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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:49 PM Feb 2016

A self-declared European-type socialist will never win the American general election.

Nice guy. Good heart. Means well. Agreement on many of his goals and he brings much needed attention to income inequality and political reform issues.

But this country simply won't vote for someone who wants to turn us into a Scandinavian-type nation. That is Bernie's grand vision, and it will be his DOOM. He will be branded as a foreign entity, and it will stick.

His grand ideas for such a massive expansion of government (with NO mention of expanding the private sector in his speeches) and his self-branding as a socialist would CRUSH him to smithereens in the AMERICAN general election campaign. A total political BLOODBATH.

This is why the R's are WORKING to try to help him win the nomination. They are on their knees praying to be able to run against Sanders.

Hillary is more qualified, more tested, and more prepared to take on all the parts of the job. She isn't just about large slogans and talking points but DETAILED plans to actually make things happen.

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A self-declared European-type socialist will never win the American general election. (Original Post) RBInMaine Feb 2016 OP
Red Baiting in Maine. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #1
it's all some have , sadly Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #11
Five O'Clock Charlie strikes again. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #21
LOL! cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #24
Here you go. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #33
Xenophobes will likely vote for Trump in any case. stone space Feb 2016 #2
Anyone who thinks that hill can win is DELUSIONAL cali Feb 2016 #3
Exactly n/t whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #6
I use to believe that she cannot win, I no longer believe that. I believe she will need Bernie's JRLeft Feb 2016 #10
Yes, but people would need to believe her when she flipped again. They won't. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #15
I think the Supreme Court is far too important to sit this election out. JRLeft Feb 2016 #18
And once again Hillary's own Emails prove WHY we can't trust her FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #27
I guess those polls showing Bernie trouncing the Repubs and Hillary being crushed by them, well... greymouse Feb 2016 #4
Almost as delusional as one who thinks someone with a negativity rating of over 60% seaotter Feb 2016 #5
"Are you now, or have you ever been, a European-type socialist?" IDemo Feb 2016 #7
Nicely done. Kentonio Feb 2016 #9
Only those that are carrying their safeinOhio Feb 2016 #38
This makes what, about OP #215 of your Red Baiting? hobbit709 Feb 2016 #8
We've pondered if that's what the "RB" in the user name stands for. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #17
Certainly seems like it. I doubt it means Running Back. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #19
No and it's not farleftlib Feb 2016 #25
You're persistent, I'll give you that tularetom Feb 2016 #12
Yet another 'NO YOU CAN'T!' thread! reformist2 Feb 2016 #13
You should hope Senator Sanders wins. If not, we're headed into some dark days with Cruz or Rubio. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #14
And neither will a corrupt, corporate-owned war hawk claiming to be a Democrat Fawke Em Feb 2016 #16
Oh God, here we go again EndElectoral Feb 2016 #20
European socialism enid602 Feb 2016 #22
There's a first time for everything, RB. eShirl Feb 2016 #23
Someone obviously missed the latest Quinnipiac poll which shows HRC getting crushed pinebox Feb 2016 #26
Replace "Socialist" Z_California Feb 2016 #28
Don't you get tired of red baiting? Vinca Feb 2016 #29
Same kind of crap we hear from right wingers..... democrank Feb 2016 #30
Obama was described as a socialist by a large percent of the public. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #31
The last one was elected 4 times. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #32
Are you Sure? fredamae Feb 2016 #34
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Feb 2016 #35
This post is rock bottom. marmar Feb 2016 #36
A bit early today! djean111 Feb 2016 #37
and still counting 365 views safeinOhio Feb 2016 #39
Fresh take. frylock Feb 2016 #40
 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
2. Xenophobes will likely vote for Trump in any case.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016
He will be branded as a foreign entity, and it will stick.


 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. Anyone who thinks that hill can win is DELUSIONAL
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:51 PM
Feb 2016

The vast majority of Americans don't trust her or believe a word out of her mouth.

And many of us think she's corrupt ad Hell.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
10. I use to believe that she cannot win, I no longer believe that. I believe she will need Bernie's
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:56 PM
Feb 2016

help and will have to adapt a significant portion of his platform.

greymouse

(872 posts)
4. I guess those polls showing Bernie trouncing the Repubs and Hillary being crushed by them, well...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:51 PM
Feb 2016

What the OP doesn't understand is, the worm has turned.

 

seaotter

(576 posts)
5. Almost as delusional as one who thinks someone with a negativity rating of over 60%
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:52 PM
Feb 2016

And no ability to move that number can win. I'll take my chances with the socialist.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
16. And neither will a corrupt, corporate-owned war hawk claiming to be a Democrat
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:00 PM
Feb 2016

who is routinely hated by Independents and who has favorability ratings in the toilet.

Give it up. She can't win a general election.

enid602

(8,647 posts)
22. European socialism
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:04 PM
Feb 2016

European socialism was a very organic process which occurred in countries with parliamentary governments, all of which have MANY politic parties, and are ruled by consensus and compromise. Bernie lives in a two party system, and has few allies in either party. He is not known for consensus or compromise.

eShirl

(18,502 posts)
23. There's a first time for everything, RB.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:06 PM
Feb 2016

Sorry, the more people get to know him, the more they like his message. That's why his popularity continues to rise.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
26. Someone obviously missed the latest Quinnipiac poll which shows HRC getting crushed
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:09 PM
Feb 2016

Know who doesn't? Bernie.

And with that, you just got "Berned" with reality.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us02182016_Urpfd42.pdf



See here's the deal RB that you and other Hillary supporters don't get or understand. We've tried the other ways forever, literally. Do you know what has gotten us? Cuts in social security, our infrastructure crumbling. people swimming in student loan debt, people working 40 hrs a week and not being able to survive, less union power, stagnant wages, banks getting bailed out but the people getting screwed, on and on.

Sorry RB but America is completely fed up with the establishment than you and Hillary are for.
We're here and we are uprooting the system because we're sick and tired being screwed by filthy rich politicans who have sold their souls to special interest and Wall Street.

We're here.

Z_California

(650 posts)
28. Replace "Socialist"
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:14 PM
Feb 2016

With "black man with the scary middle name" and this could be an 8 year old post.

Wrong then, wrong now.

democrank

(11,100 posts)
30. Same kind of crap we hear from right wingers.....
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

He`s just not like us. He`s just not one of us. He`s one of THEM!!!


CRUSH!!!

BLOODBATH!!!

DOOM!!!

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
31. Obama was described as a socialist by a large percent of the public.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:30 PM
Feb 2016

They've rehabilitated the term.

Growing the economy requires reducing inequality.

"More qualified" = "entitled"

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
34. Are you Sure?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:42 PM
Feb 2016

"In Europe, Sanders Would Be Center-Right"
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-01-19/in-europe-sanders-would-be-center-right

If Sanders political position is considered Center Right in Europe---Where the Hell do the rest of the candidates fall?
Bernie Is going to win because "we're" ready for him-by Majority....even IF Europe considers him Center-Right!

H2O Man

(73,594 posts)
35. Respectfully disagree.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:44 PM
Feb 2016

I certainly respect thoughtful, rational discussion, which you provide here. And I agree that some republicans would prefer that their nominee run against Bernie.

However, I believe Bernie is more qualified to serve at this time. More, I believe he would have a far greater chance of winning in November than Hillary. Her "negatives" are such that I think she would struggle to achieve victory. I think she could win, but it would be close.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
37. A bit early today!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:59 PM
Feb 2016

So - you vote for Hillary! The rest of us will vote as we please.
Oh, and I have never mentioned Hillary, here in Florida, and not gotten a variation of "anyone but Hillary". So there's that.

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