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Hillary Clinton needs to denounce Dolores Huerta's lie. (Original Post) Luminous Animal Feb 2016 OP
Yup. I can't believe she thought she could pull that. bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #1
Yep, really brazen ugly attempt to smear Sanders supporters Arazi Feb 2016 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #3
Along of good people are being dragged down into the mud through their work on the Clinton campaign Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #4
After she releases the transcripts farleftlib Feb 2016 #5
never happen Robbins Feb 2016 #6
Yeeeah, buddy! But they just move the goalposts. ebayfool Feb 2016 #7
And each of her supporters need to explain it. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #8
every single one! even though we have never heard complete audio, we should bern her! bettyellen Feb 2016 #49
This is Clinton's MO. Get a respected activist to say something inflamatory about "Bernie Bros"... Odin2005 Feb 2016 #9
As Dolores Huerta is not known as a liar, why would she do that? Hekate Feb 2016 #10
Nope farleftlib Feb 2016 #11
And you're absolutely sure that no one in that whole throng of people said . . . brush Feb 2016 #14
Hahaha! Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #16
Why hahaha? brush Feb 2016 #17
Haha, because Heurta herself has now backtracked. Matariki Feb 2016 #18
Link Please....nt Walk away Feb 2016 #47
Here you go Matariki Feb 2016 #48
This is way too much fun yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #52
How has she back tracked? Walk away Feb 2016 #55
There might have been one person who said anything but Huerta said Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #20
Yes,..someone did say "English Only"... Segami Feb 2016 #21
I agree. I think this "kill the establishment" bullshit feels like Lord of the Flies. bettyellen Feb 2016 #50
Could she not be simply mistaken? Nevernose Feb 2016 #24
It is against caucus rules for the translator to be a partisan Matariki Feb 2016 #12
The video evidence clearly reveals that no one was shouting, "English only!" Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #13
See post #14 brush Feb 2016 #15
I saw the video. I guess I shouldn't believe my lying ears. nt lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #59
Huerta walked it back. Snopes says claim is "false" farleftlib Feb 2016 #19
Just take the high road brush Feb 2016 #22
she will: she'll have to make some "English only" dogwhistles down the road and can't piss them MisterP Feb 2016 #23
Kick. Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #25
Huerta was not allowed to translate. joshcryer Feb 2016 #26
Huerta is not a neutral party. And the moderator, following the rules, Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #32
English only was the result. joshcryer Feb 2016 #35
+1000 bigtree Feb 2016 #39
Then the stupid Democratic Party should have provided neutral translators. Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #41
You have clearly never run a caucus. joshcryer Feb 2016 #43
It the rules dictate neutral translators, surely there is a process for getting them there. Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #44
Ahem. There were PLENTY of people there who could have translated Matariki Feb 2016 #51
Here is the video nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #36
It doesn't matter. English only was the result. joshcryer Feb 2016 #38
The true take away is that the caucus system should be banished from the US nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #40
I think the rhetoric coming from this is dishonest. joshcryer Feb 2016 #42
Sanders supporters were simply following the rules shawn703 Feb 2016 #56
Why exactly would they cheer and welcome Kentonio Feb 2016 #57
Won't happen. warrprayer Feb 2016 #27
She should, but good like with that dream. merrily Feb 2016 #28
A liar denounce a liar? Won't happen. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #29
Simmer down, now! HassleCat Feb 2016 #30
And the lie is now spread far and wide. Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #34
What do you think will come first? Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #31
yes she does Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #33
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141354739 Logical Feb 2016 #37
I honestly don't think it had anything to do with Hillary herself renate Feb 2016 #45
Good luck with that. sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #46
She hasn't even denounced Madeline Albright's comments! And she was given the opportunity at the PBS jillan Feb 2016 #53
Here's the video with the "English only" phrase. brush Feb 2016 #54
That is ONE Latina woman upset that no Sanders supporter got to address the crowd in mhatrw Feb 2016 #62
It appears Obama also faced her wrath back in 08 Kentonio Feb 2016 #58
She could explain what the $100K to Huerta's foundation was for too. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #60
I have not seen even a single Clinton supporter say they believe it was wrong for her to lie. nt Zorra Feb 2016 #61
There'd have to be some kind of advance agreement that the denunciation wouldn't obligate Hillary Karmadillo Feb 2016 #63

Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
7. Yeeeah, buddy! But they just move the goalposts.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

Now it's turning from English! to Sanders people were rude to a living legend.
Can't admit when they are wrong even when faced with video to prove it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511290075



Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
9. This is Clinton's MO. Get a respected activist to say something inflamatory about "Bernie Bros"...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

And then accuse anyone who questions the bullshit of being a bigot who hates said respected activist. It is so transparent and sickening. This shit is dangerous, too, because it plays into popular RW rhetoric of Democrats using the race/ethnicity/gender card to silence people.

Hekate

(90,768 posts)
10. As Dolores Huerta is not known as a liar, why would she do that?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

I think Sra. Huerta tells the truth as she sees it.

As for candidates denouncing people, has Sen. Sanders denounced his supporters who tried to shout down Dolores Huerta for offering to translate someone's speech into Spanish? There's independent confirmation ( from people not connected to either campaign) of a bunch of guys in that crowd yelling, "English only! English only!"

That is some pretty sad "outreach," if you ask me.

brush

(53,815 posts)
14. And you're absolutely sure that no one in that whole throng of people said . . .
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:06 PM
Feb 2016

"English only"?

Not one person, and that Delores Huerta is a liar?

That poor quality video, that hardly captured every voice in that building is your proof that Delores Huerta is a liar?

The Delores Huerta?

Surely you're not going with that?

brush

(53,815 posts)
17. Why hahaha?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

There were a lot of people there.

Best to say video is inconclusive.

And Clinton won by several percentage points so what Huerta said or didn't say hardly was the turning point in the race.

Seems no one here learned from the "Stockholm Syndrome" post that insulted African Americans (who voted overwhelmingly for Clinton in Nevada). Now a revered Latina Activist is being called a liar by Sanders supporters when he really needs to attract POC votes instead of his supporters pushing them away.

On to SC and we'll see if the "liar" strategy works with POC.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
48. Here you go
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:09 AM
Feb 2016
http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

Later on 20 February 2016, Huerta told ThinkProgress that she was able to identify Sanders' supporters as the "room was divided with the Hillary people on one side and the Bernie people on the other." Huerta also elaborated upon the "English only" claim:

“The fellow that was running the caucus said that the first person to come up to the stage could translate, so I went up. Nobody else did,” she said. “Then the Bernie people started yelling no, no, no. One of their people came up, and I suggested we both translate. But the moderator decided we would have no translation. So the Bernie people preferred we would have no translation just because I was going to do the translating. It’s ridiculous, because if I had said something that wasn’t accurate, I’m sure somebody would have corrected me.”


It's against caucus rules to have a partisan translator. Hence the reason the moderator saying no.

A subsequent tweets from Susan Sarandon (who was present at that caucus) provided an account of the dispute in question along with a longer video clip:

Link to the entire vid. The translation ask starts at 53:30 & mod says English Only at 55:18. NO CHANTING. https://t.co/3bxIs9eKJy

As Sarandon correctly stated, the segment in dispute started around the 53:30 mark, when parties called for a Spanish-language translator. As she indicated, at 55:18 the caucus moderator (not Sanders' supporters) simply stated that the inability to locate a neutral translator meant the caucus would continue in "English only." At no point did any Sanders supporters appear to have refused a translator based on the fact that translation was objectionable to them; nor was "English only" used in a pejorative fashion. The term was invoked a single time, during the moderator's assertion that no suitable translator was located to provide Spanish-language translations:

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)
20. There might have been one person who said anything but Huerta said
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie supporterS were SHOUTING ENGLISH ONLY.

Susan Sarandon was there and she tweeted:

Susan Sarandon ?@SusanSarandon 1h1 hour ago
.@AmericaFerrera I was there. Nobody frm Bernie's side said English only. Moderator did when no neutral translator was found@DoloresHuerta


So - Yes THE Delores Huerta - can be mistaken. In rooms with lots of people talking and lots of noise - ANYONE can be mistaken. Even Delores Huerta.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
21. Yes,..someone did say "English Only"...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

but it didn't come from the Bernie group.

“...There were many, many others who could have acted as a translator, but she was being ushered down the aisle. The moderator then said whomever can get to the stage first can translate. Then both sides took issue with that. The moderator at that point then said, ‘Since no agreement can be made, we will proceed in English only.’ That did not come from anyone at the Bernie camp...”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/20/3751830/dolores-huerta-interview/

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
24. Could she not be simply mistaken?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016

That after being told over and over again that Sanders and his supporters were a bunch of racists, that she then believes she heard racism?

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
12. It is against caucus rules for the translator to be a partisan
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016

which is why some people in the crowd were shouting 'neutral'. Apparently the moderator said something about English, so maybe she got confused about what she was hearing.

If she was lying, then she's just dumb and living in a past before ubiquitous cell phones.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
19. Huerta walked it back. Snopes says claim is "false"
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

But we will never hear an apology.

They're still sticking to Bernie Bros disrespected an icon. Still piling on with the swiftboating.

cough*bullshit*cough

brush

(53,815 posts)
22. Just take the high road
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016

Alienating Latino votes is not going to change the Nevada results, but calling a revered activist a liar is going to lose Sanders some votes.

Remember the "Stockholm Syndrome" post by a Sanders supporter that insulted AAs? Well they came out strongly for Hillary in Nevada.

Just let it go and work harder to attract, not push away POC voters.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
23. she will: she'll have to make some "English only" dogwhistles down the road and can't piss them
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:38 PM
Feb 2016

off by suggesting they're Bernistas

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
32. Huerta is not a neutral party. And the moderator, following the rules,
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:17 AM
Feb 2016

acknowledge that and declined Huerta's offer to translate.

These facts do not absolve Huerta of her blatant lie that Bernie supporters were chanting, "English only!"

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
35. English only was the result.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:19 AM
Feb 2016

It doesn't matter to me whether anyone said that, they shut down a translation, she tweets what she felt happened. People are fallible.

Fact remains it was English only and no translation was allowed.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
41. Then the stupid Democratic Party should have provided neutral translators.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:32 AM
Feb 2016

It is not any Bernie supporters fault to accept what is against policy. And for all anyone knows, those few call outs of "neutral" may have been a latina/latino Bernie supporter.


Dolores Huerta
I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only!

https://twitter.com/DoloresHuerta/with_replies

This is a flat out lie. There was zero chanting… even of the word neutral.

From Susan Sarandon's twitter feed:

Link to the entire vid. The translation ask starts at 53:30 & mod says English Only at 55:18. NO CHANTING. https://www.ustream.tv/embed/recorded/83452078?html5ui

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
43. You have clearly never run a caucus.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:48 AM
Feb 2016

The shit is ad hoc volunteer based. Huerta was offering to volunteer her services, but was shot down, another Sanders supporter volunteered next, then they were both going to do it, then the moderator said fuck it and shut the whole thing down.

This is beyond crazy.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
44. It the rules dictate neutral translators, surely there is a process for getting them there.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:58 AM
Feb 2016

It appears the onus is on the moderator. This still does not excuse Huerta's lie which has now been tweeted and retweeted thousands and thousands of times.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
51. Ahem. There were PLENTY of people there who could have translated
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:16 AM
Feb 2016
Erin Cruz, a nurse who traveled from Vermillion, Ohio to volunteer for the Sanders campaign, said she and other Sanders’ supporters shouted “neutral,” not “no” or “English-only.”

“Dolores is a prominent and influential Latina and Hillary supporter should not be allowed to act as translator for the entire caucus as she was clearly for the Hillary camp and was head to toe in Hillary gear,” she said. “There were many, many others who could have acted as a translator, but she was being ushered down the aisle. The moderator then said whomever can get to the stage first can translate. Then both sides took issue with that. The moderator at that point then said, ‘Since no agreement can be made, we will proceed in English only.’ That did not come from anyone at the Bernie camp.”

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
38. It doesn't matter. English only was the result.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:27 AM
Feb 2016

Imagine being an old lady who offered to translate and a mob of people said no, lots of yelling, etc, then the moderator says that since there's no consensus they are moving forward with English only.

If the result was no translations being allowed, at a large event with a big number of Latinos wouldn't you be a bit peeved and take to twitter?

Why is the first assumption that Huerta is some evil liar who must apologize when the caucases she was at was English only? What does it fucking matter? The mob prevented a translation.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
40. The true take away is that the caucus system should be banished from the US
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:31 AM
Feb 2016

but when you are caught making a somewhat false claim, these days of the internet, you will be caught

Myself. I don't care if you are democrat, republican, local pol or national hero. The google makes these lies very easy to debunk anymore. (Why incidentally I expect the power structure to close down the net) We are at the cusp of a new era, and this is the fourth creative truth that gets debunked from this campaign. I take exception to air brushing people from history, or creative smears, I don't care who does it.

And yes. I have a lot of respect for her. and will even go so far as to say that she probably misheard. But truly, the system itself should have had a translator on tap, not a partisan, mind you, ANY PARTISAN. And the caucus system needs to go.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
42. I think the rhetoric coming from this is dishonest.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:41 AM
Feb 2016

The result was what she tweeted, if she got the details wrong that does not indict her as a person. People were yelling against her translation and in the end it was disallowed completely. It was English only.

I don't even think she heard it, I think she heard yelling, then the English only decision was made and out of frustration she went and tweeted out that they shut it down.

The point is that Sanders supporters should be ashamed for shutting it down, as opposed to cheering and welcoming Huerta's translation, which they would've done if they were decent about it. Even someone on the video thought it was stupid to call neutrality. This shit keeps getting crazier.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
56. Sanders supporters were simply following the rules
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:53 AM
Feb 2016

If you and Sra. Huerta have an issue with the rule about neutral rather than partisan translators, take it up with the Democratic Party rather than trying to smear the other side.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
57. Why exactly would they cheer and welcome
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:58 AM
Feb 2016

A dedicated supporter of Clinton who had already participated in attacks on Sanders, who was wearing full Clinton regalia and most of all would have been in breach of caucus rules?

As for what she heard, it doesn't matter a damn. Their effect is that Sanders supporters have been unjustly and unfairly painted as racists. The only decent outcome would have been for her to accept she was mistaken and apologize.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
29. A liar denounce a liar? Won't happen.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:12 AM
Feb 2016

But we can continue calling them liars on social media, and proving how unfit for leadership they are.

renate

(13,776 posts)
45. I honestly don't think it had anything to do with Hillary herself
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:03 AM
Feb 2016

I think it almost certainly was an honest mistake on Ms. Huerta's part that got blown way out of proportion.

However, now that it has been blown (WAY) out of proportion, Hillary really does need to correct this. It would look good and honest for her to do so, plus it's obviously the right thing to do.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
46. Good luck with that.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:16 AM
Feb 2016

Has she ever renounced her husband's calling
Bernie supporters tea partiers?

No way! She holds on to every remark that
puts Bernie and/or his supporters down.

Integrity and honesty are not the most
admired qualities in her campaign, I am
sad to say.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
53. She hasn't even denounced Madeline Albright's comments! And she was given the opportunity at the PBS
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:58 AM
Feb 2016

debate.
Instead she changed the subject. We know how Madam Sec'y feels about women that support Bernie.
This will be no different.





 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
58. It appears Obama also faced her wrath back in 08
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:08 AM
Feb 2016
But United Farmworkers’ Union co-founder Dolores Huerta went further, accusing the Culinary Workers Union of intimidating Clinton supporters and keeping them away from the caucuses. Union leaders are telling Clinton backers if they don’t vote for Obama, “they won’t get transportation, they will be fired,” Huerta said. She also argued that Clinton has a “cultural, political and social relationship with the Latino community, which Senator Obama does not have.” Latinos call Clinton “Hilaria,” Huerta said, adding derisively that they call Sen. Obama “Como se llama?” (as in “What’s his name?”)


http://www.salon.com/2008/01/19/huerta_obama/

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
60. She could explain what the $100K to Huerta's foundation was for too.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:12 AM
Feb 2016

Looks like a pre-payoff to me:

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf

Page 33 at the top. From the Clinton Foundation to the Dolores Huerta Foundation. Cute.

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
63. There'd have to be some kind of advance agreement that the denunciation wouldn't obligate Hillary
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:37 PM
Feb 2016

to denounce her own lies.

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