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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:46 AM Feb 2016

Ever heard of planned chaos?


Chaos is not always just happenstance. You put things in place so chaos can prevail and then you can do whatever you want while chaos reins.

And this applies to more than the Nevada caucuses. Step back and look at the big picture.

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Ever heard of planned chaos? (Original Post) Skwmom Feb 2016 OP
Absolutely correct kathysart_decoration Feb 2016 #1
"this is just politics" gregcrawford Feb 2016 #9
What do W's words and Rove's treachery tell me about the Clinton campaign's standards? Mister Ed Feb 2016 #24
The connection is the fact that Clinton supporters have said the same thing. gregcrawford Feb 2016 #29
Though I haven't heard that myself, I believe you. Mister Ed Feb 2016 #32
AGREED! Total "Engineered" Shenanigans... The Whole Thing NOT Covered By The Media! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #17
It apppears to have been a clusterf@ck. Snarkoleptic Feb 2016 #2
Ah, I see we're on the same page. Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #4
A planned clusterf@ck. Delegates not chosen. My, I'm sure that will accrue to Hillary's benefit. Skwmom Feb 2016 #5
The Caucus cleared out so fast. CdnExtraNational Feb 2016 #13
So they say UglyGreed Feb 2016 #21
That pretty much looks like Ameristan democracy. nt valerief Feb 2016 #27
if you haven't already, watch this clip on the caucuses from TYT Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #3
I watched it. It was chaos but I think it was planned chaos. Skwmom Feb 2016 #6
The same thing that happened at another Caucus shown on CNN CdnExtraNational Feb 2016 #8
K&R Thank for posting Mbrow Feb 2016 #7
Yep. "Be as disorganized, indecisive, and bungling as much aspossible. In the resulting chaos, cheat GoneFishin Feb 2016 #10
The caucus is designed to suppress the vote gyroscope Feb 2016 #11
Planned chaos: Stravinsky! betsuni Feb 2016 #12
Stravinsky's music is exquisite but it ain't chaos. navarth Feb 2016 #15
Indeed. The sentence, "The slimy cousing of Disaster Capitalism" is chaos. betsuni Feb 2016 #16
aieee thanks I'll fix it navarth Feb 2016 #19
The slimy cousin of Disaster Capitalism. nt navarth Feb 2016 #14
Just look at the Middle East UglyGreed Feb 2016 #18
So this Choas could add to the theroy or question INdemo Feb 2016 #20
Point to ANY complaint filed by the Sanders campaign... brooklynite Feb 2016 #22
More fun to point out that Hillary Surrogates say now about Bernie what they said then about Barack Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #28
Damn I forgot about that. JRLeft Feb 2016 #35
Let's just drive a divide between the races. How in the heck do people support this? Skwmom Feb 2016 #36
Great response, thanks dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #40
Pizza is good!!! Bleacher Creature Feb 2016 #23
Thank you. You get it. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #30
Fail....NH is a PRIMARY, not a caucus, big, big difference. Google it. Indepatriot Feb 2016 #33
This is interesting. BeanMusical Feb 2016 #25
. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #26
Speaking of the Bigger Picture fredamae Feb 2016 #31
Pickpockets do the same thing. They divert your attention to something you can't ignore valerief Feb 2016 #34
it is so easy...when i come up behind you and tap you on your left shoulder... islandmkl Feb 2016 #37
Planned Chaos is a concept perpetuated by the Von Mises Institute Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #38
I have stepped back and see you clearly. Pisces Feb 2016 #39
 
1. Absolutely correct
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:13 AM
Feb 2016

I've been thinking about this very issue and wholeheartedly agree with you. I think the other problematic part of this is that it become very difficult to address it because of the chaos being complicated and that makes it difficult to begin unraveling it so you can provide a fix. I think this Nevada caucus, especially, is a primary example and a disgrace of the Democratic party. I am ashamed of what they are doing, though I know the standard reply will be "this is just politics," which is why I so strongly support the Sanders campaign.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
9. "this is just politics"
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:42 AM
Feb 2016

That's what Dubya sneered at McCain after "Turdblossom" Rove concocted a lie about an adopted child in the McCain family. What's that tell you about the Clinton campaign's standards for honesty?

Mister Ed

(5,943 posts)
24. What do W's words and Rove's treachery tell me about the Clinton campaign's standards?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:08 AM
Feb 2016

Well, nothing at all, of course.

Let's keep it real here.

Mister Ed

(5,943 posts)
32. Though I haven't heard that myself, I believe you.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:39 AM
Feb 2016

But if some (apparently anonymous) Clinton supporters have shrugged and said, "hey, it's just politics" in regard to this or that complaint, is that really grounds to equate the Clinton campaign with the Bush/Rove campaign?

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
17. AGREED! Total "Engineered" Shenanigans... The Whole Thing NOT Covered By The Media!
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016

Democratic Party is broken internally at the "leadership" level across the board.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
5. A planned clusterf@ck. Delegates not chosen. My, I'm sure that will accrue to Hillary's benefit.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:37 AM
Feb 2016

Reid has such a machine but this kind of chaos just happens.
 

CdnExtraNational

(105 posts)
8. The same thing that happened at another Caucus shown on CNN
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:42 AM
Feb 2016

Caucus proceeding without people being registered. Not enough registration forms.All seats filled. People waiting outside the door. Reports of long lines of people outside.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
10. Yep. "Be as disorganized, indecisive, and bungling as much aspossible. In the resulting chaos, cheat
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:48 AM
Feb 2016

like hell."

They are using an variation of disaster capitalism. Create disorder and use it as a cover to steal.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
11. The caucus is designed to suppress the vote
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:48 AM
Feb 2016

if you want to make it as time-consuming , frustrating and difficult to vote as possible the caucus is a great way to do it. like Bernie said when voter turnout is high progressives win, when it is low we lose. hence the two party status quo does not want to see high voter turnout and will do everything they can to suppress the vote.


UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
18. Just look at the Middle East
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016

lots and lots chaos and lots and lots of money to be made by those with connections. Who cares if many die and many other lives are destroyed......

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
20. So this Choas could add to the theroy or question
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:51 AM
Feb 2016

Would Hillary accept a final tally knowing it was rigged?
Of course she would.

And Remember the Whole World is watching and laughing//

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
28. More fun to point out that Hillary Surrogates say now about Bernie what they said then about Barack
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:28 AM
Feb 2016

2008, Huerta said Obama supporters engaged in intimidation and voter suppression against Latinos in Nevada. 2016, same thing about Sanders supporters in Nevada....
" Nevada, where she got almost 59 percent of the Latino vote, in spite of the oppression and the voter suppression and huge intimidation on the part of the Obama supporters of the Latino casino workers, they voted for Hillary. "
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on

Huge intimidation. Huge. On the part of Obama supporters. Or more accurately, on the part of anyone who is running against Hillary no matter what the facts are.
She also said Obama lacks courage, lacks judgement and refused to associate with Latinos. It's the same scene, slightly rewritten and inserted into this cycle.

It's far too transparent for the internet age.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
23. Pizza is good!!!
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:05 AM
Feb 2016

If we're just spewing random non sequiturs to voice our feelings on current events, I figured I'd get into the game!

Funny, when Sanders won NH, most Clinton supporters just congratulated him and moved on. I may have missed the passive aggressive insinuations of a conspiracy, but I did mostly follow along.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
25. This is interesting.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:16 AM
Feb 2016
Hillary Clinton Supporters Voting without Registering



Clinton supports caught breaking the rules. This just happened at caucus location in Nevada. Hillary supporters were not registering to caucus, which is NOT allowed by the Democratic Party.

You can even hear one guy say "They will register after this." It's possible these people voting for Hillary aren't even actually from Nevada. This happened on February 20, 2016 during the Hillary Clinton vs. Bernie Sanders caucus in Nevada. Hillary Clinton ended up winning.


Link to the vid with the above text: bit.ly/1oCc7nY

valerief

(53,235 posts)
34. Pickpockets do the same thing. They divert your attention to something you can't ignore
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:47 AM
Feb 2016

and then rob you blind.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
37. it is so easy...when i come up behind you and tap you on your left shoulder...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:01 PM
Feb 2016

which way do you turn and look? what happens in that moment of confusion?....just about anything...

chaos allows you to hide things in plain sight...

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
38. Planned Chaos is a concept perpetuated by the Von Mises Institute
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:25 PM
Feb 2016

A Libertarian Economic Fantasy School

Look them up. They fall between Chuckle-nuts and Scary in the political spectrum.

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