2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSounds like turnout was down again?
MSNBC/Rachel reporting this...
Looking for a link right now, if anyone finds it can you post it?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)A revolution requires....you know.....people?
If turnout is down this shows that his movement is nowhere near a political revolution.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)Are foolish. Obama expanded the electorate. Sanders has not.
BTW, this number is not good long term for Clinton either.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)Neither Sanders nor Clinton attracted new voters or excited the electorate. This could be a big problem for Hillary in the fall.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I can't figure out why it's so much lower?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Harry Reid was smart to lobby for it to be an early state, but primaries increase turnout, which is good for November.
Tuesday should tell us how strong Nevada is as a battleground state in November.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)Caucuses are not democratic at all. It's a terrible way to elect a Presidential nominee.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)I have major issues with both of them but will vote next week regardless because this shit is way to serious & I take voting a lot more serious than many of my peers.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)Democratic Turnout:
2008-120,000
2016-80,000
For Sanders to win there needed to be a large influx of new and independent voters. His campaign did not succeed with this. And this was a big factor as to why Hillary won.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in part because the voters see two acceptable candidates, without a history-making favorite and don't see a bad guy to come out against. ... Hmm?
It's encouraging, actually, that neither Hillary the broad nor Bernie the Jewish DemSoc seemed overly concerning either way. We are the Democratic Party, after all.
We need to remember to check this against the GOP primary turnout. That should tell us something.
JI7
(89,262 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)That's why it doesn't make sense for Bernie to trash Obama.
He's shooting himself in the foot.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)If you can't understand the difference there, then there's nothing I can do for you.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)By implying that Hillary is only "cozying" up to Obama for the Black Vote....
as if Pres. Obama cannot be supported based on his body of work as President,
and that this should be why Democrats of any kind should want to "cozy" up to the leader of the
Democratic party.
http://forums.talkingpointsmemo.com/t/discussion-sanders-accuses-clinton-of-embracing-obama-only-for-black-votes/33155
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)One can be cozy with Obama for his accomplishments.
One can also be cozy with Obama to win black votes.
The two are not mutually exclusive. It is a matter of difference of perspective on Clinton's motivations.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)with electoral college landslides both times. He is 1 of just 4 presidents in US history to win back to back elections with 51% of the vote or more.
Sanders can't shine Obama's shoes. And the faux shine on Sanders really got scruffier up tonight.
840high
(17,196 posts)statement the White House released on this stupid meme.
kenn3d
(486 posts)So one wonders why so many reports of long lines, over-crowded caucus venues, insufficient registration forms, and long delays causing some to leave without participating.
Just coincidence and typically poor organization I suppose.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Let's see how republican turnout is.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)that turnout was higher than '08. That's why there were not enough reg forms etc.
kenn3d
(486 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)There are also allegations of dirty tricks and deception. Reddit user SamBoeres posted a photo of a sign-in sheet at his caucus, precinct 5616, that had a Hillary For Nevada logo. The person passing out the sign-in sheet said it was for the democratic party, despite the obvious campaign logo:
wyldwolf
(43,869 posts)... if we can tear ourselves away from our smart phones and video games." - Youth voters.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)That wave simply isn't here this year.
The enthusiasm gap is very concerning for November.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But yes caucuses are bad.
Red Knight
(704 posts)But...as Thom Hartman pointed out---there are more candidates. They have more GOTV organizations. At least the Dems better hope that's the case. If there is just no support this year we can kiss the White House, Senate and Supreme Court go.