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We need to break up the MSM along with the Banks !!! (Original Post) berniepdx420 Feb 2016 OP
No question. It's nothing but a propaganda machine against people onecaliberal Feb 2016 #1
Glory Fucking Hallelujah basselope Feb 2016 #2
So few people even realize how bad that act hosed us all. Juicy_Bellows Feb 2016 #14
That 's arguably the worst thing Clinton did...destroyed our free press. Punkingal Feb 2016 #27
Well.. that was before the interwebs were popular. basselope Feb 2016 #28
Yes, furthermore, sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #69
Break up re MSM ?? SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #75
What on earth does the first amendment have to do with any of this? basselope Feb 2016 #84
Dead wrong. sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #89
These two decisions caused major change, for the worse to put it mildly. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #41
It's only getting worse elljay Feb 2016 #80
We want the airwaves! tk2kewl Feb 2016 #3
"Congress shall make no law" brooklynite Feb 2016 #4
an originalist i presume tk2kewl Feb 2016 #9
No, a First Amendment absolutist... brooklynite Feb 2016 #43
First Amendment advocactes and supporters of healthy news media do not care for the Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #51
Scalia would agree with your interpretation. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #60
There were times that Scalia was right. truedelphi Feb 2016 #77
Thank you, brooklynite SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #76
He's taking an absolutist stance, and you credit him with nuanced reasoning? What am I missing? Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #78
True, but then, neither am I... brooklynite Feb 2016 #87
Money is speech then tk2kewl Feb 2016 #86
Wow amazing... a Democrat supporting MSM being owned by 6 billionaires... berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #10
basically the same argument used to support Citizens United tk2kewl Feb 2016 #12
Who just happens to be a wealthy Clinton supporter. Coincidence? I-don't -think-so. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #22
Opposing interference with the First Amendment doesn't constitute "support" for bulk ownership... brooklynite Feb 2016 #45
Why reference the 1st ammendment then.. we did and can regulate the market share one entity can hold berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #48
Finish your thought and explain how it applies here? basselope Feb 2016 #29
Well, if you want to repeal the First Amendment... comradebillyboy Feb 2016 #33
So the Fairness Doctrine was anti-first Amendment? basselope Feb 2016 #35
Can you say monopoly? SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #52
Freedom of the press shenmue Feb 2016 #58
True... they aren't making any laws right now. mwooldri Feb 2016 #64
I reckon a few on this thread dont think thats possible, 7962 Feb 2016 #67
This is Radio Clash tk2kewl Feb 2016 #5
Start your own TV Station. leftofcool Feb 2016 #6
Bingo! bravenak Feb 2016 #8
You 2 are joking right ? Those statements are so removed from reality... wow just wow berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #11
From YOUR reality. We have our inside jokes bravenak Feb 2016 #15
ok then... be safe out there berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #17
Oh how rich bravenak Feb 2016 #18
It's not I who support 6 billionaire owning the MSM.. I would like to regulate them like they use berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #20
Stahp!!! You making me choke on my weed smoke, lol bravenak Feb 2016 #21
lol... nah just your own words berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #23
You just dont get the joke son bravenak Feb 2016 #24
I got it son son... berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #26
Well come blaze then bravenak Feb 2016 #38
I'm in NEPO...where you ? berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #39
ANC, AK bravenak Feb 2016 #40
I'm in Portland OR.. the weed is a plenty.. you should come visit sometime... I haven't seen 1 berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #42
No bumperstickers here bravenak Feb 2016 #47
No we can't? treestar Feb 2016 #82
One does not simply start their own TV station. mwooldri Feb 2016 #65
Amen to that! Red Oak Feb 2016 #7
They need to be broken nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #13
+420 berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #16
I wish... basselope Feb 2016 #31
Locally we see it nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #34
They've been working day and night on closing the interwebs, you know it. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #44
Trust me I know it nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #46
Big time and why it makes me pause when some folks count on appalachiablue Feb 2016 #53
If HRC or Cruz or Rubio, or even Trump win the election nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #55
If Hillary or any of the clown car candidates on the other side win in November, hedda_foil Feb 2016 #88
I agree nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #90
Yes we do and they know that's coming if Bernie is president. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #19
Get on it! zappaman Feb 2016 #25
K/R UglyGreed Feb 2016 #30
k and r. You can say that again. (We need to break up the MSM along with the banks!!!) highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #32
We need to break up big chain restaurants!!! alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #36
The Olive Garden to start treestar Feb 2016 #83
Oh Indeed alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #85
Hell yes. azmom Feb 2016 #37
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 was a steaming pile left by the big dog.... Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #49
You forgot to add, wall to wall channels of Reality TV programming mrdmk Feb 2016 #92
Definitely. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #50
I agree a change has to come Rebkeh Feb 2016 #54
Abso-fucking-lutely! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #56
+ a brazillion hifiguy Feb 2016 #57
We just need to re-institute the fairness doctrine. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #59
No argument here. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #61
That would make it harder for a few oligarchs moondust Feb 2016 #62
They should certainly not be owned randr Feb 2016 #63
Yes. Long overdue. Nt abelenkpe Feb 2016 #66
I agree. I also remember Howard Dean saying this to Tweety right bbgrunt Feb 2016 #68
Bust the monopolies! Just like Teddy Roosevelt! We could do that and watch silvershadow Feb 2016 #70
Another thank you to the Clintons for throwing away the fairness doctrine. jillan Feb 2016 #71
As a former media person, I find it laughable for an H supporter to suggest people Duckfan Feb 2016 #72
I'm with you - but they'll fight you tooth and nail. And media smear campaigns often work. forest444 Feb 2016 #73
We cannot have a viable democracy until the media reflects actual American political diversity. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #74
Great idea! SoapBox Feb 2016 #79
No doubt the MSM are going to double down on anti-Bernie messaging if he gets in LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #81
Remember: this is a revolution. Duckfan Feb 2016 #91
 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
2. Glory Fucking Hallelujah
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:13 PM
Feb 2016

The telecommunications act of 1996 is as much of a problem as doing away with glass steagal.

Another "gift" left behind by Clinton.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
14. So few people even realize how bad that act hosed us all.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:27 PM
Feb 2016

You almost never hear about it, even on the interwebs.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
27. That 's arguably the worst thing Clinton did...destroyed our free press.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:44 PM
Feb 2016

Without a free press, there is no democracy.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
28. Well.. that was before the interwebs were popular.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:44 PM
Feb 2016

Most people on the interwebs don't remember life before media consolidation.

Clinton is not SOLELY to blame for this.. it started with the end of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987 and the expansion of ownership allowed under Reagan.

Clinton put the nail in the coffin with the telecommunications act of 1996.

People do not understand the power of the media and how a single entity can effectively control the majority of the message across MANY mediums.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
69. Yes, furthermore,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:50 PM
Feb 2016

the majority of campaign spending goes to commercial media and the price of a seat at the table keeps going up and up.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
75. Break up re MSM ??
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 05:35 PM
Feb 2016

You do realize that repeal of the first amendment is required as the first step in this process?

Tune down the hyperbole a bit.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
84. What on earth does the first amendment have to do with any of this?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:17 PM
Feb 2016

You do realize that pretty much the invention of television we have had rules in place to control how much influence a single company could have on the media.

We had the fairness doctrine. We had restrictions on whether a newspaper company could own a television station and how many stations a particular company could own in a particular market. This was to avoid consolidation of media.

In 1987 under Reagan this began to erode. T he Fairness Doctrine was done away with and companies previously restricted from owning things like cable networks were suddenly allowed to move into this space.

1996 was the next step in this horror pretty much lifting the cap, allowing a single organization to DOMINATE multiple forms of media.

Now, your "news" is pretty much controlled by 6 corporations.

So, explain how the "repeal of the first amendment" is required to put back in place rules that we had since the 1940s?

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
89. Dead wrong.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:56 PM
Feb 2016

The First Amendment prohibits abridging the freedom of the press, not the freedom of corporate monopolies that own the press.

appalachiablue

(41,168 posts)
41. These two decisions caused major change, for the worse to put it mildly.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

Both industries need serious reform, Dog knows.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
80. It's only getting worse
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:08 PM
Feb 2016

as the oligarchs are buying more and more of our newspapers. This will give them control of the newspapers, radio, television, and cable, leaving us only with Free Speech TV and some websites. Those are next on the list (e.g. Huffington Post to AOL, The Onion to Univision Communications). We'll be reduced to posting bulletins on telephone polls.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
51. First Amendment advocactes and supporters of healthy news media do not care for the
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

Telecommunications Act of 1996 nor for the results of that Act . Just so you know.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
77. There were times that Scalia was right.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 05:43 PM
Feb 2016

His defense of the Constitution would be one of the more persistent decent themes of of his tenure.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
76. Thank you, brooklynite
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 05:38 PM
Feb 2016

But you do realize that nuanced reasoning and facts are not currently in vogue at DU?

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
29. Finish your thought and explain how it applies here?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:45 PM
Feb 2016

Because maybe you didn't realize what you just said ends with citizens united!

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
35. So the Fairness Doctrine was anti-first Amendment?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:50 PM
Feb 2016

And not allowing a single company to own multiple media outlets in a market was anti-first amendment?

Come on.. figure out your argument here.

See where it leads.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
64. True... they aren't making any laws right now.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:40 PM
Feb 2016

They collectively are having a hard time fighting their way out of a wet paper bag.

Off topic reply I know but the subject line of the reply i'm replying to lends itself to the present state of Congress (cos it's totally the opposite of progress).

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
67. I reckon a few on this thread dont think thats possible,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

Although I agree with you. ESPECIALLY with the internet now; anyone can start anything. And be successful at it. Hell, Drudge is proof of that.
But as you reference, the constitution doesnt allow for the govt to "break up" the press

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
20. It's not I who support 6 billionaire owning the MSM.. I would like to regulate them like they use
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:32 PM
Feb 2016

to be regulated... you suggested if I don't like it I should buy my own TV station... now that's rich

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
40. ANC, AK
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:00 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie is winning here
Our liberals are hippies and young people we all smoke together thats how i know Bernie is winning here. The dem caucus anywayz, but repubs cross over too, they did to legalize weed they smoke alot. Repubs smoke alot alot alot up here.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
42. I'm in Portland OR.. the weed is a plenty.. you should come visit sometime... I haven't seen 1
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

hrc yard sign or poster.. more and more bernie signs and bumperstickers

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
47. No bumperstickers here
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:06 PM
Feb 2016

I think it's because the ice is still out and all that nasty salt. Once we get through break up, people put up their signs.
I have family down in org, brother in law is a dj down there, forget his stage name, but he's having a baby, I might visit after the baby wants company. You know we have the best weed tho. No BC thank god. No seeds either ew, my head, im not young anymore.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
65. One does not simply start their own TV station.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:42 PM
Feb 2016

Life is nothing like Weird Al's film "UHF". Plus we're gone past those days.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. They need to be broken
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:26 PM
Feb 2016

but they are starting to get challenged by independent media. The internet has given us access to this, the same way early radio did.

Speaking of early radio, there is a reason why the 1996 telecomununicatipns act was passed. Big media was tired of the small radio stations challenging them.

Mark your calendar, they will try to close the internet for the same reason the 1996 telecom act was passed. Oh and Third way dems will defend it, just as vigorously.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
31. I wish...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:47 PM
Feb 2016

When independent media gets too big (for example, Huffington Post) it invariable ends up purchased.

The "challenge" independent media is making to traditional media is little more than a gnat.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
34. Locally we see it
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:49 PM
Feb 2016

since we started doing silly shit like covering poverty, the big boys have started.

appalachiablue

(41,168 posts)
53. Big time and why it makes me pause when some folks count on
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:16 PM
Feb 2016

and advocate the internet for news too much. The powers are many steps ahead on this, indy news is a yugge threat to the status quo. We'll see if limitations can be staved off somehow and many good people working on it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
55. If HRC or Cruz or Rubio, or even Trump win the election
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:22 PM
Feb 2016

I can see the closing of the web within two years, sadly. If Sanders win, we will limp along for a little longer, We cannot have an American spring.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
88. If Hillary or any of the clown car candidates on the other side win in November,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

If that happens, I'll guarantee that the internet as we know it will be closed to activists for all practical purposes by the 2020 election.The reason I'm saying this is the financialization of everything that is already close to a fait accompli. Profit has become the ultimate value of TPTB (ie., mega millionaires, billionaires, and the movers and shakers that own or run gigantic global corporations -- and the politicians who they own.

Of course if the world economy collapses, everything is up for grabs and the biggest authoritarians still win.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
19. Yes we do and they know that's coming if Bernie is president.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:31 PM
Feb 2016

That's why they've been in Turbo shill mode for Clinton and Trump for the last 9 months...24/7.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
30. K/R
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:46 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie on media: "If anyone simply turns on the television and says, 'Oh, there is the truth. That's all that I have to know. I can formulate an opinion from that.' They are dead wrong. The media is as much part of the problem as anything else in this country."

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
49. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 was a steaming pile left by the big dog....
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016

Love your high cable rates? The Act deregulated cable rates. Miss diversity in radio and television? The Act lead to a major drop in minority station ownership. Like money? Too bad, the Act gave away digital licenses to media companies that could have gone for about 70 Billion Dollars.

24 pages of detailed information here:
The Fallout From the Telecommunications Act of 1996
http://www.commoncause.org/research-reports/National_050905_Fallout_From_The_Telecommunications_Act_2.pdf

mrdmk

(2,943 posts)
92. You forgot to add, wall to wall channels of Reality TV programming
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:21 AM
Feb 2016

Not to mention five minutes of commercials for every ten minutes of programming.

First Amendment and Free Speech my ass, this is about control of public airwaves and regulation of monopolies.

Also to do away with yellow journalism. Maybe some people around here like to be manipulated.


Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
54. I agree a change has to come
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:19 PM
Feb 2016

But let us not forget that some individuals, many actually, are cogs in the MSM machine. They didn't create this mess and are stuck in a difficult situation, lives are literally dependent on 'going along to get along' for the vast majority of people. A child going hungry due to a parent's job loss is not a reasonable price to pay, for example.

Yes, break it up but let's remember we have allies there as well. Keep perspective, is all I am saying.

moondust

(20,002 posts)
62. That would make it harder for a few oligarchs
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

to decide who the "stars" and "leaders" shall be and then hype them into positions of fame, fortune, and power.

Silly.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
68. I agree. I also remember Howard Dean saying this to Tweety right
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

before they tore him apart with the scream.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
70. Bust the monopolies! Just like Teddy Roosevelt! We could do that and watch
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

the Republicans squirm as it occurs to them that they REALLY ARE fascists.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
72. As a former media person, I find it laughable for an H supporter to suggest people
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:55 PM
Feb 2016

start their own television station.

Typical silly arguments that don't make sense.

Break them up!! No radio or television station should have the same programming as the station across the street.

That includes Time-Warner, and Ruperts silly little monopoly.

I'm curious. Do HRC supporters listen to Rush-Limpbutt?

Just wondering.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
73. I'm with you - but they'll fight you tooth and nail. And media smear campaigns often work.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 05:15 PM
Feb 2016

One very instructive recent example was that of Argentina, where the former President Cristina Kirchner attempted to limit media monopolies by way of the 2009 Audiovisual Services Law.

This anti-trust law, which replaced dictatorship-era media regulations designed to promote monopolization (similar to Reagan's FCC and the '96 Telecommunications Act in the U.S.), limited the number of licences any one company could have, as well as the market share in each metro area (35%). It was supported by among others the UN, the International Federation of Journalists, Reporters Without Borders, and the Carter Center - even cited as an example for other countries with excessive media ownership concentration.

But the largest media group in Argentina, the Clarín Group, had other ideas. They began by using the courts to file injunction after injunction - and even blackmailed a number of judges to make sure these injunctions were upheld. These injunctions continued even after the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the law itself.

They also, of course, used their own media outlets (numerous newspapers, websites, and the cable news channel TN) to launch a no-holds-barred smear campaign against Cristina Kirchner and anyone who supported the media anti-trust law. The foreign media - particularly right-wing outliets - joined in by often basically translating the smears verbatim (which Clarín took care to publish using the conditional tense, since for the most part they were unsubstantiated).

The result? The anti-trust provisions of the law was never really implemented due to the barrage of injunctions, and the media smear campaign led to a narrow right-wing victory in last year's election. The new president, who's been ruling by decree since he took office two months ago, scrapped the law (which was passed by Congress) by decree.

This, unfortunately, is what we might expect if anyone ever seriously tried to break up - or even limit - the big media monopolies. And don't forget that, just as the Clarín Group had the Argentine far right on its side (in what was mostly a marriage of convenience), so too will the big media groups reach out to the GOP and its surrogates to destroy any president who tried to limit media monopolies.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
81. No doubt the MSM are going to double down on anti-Bernie messaging if he gets in
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:09 PM
Feb 2016

Because they can see the dominoes dropping if he manages to start breaking up the banks.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
91. Remember: this is a revolution.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:06 AM
Feb 2016

IF Bernie gets in WH, he will go to us for help. He has to know we have his back. That means showing up at the Capitol and letting them know we are not f'ing around. When Bernie wants to pass legislation to break up corporate media, we have to be there for him. You can count me in on that.

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