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While Hillary continues to compulsively...

is more like it. Personally getting in bed with Ailes and Murdoch, while accusing HRC of looking out for the "Billionaire class", is sleazy and utterly cynical, IMO.

He has genuine crossover appeal because his is an economic message that takes back the economy for the 99%.

The mathematics of voting in an ostensibly small-D democratic election are ruthless. GE campaign ads can be expected to shift marginally the votes, by just a percent or two, of only a few people in the center of the political spectrum. Senator BS is far from the mainstream that usually decides Presidential elections by razonr-thin margins.

I fear millenials will riot in Philly in July against HRC, just the way they rioted against HHH in Chicago's Grant Park in 1968. Such naive misbehavior could upset an evenly split General Electorate, with thousands on the cusp between HRC and former House "welfare reformer" John Kasich.

Millenials could be either the margin of a razor-thin Democratic victory, or, as in 1968 a razor-thin Democratic loss. We greyhairs realize intuitively that that is the usual election ballgame, and refrain from supporting anyone who's on the extremes.

Millenials with some grey matter might benefit from googling "median voter", and hitting http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_voter_theory

That he has the guts to stand up to them is an honorable position IMHO.

last year, IMO.

The GE is like the Super Bowl, and Democratic primaries and caucuses are like the playoffs.

What SBS and Tad Devine are doing on the Tea Party Channel IMO is as "honorable" as surreptitiously tampering with the playoff final ball to make it easier to throw and to catch. Just like NE, SBS and his surrogates are trying to cheat their way to the Super Bowl. But unlike NE SBS is destined to lose the Big Game should this trickery manage to get him the nomination in July.

Bernie's big problem with Democrats is among PoC, very few of whom watch FNS.

No, if SBS and his surrogates are going on FNS, the demographic they're trying to reach MUST be white Rs considering crossing over for strategic voting for SBS. For example, Rs who intended to vote for a Clown Car primary candidate yesterday, but did not make it to the polls, have a second chance on th 27th. A primary vote for SBS is equivalent to a GE vote for a generic R, IMO.

Now let me get back to cleaning up Autocomplete damage to the OP.

Bernie goes on Fox and calls them on their bullshit.

There's NOTHING wrong with that.

last Sunday was the first time since Senator BS announced his candidacy last May.

Ask yourself .Why? Why never before on FNS until just before the first open primary?

'For the first time since he announced his candidacy, Bernie Sanders will join Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday."'
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/02/12/bernie-sanders-and-marco-rubio-fox-news-sunday-february-14

posting on a moving bus are not my friends. I think everything is sufficiently readable now thigh I have yet to find and edit in one more link.

according to leading media critic Frank Rich last year:

"Hard as it may be to fathom, Fox Nation is even more monochromatically white than the GOP is, let alone the American nation. Two percent of Mitt Romney’s voters were black. 

According to new Nielsen data, only 1.1 percent of Fox News’s prime-time viewership is (as opposed to 25 percent for MSNBC, 14 percent for CNN, and an average of roughly 12 percent for the three broadcast networks’ evening news."

http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/fox-news-2014-2/index2.html

We Dems are gonna show up and support her should she win. That went really well for president Kerry.

to Ailes, Murdoch, and the Tea Party, IMO. They're colluding with them against HRC and the PoC she listens to and prioritizes issues for, IMO.

What's your alternative explanation for why SBS made his first campaign appearance on FNS last Sunday. Why then? And why his surrogate Devine today?

If an explanation predicts the future successfully, it's scientific, not conspiratorial. I predict SBS and his surrogates won't be able to stay away from Faux over the next month. Watch and see if I'm right and you're just blowing smoke.

Also, what's your explanation for this photo:

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Paranoia isn't a good look my friend.

Turn on Bandwidth/Display images to SEE just above your post that what I'm talking about in this thread is all too real and sad.

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Relax, what you should be worried about is all of the Bernie supporters who've vowed to never vote for Hillary. If a significant amount of Bernie's support stays home Hillary loses.

please read the last paragraph of my "Common sense" post number 19 below.

even the freepers are now getting it that bernie will beat whovever they put up.

in the most ironic turn of events so far, freepers are holding their noses and rooting for hillary. because they want to run against her.

SBS is a "virgin" when it comes to withstanding stentorian Tea Party psy-ops "music" from the mighty Wurlitzer of far-right propaganda and misinformation.

On the other hand, beginning when she was First Lady of Arkansas decades ago, HRC has taken everything they could throw at her, with a smile and brave wit.

So far, SBS actually has BENEFITED from repeated substantial right-wing help against HRC. Tens of millions of dollars has been spent just since Senator BS announced in May, and hundreds of millions more has been spent over the years to accuse HRC of treason, prevarication, misfeasance in office, sexual "deviancy", and even the alleged assassination of Vince Foster.

Starting with the most recent right-wing noise blared HRC's way over the years the "greatest hits" include R-appointed judges' mandates to dribble out, for the benefit of Senator.BS, a few more confidential emails just before every primary or caucus; being grilled by Trey Gowdy and the tax-funded SBS-favoring Benghazi Committee for 11 hours; a pro-SBS phoney controversy about the very same kind of foreign policy emails, never marked "classified", Colin Powell announced recently he had received as SoS; Whitewater; "Travelgate"; "Hillary hair"; etc., etc, ad infinitum.

But all that "Playoffs" LIFT for Senator SBS would melt away should God forbid Senator BS become the Democratic Nominee at the "Super Bowl" July in Philadelphia. HRC would retire, and the full force of the VRWC would be trained on an unvetted Senator BS.

Republican PACs could spend A BILLION DOLLARS or two saturating the media with smears against SBS. The only limit would be 24 hours in a day times the number of TV and radio stations.

Senator BS has provided Madison Avenue with plenty of grist for that mill. For example,

"We will raise taxes, yes we will."

Ads would have thousands of Congressional, State, and local downticket Democrats morphing into the nobody from nowhere. IMO the political DISASTER for Democrats would FAR eclipse the records set by both George McGovern in 1972 and Barry Goldwater in 1964!

President Kasich or whoever from the Clown Car would get to name and confirm USSC replacements for both Antonin Scalia and Ruth Bader Ginsberg. All the voting gains Rep John Lewis and others came inches from death for would be more than reversed. Having a miscarriage could become a Federal felony. The Earned Income Tax Credit and SNAP (food stamps) both would be repealed. The 1935 Social Security Act would be amended to enable workfare for Medicaid eligibility, literally signing a death warrant for tens of thousands of poor people. Etc etc DYSTOPIA!

plus she is swamped with baggage. he is not

if the karl roves of the world are stupid enough to not see reality, i certainly can't help them.

GE preference polls conducted months before conventions and billion-dollar GE campaigns?

Did you even read the post to which you responded?

and yes i read all reply posts.

also, please note in gdp that bernie reiterated today that he is in until the convention.

so it will be up to the people to choose someone whi can beat the gop or not.


have a bernie day!

winning. The democratic party is supposed to be the party of the working class person, but it's not. Both parties are for the elite. The Democrats will give the working class a crumb every now and then but it is sold out to the highest bidder.

Millennials understand and want something better, most of them aren't emotionally connected to either corporate party.

Most 38 and under people are independents.

in an ostensibly small-D democratic election are ruthless. GE campaign ads only can be expected to shift the votes, by just a percent or two, of people in the center of the political spectrum. I fear an evenly split General Electorate, with thousands on the cusp between HRC and former House "welfare reformer" John Kasich.

Millenials could be the margin of a razor-thin Democratic victory, or, as in 1968 a razor-thin Democratic loss. We greyhairs realize intuitively that that is the usual election ballgame, and refrain from supporting anyone who's on the extremes.

Millenials with some grey matter might benefit from googling "median voter", and hitting http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_voter_theory

Sanders and Trump (a repugnant loud mouth asshole) have exposed both parties as being corrupt and sometimes in collusion.

The democratic party is better than the Republican party. I will support Hillary and then switch to independent after the election.

rational calculation I miss from years past at DU.

Like Bernie?

thanks for the morning laugh.

who so openly courted the openly.white Republican primaries vote with smears against another Democrat in right wing media that very few PoC view?

I'm waiting.

it worked well. The only thing is that the black vote was not factored in and much to their surprise the candidate they thought would lose in the GE won. i remember well the faint praise put out by the GOP of the upcoming, young senator and what a contrast he was to the "shrill" "femanazi" They just knew that a young black Senator with virtually no executive experience would not be able to win against a national war hero and hard-hitting, gun-toting GOP woman. Well, that didn't work for them then but it sure stands a better chance to work for them now.

for using your head for more than a hatrack.

So anyone who voted yesterday in the SC GOP primary will not be permitted to vote in the Dem primary. I suspect the vast majority of Republicans already voted so there will likely be little effect.

No sure about the other open primary states but I suspect similar rules apply.

https://votesmart.org/elections/voter-registration/SC#.Vsm49ZwrKHs

IMO. See the photo below.

SC may be a special case. Are there other open D primary or open D caucus states where the DP takes place a week after the RP?

In all such states, some voters may have intended to vote in the R race, but for one reason or another never made it to the polls. There are only so many hours in a day, especially if you have young children.

Those folks have a second chance to participate in SC, an opportunity that may have an even more durect and bigger impact on the GE outcome than a vote in an RP.

Consider especially naive white R millenials, who may envy the excitement of Senator BS's Berniejugend movement:

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I hate the establishment, but will support the candidate I hate in the GE. I cannot stand her she's dishonest and a neocon, but better than the clown show.

name has not been mentioned. Did Marco Rubio bump him at the last minute? Rubio was not listed in the AP talk show guestlist at the first link in the OP.

Did Fox anticipate that only a NV win would make an SBS surrogate newsworthy?

Oh the ignominy, if so!

during the last 5 of FNS, as "Power Player of the Week". This after a segment where Chris Wallace bashed HRC as a divisive liar.

above, and then get back to me here.

But all candidates go on TV to accomplish some campaign objective. If it is some conspiracy by the Fox/GOP axis, I'd simply say that if Clinton were to accept their ongoing invitation to her, they'd put her on anytime.

Sanders is doing it to speak to the Fox audience and perhaps gain some votes, that's par for the course in politics.

Clinton did it in 2008. Obama did it in 2008. Sanders is doing it this year.....Clinton will if she decides there is a need to.

...that they may actually prefer to have Sanders available to vote for in November.

But most of them will never consider voting for Hillary.

Which is another reason they may vote for Sanders in the primary... it's one more way to be sure that Hillary does not become president. If a Dem might win, they'd rather it were Bernie.

post from you, worth considering, but, IMO, unlikely to be happening.

I do think that some millenials on the R side may envy the excitement and camaraderie of "feeling the Bern". But IMO, real 180 degree political turnaround are extremely rare.

"Face the Nation". IMO Kasich is the most Nixon-like cynical and cruel pol in the Clown car. My nightmare scenario is that, as in 1968, millenials will riot in Philly against HRC, and the dystopia I envisioned at the end of my post number 19 above will come into being.