2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPlease post proof of Huerta's "English Only!" claim here.
So far, there are multiple threads making the accusation (smear?) against Sanders supporters, but, not surprisingly given the tenor of the Clinton campaign so far, the threads have neglected to include proof of the allegation. Given the number of cellphones floating around any large gathering of people, the absence of evidence is at least a little Brock-like.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)I didn't hear it. All I heard was the word neutral. Maybe someone else has another video?
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Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Considering Bernie did so well with Hispanic voters. Is Karl Rove running Hillary's campaign?
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Keep impugning Dolores Huerta.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And all of the video proof so far disproves the claim
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)However, anyone with an interest in class politics would give Huerta the benefit of earned credibility. In fact, it should be a measure of one's seriousness.
Broward
(1,976 posts)If so, why would anyone give someone else the benefit of earned credibility over what we see and hear with our own eyes and ears?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I really don't give af how many Latino votes Bernie loses.
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)a n**ger and Barney Frank a f**got when they walked through their mob on their way to the health care reform meeting, and then denied it and demanded proof when they were called out on it.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2010/03/tea_party_protesters_spit_on_black_lawmaker.html
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)It doesn't matter what candidate they support, you can tell when people feel threatened for being sidelined. Me, I want to unite with the folks who consistently defeat the right wing in national elections. They voted for Hillary tonight.
melman
(7,681 posts)keep trying.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)It's working great for my candidate.
frylock
(34,825 posts)if you can point out in this video where someone yelled 'English only'.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Which is turning out to be quite the, how shall we say, exaggeration.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Shameful.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)That is what the fuss was about, there were no people saying "English only", that is a complete falsehood.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I'll donate $100 to Hillary's campaign if you can do that for me.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)There, I said it.
I don't care if Clinton supporters call me nasty things for saying that. People were wanting a politically neutral translator rather than Huerta.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)They wll bank on her history and act shocked that anybody would think that she could lie. Unless there is proof what else can they do?
Bryant
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Have a respected social justice leader make an inflammatory claim about "Bernie Bros" and then accuse anyone questioning the BS of being a bigot.
Clinton does not care of she destroys the credibility all the progressive social movements associated with the Democratic Party as long as she wins. She is playing into the hand of Fascists like Trump.
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senz
(11,945 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)As a person studying a second language, I know it always mystifies me the proper context for the 8 different words I presently know for conversation/talk/dialogue/argument/etc. Is it possible that has happened here?
People I have some respect for tell me she's a stalwart icon so I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt, but there is no evidence yet of ANY 'chanting'. But I don't get the sense of her being a plant or a liar. So...there seems to be a third answer somewhere.
I hope.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Knowing how much the Clintons cheat, I can understand why people would not be trusting.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Would I trust her in this campaign. A neutral translator is the least they could do.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I listened, I didn't hear "speak English," but that doesn't mean someone somewhere out there didn't say that. Whatever.
Wallow around in this until you get tired of it, or move on. Your choice.
LexVegas
(6,088 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Documented evidence shows otherwise.
LexVegas
(6,088 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)The video is upthread.
LexVegas
(6,088 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Loving it.
senz
(11,945 posts)The whole point is to turn them against the ONLY candidate who actually CARES about PoC.
Because you know she can't win fair and square.
LexVegas
(6,088 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)that I and others will ever vote for your severely compromised candidate.
This is a nasty game and you cannot win it.
LexVegas
(6,088 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Hillary does not and never did.
You probably already know that.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)casperthegm
(643 posts)First, if it was said, that's awful and Sanders would obviously denounce it.
Second, there is ZERO evidence to support this claim. The video and audio actually prove otherwise. The only complaint that I've heard is regarding a complaint that someone who is potentially biased in favor of Clinton doing the translating, thus the "neutral" request.
Third, assuming this is yet another smear attempt, I'm out when it comes to the "We're all democrats, let's just make sure we work together to defeat the gop nominee in November. Tired of Hillary. She has to earn my vote and she has fallen woefully short with her track record and her current tactics.
still_one
(92,325 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I will believe my own lying eyes/ears (thank you Jon Stewart--one of my favorite Daily Show lines ever) over her statement. I think tempers are heated and they should have gotten a neutral observer, given the ridiculous behavior of the supporters of both sides. It keeps lies like this (from both sides) from happening. If only we had candidates and supporters who stuck to the issues instead of posting smears. Again, both sides. I'm about *this close* to done with the Dem party.
still_one
(92,325 posts)valid then this is unacceptable"
That leaves the door open, so if the reports are bogus, they come out fine, and if the reports have validity they come out fine because they oppose that kind of behavior from anyone.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Sorry, you're on your own. All of you ( a collective you--not just "you" have done a horrible job here in the Primary forum in stumping for your candidates. I'm sorry. This is a non-issue. Hillary's emails are a non-issue, but y'all have made stupid mountains out of it, and to be honest, it's embarrassing as hell to read.
Again, the Democratic party gets my vote but not my money... until their "support" gets a little bit more mature... on both sides.
Sorry but the fake concern over this rings just as false as the fake concern over Hillary's emails. It's a non thing... and this one didn't even happen so far.
senz
(11,945 posts)They are trying to drive a wedge between Bernie and Hispanics.
Please don't play along.
senz
(11,945 posts)by dirty H campaigners.
Jarqui
(10,129 posts)I don't think so.
senz
(11,945 posts)They are so afraid PoC will see through them; they'll do anything to keep up their phony "firewall."
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Skid Rogue
(711 posts)The clip is too short. There's no context.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Once again tramping a person of color who supports Clinton. The Sanders campaign has got to get a handle on this unacceptable segment of his base.
senz
(11,945 posts)because you know a dirty candidate cannot win honestly.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)so no, we really don't need to do anything since she's already on top.
There's a tiny wing within Camp Sanders that is hateful, and he has readily acknowledged that it is a problem;
Bernie Sanders Tells Berniebros To Knock It Off We Dont Want That Crap
senz
(11,945 posts)She, in her lust for money and power, has been trying to gain the presidency for over a decade while Bernie jumped into the race cold last spring.
That "Berniebros" meme is a lying meme from the Hill camp. It's how they operate.
Bernie supporters believe in the same things Bernie does. I have seen more ugliness from Hill supporters than from anyone but extreme Republicans.
senz
(11,945 posts)If she has been snookered by swindlers into supporting someone like HRC, then I feel very sorry for her.
If she knew the truth, she would vote for Bernie.
jfern
(5,204 posts)It seems that there are a lot of people who are otherwise good people, but when too overboard in their role as a Hillary surrogate.
Beowulf
(761 posts)I found this critique of her current political work on a Chicano blog. I know nothing of the reputation of this blog, so I offer it without comment.
https://siglodelucha.wordpress.com/2014/11/17/the-politics-of-opportunism-and-capitulation-the-myth-of-dolores-huerta
I also found information that the Clinton Foundation contributed $100,000 to the Dolores Huerta Foundation in 2010. Unfortunately, the source is right-wing and the Huerta Foundation website is currently offline so I can't confirm that.
Wait a minute. Here is the Clinton Foundation's 2010 IRS filing. Check out Attachment 11, page 34.
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose," Kris Kristoferson wrote. I'm not intending to be judgemental, simply to state that Huerta, Lewis, Clyburn, and other civil rights/social justice workers chose to work within mainstream politics. After a while they acquired power and material wealth, something they could lose. I admire the work they did and the suffering they endured fighting for social justice, but their social situations are very different today. Power corrupts. We shouldn't be surprised that our heroes and icons are human. But just because they are heroes and icons doesn't mean they are exempt from criticism.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)youceyec
(394 posts)so, yeah. They did not want instructions in Spanish. Same thing I guess.