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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:37 PM Feb 2016

Please post proof of Huerta's "English Only!" claim here.

So far, there are multiple threads making the accusation (smear?) against Sanders supporters, but, not surprisingly given the tenor of the Clinton campaign so far, the threads have neglected to include proof of the allegation. Given the number of cellphones floating around any large gathering of people, the absence of evidence is at least a little Brock-like.

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Please post proof of Huerta's "English Only!" claim here. (Original Post) Karmadillo Feb 2016 OP
Brock-like FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #1
Only Video I Could Find noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #2
Very Curious, Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #3
David Brock... roughly the SAME. AzDar Feb 2016 #8
Please proceed, governor. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #4
well she is not impartial Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #7
You do you! Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #17
It's so wrong to ask for proof. Karmadillo Feb 2016 #11
Major news outlets are confirming with neutral observers. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #18
Does the posted video cover the supposed incident? Broward Feb 2016 #33
Or, just don't. Do what you want. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #36
This reminds me of the day the Tea Partiers spat on Emanuel Cleaver and called John Lewis Tanuki Feb 2016 #44
I'm white, and I know when white folks get in their feelings about privilege. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #50
lol @ "measure of one's seriousness" melman Feb 2016 #55
Please, keep on with whatever you are doing. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #57
I'll donate $100 to Hillary's campaign.. frylock Feb 2016 #21
Not 'someone' - Sanders' supporters plural. Chanting. Matariki Feb 2016 #31
I'm giving a link to this thread to every Latino and Latina friend I have. eom MohRokTah Feb 2016 #5
Thank you. Karmadillo Feb 2016 #12
Which was Brock's intention wasn't it? Losing the Latino vote? Try a smear... AzDar Feb 2016 #14
Yes, how dare people want a POLITICALLY NEUTRAL TRANSLATOR!!! Odin2005 Feb 2016 #15
How about you show us in the video where it happened? frylock Feb 2016 #23
Good, they'll watch the video and scratch their heads like everyone else n/t whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #39
Huerta lied. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #6
so it seems Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #9
That is the comeback though el_bryanto Feb 2016 #13
This is the Clinton strategy of racial divisiveness in full force. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #37
+1000 This whole thing stinks. senz Feb 2016 #60
Is English her native? I mean, is it possible she meant something other than 'chanted'? Shandris Feb 2016 #16
That makes sense. They wouldn't trust her to be honest based on her prior actions against Sanders. Skwmom Feb 2016 #24
I'm Latina and I admire her work, but hell no azmom Feb 2016 #61
I listened to the video at another site. They were shouting neutral. How outrageous. Skwmom Feb 2016 #62
Karmadillo, Hillary's off to SC, and so am I. Hortensis Feb 2016 #10
Please continue to call Dolores Huerta a liar. Please. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #19
Prove it happened. frylock Feb 2016 #25
Like I said, please keep this going. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #27
I'll donate $100 to Hillary's campaign if you can prove it. frylock Feb 2016 #29
You should blast it all over social media. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #34
$200 frylock Feb 2016 #35
Yassss. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #26
Sure you want that. senz Feb 2016 #45
I see the care. John Lewis, James Clyburn and now Huerta do too.nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #46
The more you do this, the less the likelihood senz Feb 2016 #53
The more you do this, the smaller the % of minority votes your man will get. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #54
Bernie Sanders is the ONLY candidate who CARES about PoC. senz Feb 2016 #59
This is the person that slammed Bernie a couple of days ago. Proof of her allegation? Skwmom Feb 2016 #20
Sick of this casperthegm Feb 2016 #28
So are you saying Dolores Huerta isn't being honest? still_one Feb 2016 #30
Yes. I am saying Dolores Huerta isn't being honest. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #32
ok, but It wouldn't hurt any campaign to come out and say "if these alledged reports are still_one Feb 2016 #40
I would rather it not be given any attention, because again, my lying ears. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #43
That's what they want you to say. senz Feb 2016 #48
I think Dolores has been snookered senz Feb 2016 #41
Was she honest when she spoke about Sanders immigration record? Jarqui Feb 2016 #52
Thank you. Sounded like a dirty tactic from a dirty campaign. senz Feb 2016 #38
Shades of the Rep. Lewis episode last week... Bump up against the Clintons, come away SLIMY. AzDar Feb 2016 #49
I'm not sure what's going on there. Skid Rogue Feb 2016 #42
The wheels on the bus go roll, roll, roll Tarc Feb 2016 #47
You WANT to divide Bernie from the people he has supported his entire life senz Feb 2016 #51
She is already winning, and is about to win decisively in the next dozen races Tarc Feb 2016 #64
She, with all her $$ and stuff, barely squeaked by twice & lost in a landslide once. senz Feb 2016 #65
I have always liked and respected Dolores Huerta. senz Feb 2016 #56
Hillary seems to bring out the worst in a lot of people jfern Feb 2016 #66
I'm not so sure. I think she knows exactly what she is doing Beowulf Feb 2016 #68
Snopes got the video - Huerta LIED eom LiberalElite Feb 2016 #58
Snopes: unproven (link here) Electric Monk Feb 2016 #63
they were yelling "NEUTRAL" youceyec Feb 2016 #67

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
2. Only Video I Could Find
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:39 PM
Feb 2016

I didn't hear it. All I heard was the word neutral. Maybe someone else has another video?


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Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
3. Very Curious,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:40 PM
Feb 2016

Considering Bernie did so well with Hispanic voters. Is Karl Rove running Hillary's campaign?

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
18. Major news outlets are confirming with neutral observers.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:48 PM
Feb 2016

However, anyone with an interest in class politics would give Huerta the benefit of earned credibility. In fact, it should be a measure of one's seriousness.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
33. Does the posted video cover the supposed incident?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:58 PM
Feb 2016

If so, why would anyone give someone else the benefit of earned credibility over what we see and hear with our own eyes and ears?

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
44. This reminds me of the day the Tea Partiers spat on Emanuel Cleaver and called John Lewis
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:09 PM
Feb 2016

a n**ger and Barney Frank a f**got when they walked through their mob on their way to the health care reform meeting, and then denied it and demanded proof when they were called out on it.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2010/03/tea_party_protesters_spit_on_black_lawmaker.html

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
50. I'm white, and I know when white folks get in their feelings about privilege.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:12 PM
Feb 2016

It doesn't matter what candidate they support, you can tell when people feel threatened for being sidelined. Me, I want to unite with the folks who consistently defeat the right wing in national elections. They voted for Hillary tonight.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
21. I'll donate $100 to Hillary's campaign..
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:49 PM
Feb 2016

if you can point out in this video where someone yelled 'English only'.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
31. Not 'someone' - Sanders' supporters plural. Chanting.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:56 PM
Feb 2016

Which is turning out to be quite the, how shall we say, exaggeration.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
15. Yes, how dare people want a POLITICALLY NEUTRAL TRANSLATOR!!!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:45 PM
Feb 2016

That is what the fuss was about, there were no people saying "English only", that is a complete falsehood.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
23. How about you show us in the video where it happened?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:51 PM
Feb 2016

I'll donate $100 to Hillary's campaign if you can do that for me.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
6. Huerta lied.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:42 PM
Feb 2016

There, I said it.

I don't care if Clinton supporters call me nasty things for saying that. People were wanting a politically neutral translator rather than Huerta.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
13. That is the comeback though
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:44 PM
Feb 2016

They wll bank on her history and act shocked that anybody would think that she could lie. Unless there is proof what else can they do?

Bryant

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
22. This is the Clinton strategy of racial divisiveness in full force.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:50 PM
Feb 2016

Have a respected social justice leader make an inflammatory claim about "Bernie Bros" and then accuse anyone questioning the BS of being a bigot.

Clinton does not care of she destroys the credibility all the progressive social movements associated with the Democratic Party as long as she wins. She is playing into the hand of Fascists like Trump.

Response to Odin2005 (Reply #22)

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
16. Is English her native? I mean, is it possible she meant something other than 'chanted'?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:45 PM
Feb 2016

As a person studying a second language, I know it always mystifies me the proper context for the 8 different words I presently know for conversation/talk/dialogue/argument/etc. Is it possible that has happened here?

People I have some respect for tell me she's a stalwart icon so I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt, but there is no evidence yet of ANY 'chanting'. But I don't get the sense of her being a plant or a liar. So...there seems to be a third answer somewhere.

I hope.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
24. That makes sense. They wouldn't trust her to be honest based on her prior actions against Sanders.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:51 PM
Feb 2016

Knowing how much the Clintons cheat, I can understand why people would not be trusting.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
61. I'm Latina and I admire her work, but hell no
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:27 PM
Feb 2016

Would I trust her in this campaign. A neutral translator is the least they could do.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Karmadillo, Hillary's off to SC, and so am I.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

I listened, I didn't hear "speak English," but that doesn't mean someone somewhere out there didn't say that. Whatever.

Wallow around in this until you get tired of it, or move on. Your choice.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
45. Sure you want that.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:10 PM
Feb 2016

The whole point is to turn them against the ONLY candidate who actually CARES about PoC.

Because you know she can't win fair and square.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
53. The more you do this, the less the likelihood
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

that I and others will ever vote for your severely compromised candidate.

This is a nasty game and you cannot win it.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
59. Bernie Sanders is the ONLY candidate who CARES about PoC.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:22 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary does not and never did.

You probably already know that.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
28. Sick of this
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:53 PM
Feb 2016

First, if it was said, that's awful and Sanders would obviously denounce it.

Second, there is ZERO evidence to support this claim. The video and audio actually prove otherwise. The only complaint that I've heard is regarding a complaint that someone who is potentially biased in favor of Clinton doing the translating, thus the "neutral" request.

Third, assuming this is yet another smear attempt, I'm out when it comes to the "We're all democrats, let's just make sure we work together to defeat the gop nominee in November. Tired of Hillary. She has to earn my vote and she has fallen woefully short with her track record and her current tactics.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
32. Yes. I am saying Dolores Huerta isn't being honest.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:58 PM
Feb 2016

I will believe my own lying eyes/ears (thank you Jon Stewart--one of my favorite Daily Show lines ever) over her statement. I think tempers are heated and they should have gotten a neutral observer, given the ridiculous behavior of the supporters of both sides. It keeps lies like this (from both sides) from happening. If only we had candidates and supporters who stuck to the issues instead of posting smears. Again, both sides. I'm about *this close* to done with the Dem party.

still_one

(92,325 posts)
40. ok, but It wouldn't hurt any campaign to come out and say "if these alledged reports are
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:06 PM
Feb 2016

valid then this is unacceptable"

That leaves the door open, so if the reports are bogus, they come out fine, and if the reports have validity they come out fine because they oppose that kind of behavior from anyone.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
43. I would rather it not be given any attention, because again, my lying ears.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:09 PM
Feb 2016

Sorry, you're on your own. All of you ( a collective you--not just "you&quot have done a horrible job here in the Primary forum in stumping for your candidates. I'm sorry. This is a non-issue. Hillary's emails are a non-issue, but y'all have made stupid mountains out of it, and to be honest, it's embarrassing as hell to read.

Again, the Democratic party gets my vote but not my money... until their "support" gets a little bit more mature... on both sides.

Sorry but the fake concern over this rings just as false as the fake concern over Hillary's emails. It's a non thing... and this one didn't even happen so far.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
48. That's what they want you to say.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:12 PM
Feb 2016

They are trying to drive a wedge between Bernie and Hispanics.

Please don't play along.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
38. Thank you. Sounded like a dirty tactic from a dirty campaign.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:05 PM
Feb 2016

They are so afraid PoC will see through them; they'll do anything to keep up their phony "firewall."

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
49. Shades of the Rep. Lewis episode last week... Bump up against the Clintons, come away SLIMY.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:12 PM
Feb 2016

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
47. The wheels on the bus go roll, roll, roll
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:12 PM
Feb 2016

Once again tramping a person of color who supports Clinton. The Sanders campaign has got to get a handle on this unacceptable segment of his base.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
51. You WANT to divide Bernie from the people he has supported his entire life
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:14 PM
Feb 2016

because you know a dirty candidate cannot win honestly.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
64. She is already winning, and is about to win decisively in the next dozen races
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:35 PM
Feb 2016

so no, we really don't need to do anything since she's already on top.

There's a tiny wing within Camp Sanders that is hateful, and he has readily acknowledged that it is a problem;

Bernie Sanders Tells Berniebros To Knock It Off — ‘We Don’t Want That Crap’

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
65. She, with all her $$ and stuff, barely squeaked by twice & lost in a landslide once.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

She, in her lust for money and power, has been trying to gain the presidency for over a decade while Bernie jumped into the race cold last spring.

That "Berniebros" meme is a lying meme from the Hill camp. It's how they operate.

Bernie supporters believe in the same things Bernie does. I have seen more ugliness from Hill supporters than from anyone but extreme Republicans.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
56. I have always liked and respected Dolores Huerta.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:20 PM
Feb 2016

If she has been snookered by swindlers into supporting someone like HRC, then I feel very sorry for her.

If she knew the truth, she would vote for Bernie.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
66. Hillary seems to bring out the worst in a lot of people
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

It seems that there are a lot of people who are otherwise good people, but when too overboard in their role as a Hillary surrogate.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
68. I'm not so sure. I think she knows exactly what she is doing
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:21 PM
Feb 2016

I found this critique of her current political work on a Chicano blog. I know nothing of the reputation of this blog, so I offer it without comment.

https://siglodelucha.wordpress.com/2014/11/17/the-politics-of-opportunism-and-capitulation-the-myth-of-dolores-huerta

I also found information that the Clinton Foundation contributed $100,000 to the Dolores Huerta Foundation in 2010. Unfortunately, the source is right-wing and the Huerta Foundation website is currently offline so I can't confirm that.

Wait a minute. Here is the Clinton Foundation's 2010 IRS filing. Check out Attachment 11, page 34.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose," Kris Kristoferson wrote. I'm not intending to be judgemental, simply to state that Huerta, Lewis, Clyburn, and other civil rights/social justice workers chose to work within mainstream politics. After a while they acquired power and material wealth, something they could lose. I admire the work they did and the suffering they endured fighting for social justice, but their social situations are very different today. Power corrupts. We shouldn't be surprised that our heroes and icons are human. But just because they are heroes and icons doesn't mean they are exempt from criticism.

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