2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTHE OFFICIAL DOLORES HUERTA SUPPORT THREAD!
I stand with civil rights legend Dolores Huerta.
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Dolores Huerta has worked to improve social and economic conditions for farm workers and to fight discrimination. To further her cause, she created the Agricultural Workers Association (AWA) in 1960 and co-founded what would become the United Farm Workers (UFW). Huerta stepped down from the UFW in 1999, but she continues to her work to improve the lives of workers, immigrants and women.
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She has received many honors for her activism, including the Ellis Island Medal of Freedom Award (1993) and the Eleanor Roosevelt Award (1998). Huerta, mother of 11 children, was inducted to the National Women's Hall of Fame in 1993.
http://www.biography.com/people/dolores-huerta-188850
LexVegas
(6,087 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Liars will be called out, it is not an attack
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)californiabernin
(421 posts)The attack was on what she did, not on her overall character and achievements. Really, caucuses need to go. so many potential problems.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Now they just said "no no no". Seems to be a theme with a lot of these attacks on Bernie people. The lie always gets more press than the retraction.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)But I guess I can't blame them, it's how Hillary raised them.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)I just don't know if this claim that she made was accurate, totally wrong, or way exaggerated by emotions at the moment.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)I stand with her.
840high
(17,196 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Susan Sarandon ?@SusanSarandon 1h1 hour ago
.@AmericaFerrera I was there. Nobody frm Bernie's side said English only. Moderator did when no neutral translator was found@DoloresHuerta
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/civil-rights-activist-dolores-huerta-sanders-backers-shut-me-down-for-offering-spanish-translation/
What happened is the person who was running the caucus said we need a translator and he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator, she said. So I walked up to the front and then some of the organizers, the Bernie organizers, decided to shout no, no, no. Then a Bernie person stood up and said, I can also do translation. So then the person running the caucus said we wont have a translator.
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"A video posted online on Saturday purports to show Huerta being shouted down by Sanders supporters, but no English-only chants are distinguishable, although one person can be heard yelling, Neutral. Another person can be heard saying Pero necesitamos Español (But we need Spanish) from behind the camera, as well as, Its Dolores Huerta, my goodness. The video can be seen below."
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"However, another attendee at the event has challenged Huertas statements. Erin Cruz told the fact-checking site Snopes that she was at the event along with members of a nurses union as well as actresses Gabby Hoffman and Susan Sarandon, and said that it was the moderator who asked for English-only during the event, and not any Sanders supporter. "
SNOPES: http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)y'all have an unhinged feeding frenzy smearing Bernie supporters, and now we're the ones who should be ashamed... Holy Moly
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)And the luggage store... perhaps the entire luggage factory.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)They think they're Eddie Murphy from Raw talking to Mr. T; once you see the video proof, they're going to whip out the Jedi Mind Trick.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)not now
The time has come when you must stand against the system
Hillary supporters are on the wrong side of history
We have been given a choice and a chance
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Clintons sure are dragging a lot of otherwise good people down into the slime with them.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)On Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
THE OFFICIAL DOLORES HUERTA SUPPORT THREAD!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511291214
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This is total bull shit and has been disproven, why keep posting flame bait that only devides use?
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:51 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yes, her claims that 'Sanders supporters were chanting English only' have been disproven, and she's even had to walk them back now thanks to multiple videotapes providing evidence, but if people want to 'support her', that's their business. Whatever.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Disingenuous. Ms. Huerta lied AND was caught lying. C_D knows this and is using this post as lowball attempt to stir shit. I fully expect jury to leave it since at face value it looks like a thread honoring an advocate for the human rights of immigrants. We see what you did here Cali.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
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Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)I stand with Huerta, Lewis, Planned Parenthood, Human Rights Campaign, Democratic Senators, Democratic Party, and
sister_rosa_refried
(447 posts)She's a gem. A gem! It's a shame how she is being treated by these fools.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Is not shameful
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)That makes it OK in the Clintonista world.
i.e. The end justifies the means.
mcar
(42,366 posts)SunSeeker
(51,629 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Failing so much.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)There were other people there who back Huerta as she recounted it.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I'm at a bar on my phone so can't post links but I've read 2accounts from people who were there that back the original claim.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Convenient you can not link to any. She lied and admitted it.
Logical
(22,457 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Skid Rogue
(711 posts)I believe that beautiful, courageous lady. So happy to be under the bus with you.
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)She was there with Susan Sarandon and she tweeted:
@AmericaFerrera @DoloresHuerta Also, & I noted this while there, the hill side was the one that applauded when he says english only.
Seems like Ms Huerta and Ms Ferrera should have sat on their tweets.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)so I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt that she honestly misheard/misinterpreted what was going on in the chaos.
frylock
(34,825 posts)This is the Clinton campaign in a nutshell. Nothing of substance to be found, just personalities to get wrapped up in. You stand by her, and we'll stand with reality.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)where truth and integrity are not necessary.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Delia Garcia, the woman who originally posted the video, told ThinkProgress she was with union members who needed a translator.
We were with the Culinary Workers, and a good chunk of our supporters wanted a translator, she said. Dolores Huerta started going up there and Bernie supporters started booing, saying, Dont let her get up there.'
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores
So, apparently has Sanders Campaign. Can people stop calling this civil rights icon a "liar" now?
At the link
http://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/701215795938988032/photo/1
cui bono
(19,926 posts)We all know the intent of this OP.
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Come on Bernie supporters don't do this to Dolores Huerta of all people.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)PM Martin
(2,660 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Latino community.
If you make Latinos choose between her and Sanders, he will lose by a mile.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Snopes, exposing lies, myths, and urban legends since 1995.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)yardwork
(61,690 posts)The moderator said "English only" and many in the audience cheered. That's what she says happened. That's what happened.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)Hesiod Theogony @Hesiod2k11
Cesar Chavez visits Dolores Huerta in hospital after she was beaten by police while protesting 1st President Bush
Spazito
(50,408 posts)"Bernie is English only" said more than once.
Here is the link, it is the third video clip down.
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores
There is also a statement from the Sanders campaign which can be found at this link as well.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)This woman is a treasure.
intheflow
(28,494 posts)She's wonderful, but she's human. Humans make mistakes. And when they do, it's okay to call them on it. It doesn't mean the people holding them to accountability dismiss their entire life work and legacy. Honestly, this is what is most disturbing about Clinton supporters. The need to walk in lockstep, to never admit mistakes. the most mean-spirited things I've ever read on DU are coming out the mouths of Clinton supporters this primary season. Y'all have no grace or humility.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)No one on this site has more respect and admiration for Ms Huerta's years of activism than I do. But it is simply a fact that her statement about Sanders' record on immigration was patently and obviously unfair to Sanders. And she should delete her tweet about "English only" now that it has been shown to be mistaken.
If I treated her like some sort of saint that cannot be criticized I would be showing her less respect.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)So, they chose her.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)And I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she misunderstood what she heard yesterday. I do think she should clear up the record though. I also think she should have investigated more before posting that tweet. It is pretty absurd to think that people who are liberal enough to support Bernie Sanders would be the "English only" types in the way she implied. That alone should have made her pause before tweeting. But like I said, I give her the benefit of the doubt and don't believe she deliberately lied.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)The Washington Post published more detail yesterday. She's not backtracking, and she sure-as-fuck sounds like she knows exactly what she heard.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/20/dolores-huerta-says-she-was-shouted-down-with-english-only-chants-from-a-sanders-crowd/
"The person who was running the caucus ... people were saying we need a translator, so he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator," Huerta said. "So I went up to the front to be the translator."
The video above shows that her appearance onstage wasn't so well received. Some Sanders supporters may have been disturbed by the idea of a Clinton supporter interpreting events for the entire crowd. But that doesn't explain everything Huerta said she heard from the crowd.
"It was mostly the organizers," Huerta continued. "The Bernie organizers were shouting, 'No, no, no.' Then a Bernie person stood up and said said, 'No, we need to have it, I can also do translation' or whatever. The person who ran the caucus said, 'Well, we wont have a translator.' The sad thing about this is that some of the organizers were shouting, 'English only! English only!' The Bernie organizers."
Again, this is what Huerta says happened when she tried to interpret from English to Spanish at a Nevada caucus site. The crowd apparently included a large number of Bernie Sanders supporters. And given that much of the Las Vegas strip's workforce is made up of Latino Americans and Latino immigrants, one would expect that some people in the crowd might have wanted to hear Huerta.
Instead, Huerta and actress America Ferrera, an on-the-record Hillary Clinton supporter, both tweeted that Huerta was shouted down with chants of, "English only!"
Sid
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Red Knight
(704 posts)Certain posters do it over and over. They are only dividing and losing the support they'll need later. But keep going. See how that works out for ya.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)She's an honorable woman who has worked her entire life for civil and worker's rights. She was trying to make sure those who spoke Spanish knew what the fuck was going on.
If you find yourself questioning her integrity or accomplishments look them up.
She's a smart, honorable woman whose opinion I and all of us should respect.
If you start questioning where she "went wrong", wondering how she could ever support HRC, maybe instead you should question your own beliefs. Maybe you should examine what right wing bullshit you're buying into.
Maybe it's you.