2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumShould Obama Supporters Start Freaking Out? (spoiler alert - "No")
The undisputed captain of Team Freakout is Newsweeks Andrew Sullivan, the longtime Obama supporter who has written a number of cover stories advocating for his campaign. His post-debate analysis of how Obama plummeted into near-oblivion is so spectacularly glum that it spawned its own parody account on Twitter, @SullyPanic (sample tweet: After Wednesdays debate Im leaving the Catholic church. God is dead.)
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That said, more optimistic Democrats found several mitigating factors to keep them away from the ledge. Most notably, several pollsters, including Rasmussen, Gallup, PPP, and ABC News, found Romney surging (albeit less dramatically) in their own numbers but only in the immediate aftermath of the debate. By the weekend, things seemed to be shifting back towards Obama. The bulk of Pews numbers came Thursday and Friday.
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Nobody should be freaking out because we have yet to see a lot of good quality data in any of the swing states, the strategist said. Ive already seen some quality polls in some of the swing states that show things to be relatively stable. He dismissed national polling as largely irrelevant, but did say movement for Romney post-debate is real. There was always going to be a tightening. Am I dismissing the movement? No, he said. Clearly somethings going on when 70 million people watch the debate. Theres clearly an interest in this stuff thats at an all time high. So we cant dismiss it but I think that the notion that the sky is falling is probably overdone.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/democratic-freakout-obama-romney-polls.php
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)We spent a couple days screaming from all the networks that Romney lied. It didn't help. We have dozens of web videos and cartoons that highlight Big Bird. It's not helping either. So what do we need to do? Freak out? No. But we do need to get serious.
First, turn the conversation to something else. We claim we're winning the war against the Taliban and AQ, but at the same time AQ takes out four of our Embassies, and the Taliban shoots the teen activist who won the Afghanistan peace Prize. The unemployment numbers aren't helping, because they dropped so much so quickly that people doubt it. When did we become Bush? When did we become so desperate for positive news we would claim victory knowing as soon as we do, they make us eat the damned words? When did we forget we can't win the bloody war? We used to know that. We used to remember it.
So what are we doing? We're spinning our wheels. We make Big Bird jokes while we're getting flushed down the toilet. Before the debate, I said we were in a tough fight with a determined enemy. Everyone laughed at me and told me to stop whining. We're getting nuked gang, we're getting shot to pieces, and we're laughing about it because we have better big bird jokes.
It may be too late already. Because nobody in the campaign is serious about it. It's all a big joke to them. President Obama said that Debate Prep was a drag.
But what nobody knew, until now, was that Obama believed he had actually won.
In an extraordinary insight into the events leading up to the 90 minute showdown which changed the face of the election, a Democrat close to the Obama campaign today reveals that the President also did not take his debate preparation seriously, ignored the advice of senior aides and ignored one-liners that had been prepared to wound Romney.
Every day we learn more, more about the attacks on our Embassies, and more about the Debate and lack of prep. President Obama coasted into the debate, and tried to coast through it. Now the only question is will he finally pick up the gauntlet and fight? Because nothing we do will win the election for him. Not if he isn't willing to put in the effort for it. No we're not freaking out. We're pissed off because we have put in so much effort, scraped together money from our limited sources, and sent it in. We've argued with friends, family, and neighbors. We've never stopped working towards the goal of getting our President re-elected, and we're waiting for him to start working towards that goal too.
courseofhistory
(801 posts)winning chaps me to no end! He did not win but too many ingorant (of the issues and actual debate techniques) people say he did without weighing the content of the debate and how Obama had command of the details. Romney's lies and aggressive denails should mean 0 when it comes to scoring the debate but unfortunately in this country, the knock out, superficial reality of game shows and sports wins the day!
FBaggins
(26,744 posts)This isn't a highschool debating club where points are awarded in a dozen categories and it's possible to "win" while not convincing your audience of anything.
Romney went into the debate with almost no chance of winning the election and now he's got about a one-in-three chance.
There's no way to spin that as anything but a clear loss for our side (and the nation).
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)While Romney is getting sworn in to the Oval Office. Shout from the roof tops that he didn't win. Because that attitude, is killing our efforts.