about Mitt winning the presidency. They've been itching for this war...
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Dollface
(1,590 posts)Romney insists that "there is a longing for American leadership in the Middle East..."
Are you fucking kidding me!?
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)and a kick, and a thanks, and SHARED - excellent article
treestar
(82,383 posts)He can STFU we are not interested in endless wars to "shape history."
Why should we have to lead the effin' middle east? They don't like it - oh, but that causes war, which Republicans love.
MissMarple
(9,656 posts)Imagine that arrogant buffoon stumbling around on the world stage instigating the next world war. These people make me sick. I'm with Larry Wilkerson on that point.
" Lawrence Wilkerson, the former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, skewered Mitt Romneys foreign policy team on Monday, saying their policies make his stomach turn.
Wilkerson took particular aim at John Bolton, former President George W. Bushs ambassador to the United Nationsand now an adviser to Romney.
The man scares me to death, Wilkerson, a retired U.S. Army colonel told MSNBCs Ed Schultz. He would defeat all the enemies in America and the worldand believe me theyre plentifuland hed do it with everyone elses blood. John is like Dick Cheney, never served a day in his life and wouldn't serve a day in his life
These people make me sick.
Wilkersons harsh rhetoric comes on the heels of Romneys foreign policy speech earlier in the day, in which the former Massachusetts governor laid out a hawkish approach."
http://leanforward.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/08/14302340-ex-powell-aide-on-romneys-foreign-policy-team-these-people-make-me-sick?lite