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bigtree

(86,005 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:08 AM Feb 2016

The fingerwagging at the Clinton camp for echoing Huerta's claims is pathetic. Sanders is fine.

That dodge completely disregards the shabby treatment this accomplished woman encountered at the caucus from Sanders supporters. All of this in defense of a politician. Pathetic. Care for nothing but a candidate who lost NOTHING in this incident.

Who the hell here knows what she heard? Huerta was not allowed to interpret and English ended up being the only language used for participants, just because Sanders supporters raised a stink. That nonsense began with Dolores Huerta shouted down from the stage.

And the Snopes ruling of 'false' relies on the Think Progress article where she describes the harsh treatment she received there.


from TP:

“The fellow that was running the caucus said that the first person to come up to the stage could translate, so I went up. Nobody else did,” she said. “Then the Bernie people started yelling no, no, no. One of their people came up, and I suggested we both translate. But the moderator decided we would have no translation. So the Bernie people preferred we would have no translation just because I was going to do the translating. It’s ridiculous, because if I had said something that wasn’t accurate, I’m sure somebody would have corrected me.”

A blurry, barely-audible video claiming to show this confrontation was briefly posted on Facebook by Clinton supporters on Saturday. Actress America Ferrera tweeted earlier on Saturday that people had shouted “English only” at Huerta, which Huerta confirmed.

“The room was divided with the Hillary people on one side and the Bernie people on the other,” Huerta said. “It was really unfortunate, because there were many Spanish-speaking voters, the casino workers. We wanted to make it more comfortable for them, so they could know what was going on.”

Delia Garcia, the woman who originally posted the video, told ThinkProgress she was with union members who needed a translator.

“We were with the Culinary Workers, and a good chunk of our supporters wanted a translator,” she said. “Dolores Huerta started going up there and Bernie supporters started booing, saying, ‘Don’t let her get up there.'”

“I’m so disappointed because Dolores Huerta is a progressive icon in for our community, not just Latinas, but labor, women, everybody — to treat her that way is just not cool,” she said. “I hope it’s an isolated incident.”


There's not much to defend about the conduct of the Sanders people at that caucus. Lashing out at those of us appalled at the treatment she received doesn't address that at all. Sanders is fine. This wonderful woman was the one mistreated here.
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The fingerwagging at the Clinton camp for echoing Huerta's claims is pathetic. Sanders is fine. (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2016 OP
Huerta Lied And Here Is WHY!!! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #1
Keep it up gwheezie Feb 2016 #5
Don't you dare speak out about our sacred cow!!! bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #7
Well, when you've got a sacred bull, I guess seeing sacred cows everywhere makes a kind of sense Hekate Feb 2016 #115
What are you going to do? frylock Feb 2016 #42
Be quiet, huh? MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #141
idiotic bigtree Feb 2016 #6
She lied. frylock Feb 2016 #43
Same old frylock I remember from the olden days. Touching. Hekate Feb 2016 #117
She lied. frylock Feb 2016 #118
Broken record. And you're wrong. Hekate Feb 2016 #121
Documented video/audio evidence and conflicting eyewitness reports... frylock Feb 2016 #122
yep tweets can be deleted Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #129
It's privilege hollerin, yo. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #62
Sure looks like it. The young are ignorant of our history. I blame the schools. Hekate Feb 2016 #119
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #10
You'd think Sanders supporters would applaud a contribution to a true labor leader, and not bash her Hoyt Feb 2016 #21
She lied. frylock Feb 2016 #44
No, she likely has a hearing issue from being yelled at, she's elderly too. Hoyt Feb 2016 #67
She lied and then she took to the largest social media network to spread that lie. frylock Feb 2016 #68
She did not lie. Rabid white people yelling "No, No, No," at her is not much different "No English." Hoyt Feb 2016 #69
Link to her retraction? frylock Feb 2016 #71
No apology is needed, the Icon was shouted at like a dog when she was trying to help. Hoyt Feb 2016 #74
So that gives the icon license to slander Sanders' supporters? frylock Feb 2016 #76
Did they yell while she was trying to help or not? She deserves respect, something a lot of Sanders' Hoyt Feb 2016 #81
Did Sanders supporters chant ENGLISH ONLY? frylock Feb 2016 #86
Did they yell at an 85 year old women trying to help. Hoyt Feb 2016 #87
Fuck this shit. frylock Feb 2016 #88
Good, go harass some other elderly Civil Rights icon simply because they aren't endorsing Sanders. Hoyt Feb 2016 #89
woo woo frylock Feb 2016 #90
You said "Bye" but couldn't resist the last word. Oh the memories. Hekate Feb 2016 #124
Hi! Have a seat. frylock Feb 2016 #126
is it possible that she misheard something? shireen Feb 2016 #34
It's more than possible. Bernie, who is a decade-plus younger, often holds his hand to his ear. Hekate Feb 2016 #123
then she should correct her tweet Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #131
Please. Don't. (Well, of course you can, but I wish you wouldn't.) nt SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #133
It was very disrespectful bravenak Feb 2016 #2
it was disgusting bigtree Feb 2016 #8
Oh my god, it's epic bravenak Feb 2016 #9
Did Bernie supporters chant 'English Only'? think Feb 2016 #12
Did Bernie supporters shout down an elderly woman volunteering to help translate? Hekate Feb 2016 #125
first John Lewis, now Ms. Huerta bigtree Feb 2016 #22
It never stops bravenak Feb 2016 #29
so many slights, so many abuses are fine now with Sanders folks reinventing ethics and morality bigtree Feb 2016 #36
Some might call that a pattern CorkySt.Clair Feb 2016 #64
It is unreal mcar Feb 2016 #82
Why did she lie and say Sanders supporters chanted English Only at her? plus5mace Feb 2016 #3
Did Bernie supporters shout down an elderly woman volunteering to help translate? Hekate Feb 2016 #128
^^^ Clinton campaign talking point to divide us by race. ^^^ bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #4
don't kid yourself bigtree Feb 2016 #11
They're not mutually exclusive. bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #16
This is the biggest crock of shit.... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #28
you say she 'walked it back' not her bigtree Feb 2016 #32
Either a group of 'berniebros' blinded by bernie rage chanted 'english only" as her orginal tweet... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #33
She lied. frylock Feb 2016 #46
Did Bernie supporters shout down an elderly woman volunteering to help translate? Hekate Feb 2016 #127
Why not be a witness yourself? There's an hour-plus of video coverage at the following link ---> Petrushka Feb 2016 #63
Cornell West... Sanders chose him knowing he called Obama "n-word-izzed" uponit7771 Feb 2016 #24
The fuck does that have to do with this discussion? frylock Feb 2016 #47
he flipped allegiance over tickets to the inauguration, so is totally corrupt in the eyes of many. bettyellen Feb 2016 #56
Again, the fuck does that have to do with this discussion? frylock Feb 2016 #57
ugly racial shit- like people screaming for Huerta to "get off the stage" should be denounced. bettyellen Feb 2016 #58
Oh please a link to that if you don't mind. frylock Feb 2016 #59
Still waiting for your proof, betty. frylock Feb 2016 #73
here you go. a bunch of people realizing they have lost that caucus taking it out on bettyellen Feb 2016 #83
Waiting with bated breath to hear from the Berners who actually watch your link. Hekate Feb 2016 #130
Yep. Fucking pathetic. frylock Feb 2016 #45
I caucused today. kiva Feb 2016 #13
She LIED. You're okay with that? AzDar Feb 2016 #14
So, did Bernie supporters shout down an elderly woman? Hekate Feb 2016 #132
Karma to Hillary: desmiller Feb 2016 #15
We need to be that karma. bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #19
HUGE K&R desmiller Feb 2016 #20
I'd like to get to the bottom of what Dave Weigel posted jsmirman Feb 2016 #17
Keeping this alive HassleCat Feb 2016 #18
I disagree...the outrage is not exaggerated on this side. bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #23
This is swiftboating. You cannot sit back and allow it to happen. frylock Feb 2016 #49
Shabby treatment? She lied. Even snopes says she lied. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #25
Snopes relies on what I posted from TP bigtree Feb 2016 #26
Even Delores Huerta says she 'misheard' Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #31
where does she say she 'misheard' bigtree Feb 2016 #37
it appears "misheard" is "some made up bullshit" of yours- is it not? Citation? bettyellen Feb 2016 #55
She either misheard, or she lied. frylock Feb 2016 #72
We are talking about the LIE here- that she admitted she misheard. That is not the truth, is it? bettyellen Feb 2016 #96
Then surely you can point me to her retraction and apology for the mischaracterization? frylock Feb 2016 #97
Snopes says her allegations are............FALSE yep FALSE azurnoir Feb 2016 #54
Did Bernie supporters shout down an elderly woman volunteering to help translate? Hekate Feb 2016 #134
The lesson here is... dchill Feb 2016 #27
I would be surprised if you really were an ally of hers before today. artislife Feb 2016 #30
that's some really special slander bigtree Feb 2016 #38
Slander? The ironing is delicious. frylock Feb 2016 #50
Funny how these posts are in election years. nt artislife Feb 2016 #61
Yep Kalidurga Feb 2016 #66
It followed a clear pattern of race-baiting and lying from the Hillary campaign jfern Feb 2016 #35
coming from the only campaign in this election caught stealing rival data bigtree Feb 2016 #39
Talk about a non sequitor jfern Feb 2016 #41
no more so than your bizzare charge of 'racebaiting, and lying' bigtree Feb 2016 #48
This has everything to do with lying and using race as a wedge. frylock Feb 2016 #51
It's true, though jfern Feb 2016 #52
the Hill camp has been doing both since day one farleftlib Feb 2016 #70
Fuck this shit. frylock Feb 2016 #40
Hillary's campaign has sunk to a new low. Green Texan Feb 2016 #53
And the back story is that it was apparent Hillary was winning, and doing well with Latinos.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #60
The rules call for a non- partisan translator Matt_in_STL Feb 2016 #104
No one has been able to post these rules- the moderator was fine with anyone or two balanced bettyellen Feb 2016 #111
Well fingerwagging is one of the things Bernie does best, but shame on his putative supporters .... Hekate Feb 2016 #65
She lied. Pure and simple. nt Logical Feb 2016 #75
Huerta didn't lie and when did Snopes become wikipedia? ucrdem Feb 2016 #79
Lol, still believe her? Nt Logical Feb 2016 #139
Seriously. Somewhere a turdblossom is checking a list. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #77
"All of this in defense of a politician." dchill Feb 2016 #78
Her treatment yesterday mcar Feb 2016 #80
The Washington Post has more detail... SidDithers Feb 2016 #84
no 'walking back' there bigtree Feb 2016 #85
Thanks Sid. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #94
Thank you Sid. LOVE your Sig Line! Hekate Feb 2016 #138
I don't know what's more embarrassing whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #91
here's a clue about what I'll 'give a rest' bigtree Feb 2016 #98
Whatever actual words they were saying BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #92
The dissonance is strong with this one whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #93
+1... SidDithers Feb 2016 #95
And despite documented video/audio evidence and conflicting eyewitness accounts, no retraction. frylock Feb 2016 #99
Why should she retract anything? BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #100
Did Sander SupporterS chant English only, as she initially claimed? frylock Feb 2016 #101
She said that she heard it. BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #103
How has she earned the right to misrepresent facts? frylock Feb 2016 #105
She lied . TheFarS1de Feb 2016 #107
So, did Bernie supporters shout down an elderly woman? Hekate Feb 2016 #135
She lied. She then walked it back. It happens. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #102
this is rich bigtree Feb 2016 #108
So you agree that Obama intimidated Nevada voters as well? That's what she said in 08. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #110
So, let's be clear about what you're saying; asking for a neutral translator... lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #114
I'm going to say this once bigtree Feb 2016 #116
Still think she heard it? Or realizing she was wrong? Nt Logical Feb 2016 #140
The attempted destruction of two US civil rights icons recalls to mind the Cultural Revolution. Hekate Feb 2016 #136
In 2008 when Huerta said Obama supporters engaged in huge intimidation of Latino voters, Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #106
the intimidation against the employees was real bigtree Feb 2016 #109
They found one case. Huerta speaks of massive, huge and widespread intimidation. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #112
more lecturing from you; zero accounting for the behavior of the Sanders people at the caucus bigtree Feb 2016 #113
By yeilling, "neutral" they might as well yelled "English Only" itsrobert Feb 2016 #120
Thank you Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #137

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
1. Huerta Lied And Here Is WHY!!!
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:09 AM
Feb 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511292568#post5

Above is Delores Huerta Foundation Receiving $100k from Clinton Foundation in 2010

See pdf page 34... There it is! http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf

Hillbots could care less how CORRUPT are the Clintons... pitiful

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
7. Don't you dare speak out about our sacred cow!!!
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:13 AM
Feb 2016

She's a national treasure! Fuck that, she lied and shilled and got busted. Deal with it.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
115. Well, when you've got a sacred bull, I guess seeing sacred cows everywhere makes a kind of sense
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:35 PM
Feb 2016

JURY: Poster is referring to Dolores Huerta as a "sacred cow," as in (quote) "Don't you dare speak out about our sacred cow!!!"
I am using a literary device which parallels the words he uses.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
141. Be quiet, huh?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:50 PM
Feb 2016

Pay no attention to that Super-PAC/Super-delegate/shill/lies...

So, be quite everybody!

Now, assuming everyone falls in line... how do you feel about the way the Clintons are running their good ole American campaign?

Proud as punch? I don't see that as being particularly helpful to any Democrat.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
117. Same old frylock I remember from the olden days. Touching.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

JURY: No insult intended. No prevarication committed.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
121. Broken record. And you're wrong.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:45 PM
Feb 2016

JURY: "Broken record" is a term from Olden Times referring to a vinyl LP played on something called a "record player." When scratched, the needle would bounce back rather than proceeding, resulting in a phrase repeated ad infinitum. Hence the term.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
122. Documented video/audio evidence and conflicting eyewitness reports...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:49 PM
Feb 2016

prove that nobody chanted "English only". Her tweet, which has been retweeted nearly 4000 time, remains at the top of her feed without a retraction or clarification of what actually transpired. She lied.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
119. Sure looks like it. The young are ignorant of our history. I blame the schools.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:39 PM
Feb 2016
And why not blame the schools? Everyone else does.

But ignorance is ignorance, and ignorance can kill. <--- No sarcasm intended.

Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #1)

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
21. You'd think Sanders supporters would applaud a contribution to a true labor leader, and not bash her
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:23 AM
Feb 2016

or the contribution. That's the "sleaze" in all this.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
68. She lied and then she took to the largest social media network to spread that lie.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:33 PM
Feb 2016

She has not retracted that post from twitter. She. Lied.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
69. She did not lie. Rabid white people yelling "No, No, No," at her is not much different "No English."
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:35 PM
Feb 2016

The bashing of Civil Rights icons because they haven't endorsed Sanders is really despicable.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
76. So that gives the icon license to slander Sanders' supporters?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:54 PM
Feb 2016

What other privileges does her status of icon afford her?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
81. Did they yell while she was trying to help or not? She deserves respect, something a lot of Sanders'
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:01 PM
Feb 2016

supporters are opposed to giving even good Democrats.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
86. Did Sanders supporters chant ENGLISH ONLY?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:18 PM
Feb 2016

That's what this is about. Do not change the fucking subject.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
89. Good, go harass some other elderly Civil Rights icon simply because they aren't endorsing Sanders.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:25 PM
Feb 2016

shireen

(8,333 posts)
34. is it possible that she misheard something?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:47 AM
Feb 2016

I mean, she's pretty elderly and the room was quite noisy.

Just wondering ... it could have been a misunderstanding that spiraled out of control.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
123. It's more than possible. Bernie, who is a decade-plus younger, often holds his hand to his ear.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:49 PM
Feb 2016

Thank you for being reasonable, when others are running with this like rabid dogs.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
22. first John Lewis, now Ms. Huerta
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:23 AM
Feb 2016
Joy Reid ?@JoyAnnReid 6h6 hours ago

@WyzeChef first John Lewis, now Ms. Huerta. Ripping down civil rights icons of color and replacing them with a political candidate. Unreal.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
36. so many slights, so many abuses are fine now with Sanders folks reinventing ethics and morality
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:49 AM
Feb 2016

...to suit their defense of their candidate.

Here's the campaign actually caught cheating in THIS election, fired a senior staffer and others, still haven't gotten the full account of their malfeasance, and they want to lecture us on truthfulness.

Apparently, now it's fine with them to run minority icons (and others) down to suit petty defenses of their candidate and campaign. have you seen ANY defense of this woman from the Sanders camp? What the hell do they expect, that we're just going to stand around and watch them beat her down from the caucus to this forum?

mcar

(42,366 posts)
82. It is unreal
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:06 PM
Feb 2016

It is completely possible that some Sanders supporters behaved badly toward Ms. Huerta yesterday. That does not mean that Bernie is bad.

The over the top attacking of this noble woman because she dares to support HRC is just mind boggling. And sad. And a really awful campaign strategy.

plus5mace

(140 posts)
3. Why did she lie and say Sanders supporters chanted English Only at her?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:10 AM
Feb 2016

There is a well developed pattern now. The ratfucking will continue for the entire god damned primary.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
4. ^^^ Clinton campaign talking point to divide us by race. ^^^
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:10 AM
Feb 2016

I'm just going to call this crap out from now on. I encourage everyone to do the same everywhere. That is all this entire post is. A campaign tactic. Don't stand for it any longer.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
11. don't kid yourself
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:15 AM
Feb 2016

...you're not defending against racism, you're defending your candidate's sweet self.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
16. They're not mutually exclusive.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:19 AM
Feb 2016

I'm defending my candidate because the campaign you support smeared him and his supporters yet again, and I'm doing by pointing out that you are pushing a talking point specifically crafted to divide by race. Two birds, one stone.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
28. This is the biggest crock of shit....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:36 AM
Feb 2016

I mean seriously, there is video evidence, eye witness evidence and even the person in question has now walked back what she thought she heard. Lies get called out.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
32. you say she 'walked it back' not her
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:40 AM
Feb 2016

...what I read was an expounding of her earlier claim.

Not one thing in that article said she was 'walking it back.'

She has witnesses corroborating her version, as well.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
33. Either a group of 'berniebros' blinded by bernie rage chanted 'english only" as her orginal tweet...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:45 AM
Feb 2016

...said.

OR she 'misheard' and it was only the moderator not allowing translations since there were no neutrals present as he later statement said. You can't have it both ways. You obviously want to. But you can't.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
56. he flipped allegiance over tickets to the inauguration, so is totally corrupt in the eyes of many.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:31 AM
Feb 2016

but you know having a foundation and accepting donations, OMG this Huerta woman is just horrible, LOL.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
83. here you go. a bunch of people realizing they have lost that caucus taking it out on
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

an 85 year old labor activist. idiots.


starting at 53 minutes in.

https://www.ustream.tv/embed/recorded/83452078?html5ui

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
130. Waiting with bated breath to hear from the Berners who actually watch your link.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:00 PM
Feb 2016

So, did Bernie supporters shout down an elderly woman who has a lifelong history of labor-rights activism? Do they even have a clue who she is and what she has achieved?

kiva

(4,373 posts)
13. I caucused today.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:16 AM
Feb 2016

Have you ever caucused? The temporary and permanent chairs have to be scrupulous about their neutrality. The two chairs at my location were both Hillary supporters and had to step back from that role and make sure everything they did was transparent and observed by a Bernie supporter.

It wasn't Bernie supporters who refused to allow Huerta to translate, it was the person she refers to as the 'moderator' who decided not to have a translator. And I would have also protested if someone who was clearly supporting a candidate was allowed to be the sole translator at a caucus.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
132. So, did Bernie supporters shout down an elderly woman?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:03 PM
Feb 2016

... who has a lifelong history of labor-rights activism? Do they even know who she is?

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
19. We need to be that karma.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:21 AM
Feb 2016

Everyone needs to bring their A game and get Bernie the nomination. I can think of nothing that would hurt her more than to be a two time loser.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
17. I'd like to get to the bottom of what Dave Weigel posted
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:20 AM
Feb 2016
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/701167515234226176

daveweigelVerified account
?@daveweigel
"Sanders surrogates went after Huerta in a conference call today"

I asked him to elaborate and he hasn't and he should.

I would agree with people who think it's not fair to throw that out and not explain himself, but it's hard to believe he would report this frivolously.
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
18. Keeping this alive
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:21 AM
Feb 2016

Both sides would do well to drop this. The account you give is exaggerated, and the outrage from both sides is exaggerated, and the descriptions of bad motives are exaggerated, and... everything about this is blown way out of proportion. We long ago passed the ridiculous on the way to the sublime. Instead of letting it drop, as we should, we're escalating, firing salvo after salvo of selectively culled facts, baseless aspersions, ridiculous phony outrage, and just plain crap.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
23. I disagree...the outrage is not exaggerated on this side.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:24 AM
Feb 2016

The camel can only carry so many straws. This is a ongoing attempt to divide us by race. Its antithetical to everything we should stand for and outrage is a mild word to describe this.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
49. This is swiftboating. You cannot sit back and allow it to happen.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:17 AM
Feb 2016

Get on board, or get out of the way.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
25. Shabby treatment? She lied. Even snopes says she lied.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:27 AM
Feb 2016

No one was shouting English only, that was another fabrication by a Clinton surrogate, like we've come to expect.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
26. Snopes relies on what I posted from TP
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:33 AM
Feb 2016

...which hardly disproves her claims.

So much for the reliability of Snopes.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
31. Even Delores Huerta says she 'misheard'
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:38 AM
Feb 2016

Chants, to the moderator now saying no translations since there was no neutral. I ask again Bigtree, what are you going to believe? The facts, or some made up bullshit that lets you continue to wallow in the mud?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
96. We are talking about the LIE here- that she admitted she misheard. That is not the truth, is it?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
54. Snopes says her allegations are............FALSE yep FALSE
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:25 AM
Feb 2016

CLAIM: Supporters of Bernie Sanders shouted "English only" at civil rights activist Dolores Huerta during one Nevada caucus event, ostensibly objecting to a translation of remarks into Spanish.

FALSE

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
30. I would be surprised if you really were an ally of hers before today.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:37 AM
Feb 2016

It is funny, because there really is so little support for Latinos on this site except for their votes, but not our causes.


I think we are all just votas.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
38. that's some really special slander
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:08 AM
Feb 2016

...which will earn you a hide (as far as I'm concerned) for your posts for the forseeable future. Unfortunate. You have access to a google search.

I'm 55 years old, artislife. My life experience doesn't begin and end with DU.


a few bigtree posts from the past


Feb 20, 2008
Dolores Huerta, co-founder of United Farm Workers with Cesar Chavez, has been stumping for Hillary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4679349


May 30, 2012
Sí, se puede, Dolores Huerta
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002742905

in that post:

May 30, 2012 Lyrics to Corrido De Dolores Huerta :

En Dawson, Nuevo Mexico
El diez de abril
Nacio Dolores Huerta
Nadie se lo imaginaba
Que ella iria encabezar
Parte del gran movimiento
En Stockton, California
Donde ella se crio
Empezo a ver la injusticia
Que el campesino ha sufrido
Sin la representacion
Que una union le daria
Me acuerdo que alla en Delano
El sesenta y dos
Se asocio con Cesar Chavez
Y entre el y la Dolores
Formularon una union
Que llego a cambiar les leyes
Su sentir de mujer
Dirigio por buen camino
Del mejor por venir
Al humilde campesino
Su sentir de mujer
Le presto a la union la fuerza
Te has ganado la flor
De la paz, Dolores Huerta
Despues que organizaron
La gente en la union
Imponieron una huelga
Para hablar de los contratos
Tambien para nagociar
Apuntaron a la Huerta
Cesar Chavez les decia
"Vamos a ganar
Esta huelga sin violencia
La revolucion social
Hay que ganarla con la paz
Derramar sangre no es ciencia"
Y un dia en Arizona
La gente decia
"Ay Dolores, no se puede!"
La Dolores les contesta
"Esto sera nuestro grito
Si se puede! Si se puede!"
Su sentir de mujer
Dirigio por buen camino
Del mejor por venir
Al humilde campesino
Su sentir de mujer
Le presto a la union la fuerza
Te has ganado la flor
De la paz, Dolores Huerta

http://www.lyricsmania.com/corrido_de_dolores_huerta_lyrics_los_lobos.html


In Dawson, New Mexico
The April 10
Dolores Huerta was born
Nobody imagined
That she would go head
Part of the great movement

In Stockton, California
Where she grew up
He began to see the injustice
The farmer has suffered
No representation
That a union would give

I remember there in Delano
Sixty-two
Cesar Chavez was associated with
And between him and the Dolores
Made a union
I get to change their laws
His sense of woman
Headed in the right direction
The best to come
The humble peasant
His sense of woman
Lend strength to the union
You won the flower
Of peace, Dolores Huerta

Then they organized
People in the union
Imponieron strike
To speak of contracts
Also for nagociar
They pointed to the Huerta

Cesar Chavez told them
"We will win
This strike without violence
The social revolution
We must win the peace
Bloodshed is not science "

And one day in Arizona
The people said
"Oh Dolores, you can not!"
The pains are answered
"This will be our cry
Yes we can! Yes we can! "
His sense of woman
Headed in the right direction
The best to come
The humble peasant
His sense of woman
Lend strength to the union
You won the flower
Of peace, Dolores Huerta

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
66. Yep
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:10 AM
Feb 2016

I am a bit sick of one side pretending they care during election years the rest of the time well not so much.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
39. coming from the only campaign in this election caught stealing rival data
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:12 AM
Feb 2016

...essentially cheating. Not the best platform to call anyone else a liar or any other deflection you can conjure.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
48. no more so than your bizzare charge of 'racebaiting, and lying'
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:17 AM
Feb 2016

...no one has to take that nonsense.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
52. It's true, though
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:20 AM
Feb 2016

We are sick of the lying race-baiters. Hillary has earned her 67% not honest and trustworthy rating. Let me guess, you somehow think that it's OK to nominate a candidate who 67% of Americans say isn't honest and trustworthy?

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
70. the Hill camp has been doing both since day one
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:42 PM
Feb 2016

and they keep getting caught, and you keep denying. Nobody is buying it. It looks ridiculous to double down on a debunked lie.

Green Texan

(31 posts)
53. Hillary's campaign has sunk to a new low.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:23 AM
Feb 2016

The desperation form Hillary's campaign and her supporters is way over the top.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
60. And the back story is that it was apparent Hillary was winning, and doing well with Latinos....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:46 AM
Feb 2016

and it obviously pissed off a few assholes. Yelling at Huerta - an 85 year old volunteer - to "get off the stage".

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
104. The rules call for a non- partisan translator
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:05 PM
Feb 2016

The crowd calling for that neutral translator rather than a partisan has nothing to do with winning or losing. It has to do with rules, of which nobody is above. Honestly though, I don't fault you for the bullshit you slam on every one of these threads. It's just how Hillary has raised you.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
111. No one has been able to post these rules- the moderator was fine with anyone or two balanced
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:31 PM
Feb 2016

people, which would have been the responsible thing to do. But the crowd cheered when he caved and said "english only".

Please post a link to "the rule"? And you should maybe try and resist with the personal insults, it really does not speak well of you. I've had about enough of that bullshit.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
65. Well fingerwagging is one of the things Bernie does best, but shame on his putative supporters ....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:29 AM
Feb 2016

...for going after one Civil Rights icon after another. I wonder who's going to be next?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
79. Huerta didn't lie and when did Snopes become wikipedia?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:57 PM
Feb 2016

Totally bogus factcheck for too many reasons to ennumerate.

mcar

(42,366 posts)
80. Her treatment yesterday
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:58 PM
Feb 2016

and the ongoing smearing of her character, is absolutely disgusting and shameful.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
84. The Washington Post has more detail...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/20/dolores-huerta-says-she-was-shouted-down-with-english-only-chants-from-a-sanders-crowd/

The Washington Post's Abby Phillip caught up with Huerta to find out what happened next.

"The person who was running the caucus ... people were saying we need a translator, so he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator," Huerta said. "So I went up to the front to be the translator."

The video above shows that her appearance onstage wasn't so well received. Some Sanders supporters may have been disturbed by the idea of a Clinton supporter interpreting events for the entire crowd. But that doesn't explain everything Huerta said she heard from the crowd.

"It was mostly the organizers," Huerta continued. "The Bernie organizers were shouting, 'No, no, no.' Then a Bernie person stood up and said said, 'No, we need to have it, I can also do translation' or whatever. The person who ran the caucus said, 'Well, we won’t have a translator.' The sad thing about this is that some of the organizers were shouting, 'English only! English only!' The Bernie organizers."

Again, this is what Huerta says happened when she tried to interpret from English to Spanish at a Nevada caucus site. The crowd apparently included a large number of Bernie Sanders supporters. And given that much of the Las Vegas strip's workforce is made up of Latino Americans and Latino immigrants, one would expect that some people in the crowd might have wanted to hear Huerta.

Instead, Huerta and actress America Ferrera, an on-the-record Hillary Clinton supporter, both tweeted that Huerta was shouted down with chants of, "English only!"


It sounds like Huerta heard exactly what she said she heard. She's pretty damn clear on that.

Sid

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
91. I don't know what's more embarrassing
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:32 PM
Feb 2016

Your flailing fuck up last night, or the continuing pathetic attempt to save face. Ffs give it a rest.

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
92. Whatever actual words they were saying
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:32 PM
Feb 2016

and noises they were making were deliberately intended to intimidate her.

She was there and she heard what she heard. There may also have been other chants that were different from what she heard. But if she said that she heard "English only," I give her the benefit of the doubt.

I wasn't there and 99.9% of DUers probably were not there either. But she is someone who has paid her dues and deserves respect. She does NOT deserve shouting and chanting intended to intimidate from any person who claims to be a progressive or a liberal.

That is GOPer behavior.

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
100. Why should she retract anything?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:48 PM
Feb 2016

Were Bernie supporters shouting at her?

Were they chanting at her?

Were they trying to intimidate her?

The answer to all three questions is "yes."

frylock

(34,825 posts)
101. Did Sander SupporterS chant English only, as she initially claimed?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:52 PM
Feb 2016

If she was mistaken, she should clear that up. This moving of goalposts is fucking nonsense. You people have gone from likening us to xenophobic, bigoted assholes on a level with Trump supporters to, oh they were so rude to interrupt her. Hillarians have been using race as a wedge from fucking jump.

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
103. She said that she heard it.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:01 PM
Feb 2016

She was not the only one who did. She has also earned the right to be believed when she says such a thing. I believe her.

Unless an eyewitness was standing right where she was and not hearing the things that she was hearing - which has not been the case, so far at least - there is absolutely no way to show that she was wrong.

"You people" Just

frylock

(34,825 posts)
105. How has she earned the right to misrepresent facts?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:08 PM
Feb 2016

What other privileges does her status afford her? And yeah, YOU people. Team Hillary.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
107. She lied .
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:17 PM
Feb 2016

It's a common human trait that everyone is capable of despite their "status" above other citizenry .

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
135. So, did Bernie supporters shout down an elderly woman?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:28 PM
Feb 2016

One who happens to be a legend in labor rights activism?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
102. She lied. She then walked it back. It happens.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:00 PM
Feb 2016

Even heroes are fallible.

The problem is that your candidates campaign is perfectly happy to cling to and catapult lies that support your "berniebro" narrative.
This sucks because;
1) It's douchebaggery.
2) At one point, a few months ago, it was perfectly imaginable that we might nominate Clinton and preserve the coalition that Bernie cultivated and brought to the party. This potential base of new support has now been squandered by calling us racists and misogynists.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
108. this is rich
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:20 PM
Feb 2016

...from a scorched earth, anti-Hillary campaign which can't seem to find a supporter of Clinton they can bear.

If Sanders manages to gain the nomination, there's little doubt that party regulars and others who make up the Clinton support will rally behind him for the win.

Not so clear what Sanders supporters will do if they lose, many of them outwardly alienating themselves from the Democratic party. That's their responsibility if they care at all about defeating the republican nominee.

The victim thing, deflecting against people calling out clear bigotry by calling them 'race-baiters' and the like has worn thin in this campaign. It's a lame tactic which is as old as the debate over equality itself, used to deflect blame for objectionable acts.

Stop playing the victim and defend against this sort of bullying we saw in this Nevada caucus against this labor rights icon.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
110. So you agree that Obama intimidated Nevada voters as well? That's what she said in 08.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

She makes the same claim now she made about Barack. What about that?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
114. So, let's be clear about what you're saying; asking for a neutral translator...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:29 PM
Feb 2016

...is "clear bigotry"?

Does the projection inherent in accusing Sanders supporters of "the victim thing... which has worn thin" cause any cognitive dissonance?

I get message discipline; I even approve of it to some degree - there are worse things than to be called a one-issue candidate. But when that one issue is how horrible coalition supporting her opponent is, it's reasonable to a) question why she can't come up with something better and b) wonder why they keep with it when they have to walk back each slanderous and easily disproven scummy attack.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
116. I'm going to say this once
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:36 PM
Feb 2016

...you chose to generalize this with a broad brush attack.

you:

The problem is that your candidates campaign is perfectly happy to cling to and catapult lies that support your "berniebro" narrative.
This sucks because;
1) It's douchebaggery.
2) At one point, a few months ago, it was perfectly imaginable that we might nominate Clinton and preserve the coalition that Bernie cultivated and brought to the party. This potential base of new support has now been squandered by calling us racists and misogynists.


me:

The victim thing, deflecting against people calling out clear bigotry by calling them 'race-baiters' and the like has worn thin in this campaign. It's a lame tactic which is as old as the debate over equality itself, used to deflect blame for objectionable acts.


If you really want my answer as to how I view what transpired, read through the thread.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
136. The attempted destruction of two US civil rights icons recalls to mind the Cultural Revolution.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:54 PM
Feb 2016

Scatter the Old world, build the New!
Smash the Four Olds!
Smash the Gang of Four!

Eventually they'll get around to Have fewer Children, raise more Pigs -- but in the meantime, pupil is turning against teacher, the white hairs of age garner no respect, and the survivors of the Long March are suspect. We didn't even get to try letting 100 flowers bloom.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
106. In 2008 when Huerta said Obama supporters engaged in huge intimidation of Latino voters,
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:10 PM
Feb 2016

suppression and oppression of them, said Senator Obama avoided Latinos and had poor judgement and little courage I took issue with her because her words were pure bullshit.

Do you think Obama engaged in huge intimidation of Latinos in 08? One assumes that you do.

2008:A Spanish-language ad praising Obama says Clinton disrespects Latinos; Huerta strikes back, charging Obama supporters with intimidating Clinton voters.

But United Farmworkers’ Union co-founder Dolores Huerta went further, accusing the Culinary Workers Union of intimidating Clinton supporters and keeping them away from the caucuses. Union leaders are telling Clinton backers if they don’t vote for Obama, “they won’t get transportation, they will be fired,” Huerta said. She also argued that Clinton has a “cultural, political and social relationship with the Latino community, which Senator Obama does not have.” Latinos call Clinton “Hilaria,” Huerta said, adding derisively that they call Sen. Obama “Como se llama?” (as in “What’s his name?”)
http://www.salon.com/2008/01/19/huerta_obama/

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
109. the intimidation against the employees was real
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:24 PM
Feb 2016

...so much so, that it resulted in an agreement negotiated by the Clinton camp for the casinos to allow workers this time around to attend the caucuses without retribution or penalty.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
112. They found one case. Huerta speaks of massive, huge and widespread intimidation.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:35 PM
Feb 2016

Her rhetoric against Obama was endless. Much of it dog whistle heavy as well.

I'd never support a candidate who had spoken against the rights of yourself or anyone else. You would. Dolores would. And the ethics that allow you to do that allow all of this aggression and dishonesty about others. Every single week, Clinton Camp is doing personal attacks. I hate that. I don't want my country to be like that.

I would never support a any candidate who had opposed the equality of any minority group. Clinton supporters are eager to support such a candidate. I do not respect that.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
113. more lecturing from you; zero accounting for the behavior of the Sanders people at the caucus
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:52 PM
Feb 2016

...it takes nothing to see this woman was the victim here, not Sanders.

After bullying this 85-year old woman, Sanders supporters got their way and there was NO Spanish translation for participants.

Lecturing me about your subjective view of 2008 changes nothing in that.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
120. By yeilling, "neutral" they might as well yelled "English Only"
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:42 PM
Feb 2016

They knew there was nobody neutral at the caucus.


They used Brownshirt tactics to "shut it down".

Disgusted by their tactics.

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