2016 Postmortem
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(1,681 posts)There is always a video.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
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Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Sad
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)this will jump to the top of her agenda Im sure.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)she has stood by while bill clinton called all of bernie's supporters tea party.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)Now it's turning from English! to Sanders people were rude to a living legend.
Can't admit when they are wrong even when faced with video to prove it!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511290075
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Fair's fair.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)And then accuse anyone who questions the bullshit of being a bigot who hates said respected activist. It is so transparent and sickening. This shit is dangerous, too, because it plays into popular RW rhetoric of Democrats using the race/ethnicity/gender card to silence people.
Hekate
(90,768 posts)I think Sra. Huerta tells the truth as she sees it.
As for candidates denouncing people, has Sen. Sanders denounced his supporters who tried to shout down Dolores Huerta for offering to translate someone's speech into Spanish? There's independent confirmation ( from people not connected to either campaign) of a bunch of guys in that crowd yelling, "English only! English only!"
That is some pretty sad "outreach," if you ask me.
That lie has been debunked:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511290075
brush
(53,815 posts)"English only"?
Not one person, and that Delores Huerta is a liar?
That poor quality video, that hardly captured every voice in that building is your proof that Delores Huerta is a liar?
The Delores Huerta?
Surely you're not going with that?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)brush
(53,815 posts)There were a lot of people there.
Best to say video is inconclusive.
And Clinton won by several percentage points so what Huerta said or didn't say hardly was the turning point in the race.
Seems no one here learned from the "Stockholm Syndrome" post that insulted African Americans (who voted overwhelmingly for Clinton in Nevada). Now a revered Latina Activist is being called a liar by Sanders supporters when he really needs to attract POC votes instead of his supporters pushing them away.
On to SC and we'll see if the "liar" strategy works with POC.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Embarrassing for her.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)The fellow that was running the caucus said that the first person to come up to the stage could translate, so I went up. Nobody else did, she said. Then the Bernie people started yelling no, no, no. One of their people came up, and I suggested we both translate. But the moderator decided we would have no translation. So the Bernie people preferred we would have no translation just because I was going to do the translating. Its ridiculous, because if I had said something that wasnt accurate, Im sure somebody would have corrected me.
It's against caucus rules to have a partisan translator. Hence the reason the moderator saying no.
Link to the entire vid. The translation ask starts at 53:30 & mod says English Only at 55:18. NO CHANTING. https://t.co/3bxIs9eKJy
As Sarandon correctly stated, the segment in dispute started around the 53:30 mark, when parties called for a Spanish-language translator. As she indicated, at 55:18 the caucus moderator (not Sanders' supporters) simply stated that the inability to locate a neutral translator meant the caucus would continue in "English only." At no point did any Sanders supporters appear to have refused a translator based on the fact that translation was objectionable to them; nor was "English only" used in a pejorative fashion. The term was invoked a single time, during the moderator's assertion that no suitable translator was located to provide Spanish-language translations:
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)And who cares what Susan Sarandon has to say about anything?
here you go... http://www.democraticunderground.com/110751706
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)Bernie supporterS were SHOUTING ENGLISH ONLY.
Susan Sarandon was there and she tweeted:
.@AmericaFerrera I was there. Nobody frm Bernie's side said English only. Moderator did when no neutral translator was found@DoloresHuerta
So - Yes THE Delores Huerta - can be mistaken. In rooms with lots of people talking and lots of noise - ANYONE can be mistaken. Even Delores Huerta.
Segami
(14,923 posts)but it didn't come from the Bernie group.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/20/3751830/dolores-huerta-interview/
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)That after being told over and over again that Sanders and his supporters were a bunch of racists, that she then believes she heard racism?
Matariki
(18,775 posts)which is why some people in the crowd were shouting 'neutral'. Apparently the moderator said something about English, so maybe she got confused about what she was hearing.
If she was lying, then she's just dumb and living in a past before ubiquitous cell phones.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)brush
(53,815 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)But we will never hear an apology.
They're still sticking to Bernie Bros disrespected an icon. Still piling on with the swiftboating.
cough*bullshit*cough
brush
(53,815 posts)Alienating Latino votes is not going to change the Nevada results, but calling a revered activist a liar is going to lose Sanders some votes.
Remember the "Stockholm Syndrome" post by a Sanders supporter that insulted AAs? Well they came out strongly for Hillary in Nevada.
Just let it go and work harder to attract, not push away POC voters.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)off by suggesting they're Bernistas
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)The "supporters" that raised a stink need to apologize.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)acknowledge that and declined Huerta's offer to translate.
These facts do not absolve Huerta of her blatant lie that Bernie supporters were chanting, "English only!"
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)It doesn't matter to me whether anyone said that, they shut down a translation, she tweets what she felt happened. People are fallible.
Fact remains it was English only and no translation was allowed.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)It is not any Bernie supporters fault to accept what is against policy. And for all anyone knows, those few call outs of "neutral" may have been a latina/latino Bernie supporter.
Dolores Huerta
I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only!
https://twitter.com/DoloresHuerta/with_replies
This is a flat out lie. There was zero chanting
even of the word neutral.
From Susan Sarandon's twitter feed:
Link to the entire vid. The translation ask starts at 53:30 & mod says English Only at 55:18. NO CHANTING. https://www.ustream.tv/embed/recorded/83452078?html5ui
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)The shit is ad hoc volunteer based. Huerta was offering to volunteer her services, but was shot down, another Sanders supporter volunteered next, then they were both going to do it, then the moderator said fuck it and shut the whole thing down.
This is beyond crazy.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)It appears the onus is on the moderator. This still does not excuse Huerta's lie which has now been tweeted and retweeted thousands and thousands of times.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Dolores is a prominent and influential Latina and Hillary supporter should not be allowed to act as translator for the entire caucus as she was clearly for the Hillary camp and was head to toe in Hillary gear, she said. There were many, many others who could have acted as a translator, but she was being ushered down the aisle. The moderator then said whomever can get to the stage first can translate. Then both sides took issue with that. The moderator at that point then said, Since no agreement can be made, we will proceed in English only. That did not come from anyone at the Bernie camp.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)None said ENGLISH ONLY
Only NEUTRO and NEUTRAL
Which incidentally is a good call in these situations.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Imagine being an old lady who offered to translate and a mob of people said no, lots of yelling, etc, then the moderator says that since there's no consensus they are moving forward with English only.
If the result was no translations being allowed, at a large event with a big number of Latinos wouldn't you be a bit peeved and take to twitter?
Why is the first assumption that Huerta is some evil liar who must apologize when the caucases she was at was English only? What does it fucking matter? The mob prevented a translation.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but when you are caught making a somewhat false claim, these days of the internet, you will be caught
Myself. I don't care if you are democrat, republican, local pol or national hero. The google makes these lies very easy to debunk anymore. (Why incidentally I expect the power structure to close down the net) We are at the cusp of a new era, and this is the fourth creative truth that gets debunked from this campaign. I take exception to air brushing people from history, or creative smears, I don't care who does it.
And yes. I have a lot of respect for her. and will even go so far as to say that she probably misheard. But truly, the system itself should have had a translator on tap, not a partisan, mind you, ANY PARTISAN. And the caucus system needs to go.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)The result was what she tweeted, if she got the details wrong that does not indict her as a person. People were yelling against her translation and in the end it was disallowed completely. It was English only.
I don't even think she heard it, I think she heard yelling, then the English only decision was made and out of frustration she went and tweeted out that they shut it down.
The point is that Sanders supporters should be ashamed for shutting it down, as opposed to cheering and welcoming Huerta's translation, which they would've done if they were decent about it. Even someone on the video thought it was stupid to call neutrality. This shit keeps getting crazier.
shawn703
(2,702 posts)If you and Sra. Huerta have an issue with the rule about neutral rather than partisan translators, take it up with the Democratic Party rather than trying to smear the other side.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)A dedicated supporter of Clinton who had already participated in attacks on Sanders, who was wearing full Clinton regalia and most of all would have been in breach of caucus rules?
As for what she heard, it doesn't matter a damn. Their effect is that Sanders supporters have been unjustly and unfairly painted as racists. The only decent outcome would have been for her to accept she was mistaken and apologize.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)I see you still have some sort of faith.
My deepest sympathy.
merrily
(45,251 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)But we can continue calling them liars on social media, and proving how unfit for leadership they are.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)In the excitement of the moment, Huerta made a mistake. Not a big deal.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Her Goldman Sachs transcripts, or a denounciation on prime time?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)As she was a campaign surrogate of hers
Logical
(22,457 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)I think it almost certainly was an honest mistake on Ms. Huerta's part that got blown way out of proportion.
However, now that it has been blown (WAY) out of proportion, Hillary really does need to correct this. It would look good and honest for her to do so, plus it's obviously the right thing to do.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Has she ever renounced her husband's calling
Bernie supporters tea partiers?
No way! She holds on to every remark that
puts Bernie and/or his supporters down.
Integrity and honesty are not the most
admired qualities in her campaign, I am
sad to say.
jillan
(39,451 posts)debate.
Instead she changed the subject. We know how Madam Sec'y feels about women that support Bernie.
This will be no different.
brush
(53,815 posts)Scroll down to the third video.
Retractat your leisure.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Spanish!
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)http://www.salon.com/2008/01/19/huerta_obama/
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Looks like a pre-payoff to me:
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf
Page 33 at the top. From the Clinton Foundation to the Dolores Huerta Foundation. Cute.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)to denounce her own lies.