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angrychair

(8,732 posts)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:19 PM Feb 2016

MSNBC all but called it

Bernie Sanders leads 2-1 of those younger than 45 and has a 12 pt lead with those making $50,000 or less.

On edit: 52-44 white voters (64% of voters), Hispanic voters 54-43 (17% of voters)

What does that mean?

That is a lock it for Sanders.

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MSNBC all but called it (Original Post) angrychair Feb 2016 OP
Nope Jarqui Feb 2016 #1
Hopefully they stick around EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #3
"Word" from where? dchill Feb 2016 #5
Heard it on the live stream. EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #7
Also heard it on CNN or MSNBC last night Kittycat Feb 2016 #69
But Bernie + 12 with people making less than 50,000 a year.. thomservo Feb 2016 #4
I wont disagree about older pop angrychair Feb 2016 #8
These are end of January numbers for Democratic registration Jarqui Feb 2016 #20
Hillary is heavily supported by the 65+ passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #55
Just turned 71 Plucketeer Feb 2016 #58
I don't understand it either but I've seen it in nearly every poll Jarqui Feb 2016 #63
Just now read an article in the Tulsa World Newspaper madokie Feb 2016 #71
It depends on turnout. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #2
yes it will depend on turnout Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #6
They needed to be in the room half an hour ago. That is how a caucus works. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #10
I heard there was lots of republican crossover for Sanders.. FarPoint Feb 2016 #9
Do they take the names of the people who stood for each candidate? jmowreader Feb 2016 #49
I don't think so otherwise they could have reconstructed intersectionality Feb 2016 #60
That could be because they think he's an easier general election target iandhr Feb 2016 #75
I believe that... FarPoint Feb 2016 #76
If they have been unsuccessful, why are her negatives sky high? Human101948 Feb 2016 #77
Clinton is winning in Nevada polls. What's up with premature celebrations. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #11
Last poll before Caucus Doors Opened angrychair Feb 2016 #13
Overtime Politics poll? What's that? Isn't that a fake poll? Never heard of it. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #17
It's literally a couple guys in Australia Codeine Feb 2016 #22
LOL Really? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #25
Nevada polls are unreliable, and Clinton underperforms her polling numbers geek tragedy Feb 2016 #14
yeah, I don't get this dana_b Feb 2016 #21
Too many chickens being counted. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #23
Entrance/Exit polls - she's currently losing by quite a margin according to the graph Jarqui Feb 2016 #32
In the Iowa exit polls CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #12
This is a high stakes election, in my opinion. Aerows Feb 2016 #37
unfortunately, in a caucus you can't necessarily vote for the person you want to vote for renate Feb 2016 #57
CNN said 49 Bernie 47 Hillary from entrance polls. jillan Feb 2016 #15
HOLY SHIT! - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #28
FWIW a few tweets by reputable media suggest the turnout is heavy and Jarqui Feb 2016 #16
^^^^THIS IS AWESOME^^^^ angrychair Feb 2016 #18
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Feel the Bern !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #27
Bernie appears to lost his flame... FarPoint Feb 2016 #44
He couldn't have lost SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #59
3 1/2 % cost A ton of money and face, see ya in SC . By the way her biggest rout yet ,blow up the orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #65
3 1/2 % cost A ton of money and face, see ya in SC . By the way her biggest rout yet , blow up the orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #66
More like 5 1/2%, and I am in SC SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #67
I thought maybe the SCantiGOP was a clue, and your with her, so congrats to the 1% . n/t orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #68
That will mess up a meme nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #19
big thing here Robbins Feb 2016 #24
Your sons and your daughtersAre beyond your commandYour KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #26
+1 CentralMass Feb 2016 #29
Let's Hope So noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #30
I'm in my mid-50s. I gained an incredible amount of respect for today's youth KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #40
+Infinity cureautismnow Feb 2016 #39
I'd be cautious about calling it a "lock." californiabernin Feb 2016 #31
Clinton fatigue has set in Aerows Feb 2016 #33
Please, someone inform Tweety Nobel_Twaddle_III Feb 2016 #34
Bernie by a LANDSLIDE FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #35
Hillary won Nevada Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #50
Never mind workinclasszero Feb 2016 #73
We all remember President Dewey fondly. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #54
Hmm. Codeine Feb 2016 #62
Two other groups: Asian and AA unc70 Feb 2016 #36
CNN Entrance poll is tighter - 49% bernie 47 Hillary 3% uncommitted nt Jarqui Feb 2016 #38
NBC just called it for Clinton MisterP Feb 2016 #41
Fox and NBC are calling it for Clinton dorkzilla Feb 2016 #42
When did the caucus end? blackspade Feb 2016 #48
In the end, Hillary won because she is beachbumbob Feb 2016 #43
Not a good thing angrychair Feb 2016 #47
Looks like you're wrong book_worm Feb 2016 #45
Hillary wins Nevada! BeatleBoot Feb 2016 #46
Sanders got what percent of Hispanic voters? (caucusgoers?) nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #51
Nevada is a red state so it's no surprise they picked the more conservative candidate. Deadshot Feb 2016 #52
Post 52 sure is different SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #56
Actually they were equally inaccurate. Codeine Feb 2016 #74
How would you define a red state? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #70
Red? Obama won it twice book_worm Feb 2016 #72
Oops! LOL!!!! beaglelover Feb 2016 #53
One chicken, two chickens, three chickens. . . nt Codeine Feb 2016 #61
Entrance polls are unreliable. Drunken Irishman Feb 2016 #64

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
1. Nope
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:21 PM
Feb 2016

Nevada Dems have an older demographic that is about 2 - 1 for Hillary - and there are more of them

But the heavy turnout that is being reported favors Bernie. It means the youth is coming out.

angrychair

(8,732 posts)
8. I wont disagree about older pop
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:27 PM
Feb 2016

What strongly counters that is the combination of the large youth vote and the 12 pt lead with those making 50 or less (a much larger group than any other).

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
20. These are end of January numbers for Democratic registration
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:43 PM
Feb 2016

18-24 8.3%
25-34 14.6%
35-44 14.4%
45-54 17.2%
55-64 19.1%
__65+ 26.3%

Hillary is heavily supported by the 65+ - kind of like Bernie is with the young ones - not quite as extreme an there is three times as many of them.

There is same day registration which is when a bunch of the kids sign up. And heavy turnout so everyone feels that's good for Bernie.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
55. Hillary is heavily supported by the 65+
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:12 PM
Feb 2016

This doesn't make sense to me. Bernie is much stronger on issues affecting Medicare, and Social Security, on strengthening them and even increasing them.

I am 66 and I think a lot of DU members are up here too...and we want the Bern, so I don't understand states where the elderly are not backing Sanders.

Maybe many of them aren't paying attention. I admit our population here is not the norm. We are politically savvy, internet users seeking information, and we are paying attention and a lot of people just settle for what they hear on Fox news or other news sources.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
58. Just turned 71
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:16 PM
Feb 2016

I think you've got it in that last paragraph. I know folks of our age group who have strong notions based on bad or misleading info.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
63. I don't understand it either but I've seen it in nearly every poll
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

- and I look at the demographics of a lot of them

This is from the entrance/exit polling (which are not always precise)
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/nevada/exit/

65 or over (28%) 74% Clinton Sanders 24%

28% of the electorate at 65+ is a high number but it's been like that in prior years in Nevada

Sanders also won
whites 49-47(59%) and
Hispanics 53-45 (19%)
but lost the blacks (13%) 73-22

Pull Clark county and Sanders wins the state by 5pts.

Keys to Clinton's win:
- won the biggest county, Clark, by a good margin
- big majority of black vote
- people 65+

The polling for 65+ and the blacks has been consistent in the polls I've seen.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
71. Just now read an article in the Tulsa World Newspaper
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:08 AM
Feb 2016

saying that the election board is overwhelmed by the new registrations. Something like they've never seen before. There is two other issues on the ballot but its stuff that normally doesn't bring out the masses so my gut tells me its for Sanders and or tRump. No one around here likes Hill so I doubt she plays any part in this. I wish she'd just go away is about as good as you'll get when you mention her name

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/voter-registrations-surge-in-tulsa-county-ahead-of-elections/article_6ffde9fe-be6e-5ba0-b68e-c2ae18f9fddd.html

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
2. It depends on turnout.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:23 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie leading the under $50K people by 12% and Hillary leads the over $50K people by 9%.


Medium income in NV is $51,450.


If those numbers are all correct, it comes down to turnout and it might be a slim win for Bernie,


http://www.deptofnumbers.com/income/nevada/

^snip^

The current median household income for Nevada is $51,450.
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
10. They needed to be in the room half an hour ago. That is how a caucus works.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:28 PM
Feb 2016

Everyone is in doing their thing now. They already were when the entrance poll results were announced.



jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
49. Do they take the names of the people who stood for each candidate?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:48 PM
Feb 2016

Any Republican who stands for Sanders, then appears at the GOP caucus on Tuesday, HAS to be removed from the counts for both parties.

intersectionality

(106 posts)
60. I don't think so otherwise they could have reconstructed
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:18 PM
Feb 2016

The cluster fuck that was Iowa. Sounds like caucuses are just straight asking for voter fraud

FarPoint

(12,428 posts)
76. I believe that...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:10 PM
Feb 2016

The GOP has attacked the Clinton's for well over 20 years and have been unsuccessful... Yes, I agree with your assessment.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
22. It's literally a couple guys in Australia
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:46 PM
Feb 2016

who call people in the phone book. No demographic breakdown or weighting. It's not really a poll, though they got nicely lucky in NH.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. Nevada polls are unreliable, and Clinton underperforms her polling numbers
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

Her people just aren't that motivated to turn out

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
23. Too many chickens being counted.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

Expectations is everything.

Hope for the best, and say you expect the worst in all your presidential primary campaign endeavors. This is will carry you far.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
12. In the Iowa exit polls
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:31 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie only beat Hillary by 3 points with those making 50k or less.

Don't know if Iowa exit poll numbers give any insight into NV, but here they are:

http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/iowa/exit/

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
37. This is a high stakes election, in my opinion.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:57 PM
Feb 2016

A Bernie win in Nevada after the crushing defeat in New Hampshire will signal that he is absolutely electable, so it isn't necessary to prop-up the "inevitable Clinton". You can actually vote for the person you want to vote for, not just some focus group tested pack of "principles" that change daily and with the direction of the wind.

renate

(13,776 posts)
57. unfortunately, in a caucus you can't necessarily vote for the person you want to vote for
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:14 PM
Feb 2016

If you're in a union and the union leaders are right there in the same room telling you to vote for Person A, wouldn't it be pretty risky to openly vote for Person B?

Caucuses are ridiculous. I wish everybody in every state would get to do it like we do in Oregon, and vote by mail from the comfort of their own homes--no time off work, no time in long lines, and privacy.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
16. FWIW a few tweets by reputable media suggest the turnout is heavy and
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:38 PM
Feb 2016
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 6 minutes ago
Report from field: Lots of new registrants, reports of GOPers switching to vote. "Overheard kids saying parents switch..to vote for Bernie."


Apparently, they've interviewed a few and this isn't being done to cheat/mess with it - it's being done because they're leaving the GOP for good for Bernie. Their kids turned them on to him. Obviously, I don't know how widespread but I've seen it more than once
 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
65. 3 1/2 % cost A ton of money and face, see ya in SC . By the way her biggest rout yet ,blow up the
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:04 PM
Feb 2016

balloons .

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
66. 3 1/2 % cost A ton of money and face, see ya in SC . By the way her biggest rout yet , blow up the
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:06 PM
Feb 2016

balloons !!! The 1% eked one out, more than a 6th of a percent .

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
24. big thing here
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:48 PM
Feb 2016

both cnn and MSNBC are reporting bernie is winning the hispanic vote according to enterence polls! There goes just white guys voting for bernie.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
26. Your sons and your daughtersAre beyond your commandYour
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:48 PM
Feb 2016

old roads are rapidly aging.Get out of the new oneIf you can't lend a hand.O, the times they are a'changing.

~Bob Dylan

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
40. I'm in my mid-50s. I gained an incredible amount of respect for today's youth
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 05:12 PM
Feb 2016

when I participated in Occupy Los Angeles in 2010. I beheld the future and it gave me great hope. Occupy made Sanders possible, imo.

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
31. I'd be cautious about calling it a "lock."
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:53 PM
Feb 2016

If Sanders can keep it within single digits, it's O.K. If it's within a few percent, great. If he wins, awesome!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
33. Clinton fatigue has set in
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:53 PM
Feb 2016

and even Clinton supporters are realizing that her campaign is a bust, just like it was in 2008.

She is fantastic at being a dirty fighter behind the scenes, but the scrutiny under which she would be if by some chance she won the nomination and the GE would crush her and the Democratic party.

She is not the genuine article.

Nobel_Twaddle_III

(323 posts)
34. Please, someone inform Tweety
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:53 PM
Feb 2016

Please, someone inform Tweety that Bernie’s tax on wall street speculation is not a big tax on Grandpa because Grandpa does not usually day trade in his 401K

unc70

(6,117 posts)
36. Two other groups: Asian and AA
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:55 PM
Feb 2016

About 10% each, if I remember. Seems like Asians were slightly favoring Sanders. If so, any AA support he receives would be the margin of victory. But knows. Well all of us in a couple of hours.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
48. When did the caucus end?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:46 PM
Feb 2016

I'm confused as to why they are calling it at 5:00 EST?
Isn't the 2-3 PM Nevada time?

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
43. In the end, Hillary won because she is
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:23 PM
Feb 2016

The better candidate...Nevada was bernies last chance...it's all downhill from here for Clinton...

angrychair

(8,732 posts)
47. Not a good thing
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:42 PM
Feb 2016

While a Democrat candidate has lost the GE with a positive trustworthiness and likeability number, no Democrat has ever won the GE with these numbers being negative.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
72. Red? Obama won it twice
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:13 AM
Feb 2016

Bill Clinton won it twice. Besides it's a democratic caucus. Democrats vote. I guess you only want lily white states to have a say rather than states that have a lot of minorities? I guess that will be your argument when Bernie loses South Carolina, too?

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
64. Entrance polls are unreliable.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:43 PM
Feb 2016

Even more so than exit polls. Iowa entrance polls initially had Hillary winning by a significant margin and she barely won.

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