2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClaiming Sander's 'mantle' for Hillary
I mostly read here but this morning's newspaper article irked me.
Co-opting and Say What?!
It cant just be about what were going to give to you; it has to be about what we are going to build together, she said in an unmistakable reference to Sanderss large and expensive plans for government-run health care, college and more.
(Sanders: It's not about me, it's about us)
Airington (a Hilary supporter asked for comment) attributed the closeness of the vote to younger Democrats who were too young to know much about Clintons work during her husbands presidency in the 1990s.
She needs to recalibrate with the millennials and let them know she was for everything Bernie is for before Bernie was, Airington said.
(Righty-O. Goldwater Girl versus being in the trenches for minority rights and dragged off by the police. Could this be a bit of the "Ewww. Obama was a community organizer" meme overlaid on Bernie the protester--Versus Hillary who has seen the light?)
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-defeats-sanders-in-nevada-black-voter-support-appears-decisive/2016/02/20/
FarPoint
(12,424 posts)Realize that MR. Sanders is not an enduring Democrat but only a temporary Democrat for convenience. He is still running for his Senate Seat 2017 as an Independent. That speaks volumes to the incumbent Democratic base and Democratic voting base. He is not invested. ..Currently using the Democratic Party like a late night " booty call". Essentially we like him very much...but there needs to be a commitment on his side.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Giving the Dems the MAJORITY in 2007-08 in the 100th Congress means squat?
Do Independent voters votes count then?
Bernie has done much more for the Dem party than Hilly ever did.
FarPoint
(12,424 posts)A casual Democratic supporter does not invest into the Party. It's like he is a second cousin by marriage... Significant but not an immediate family member...
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)one might ponder what would happen to any other Dem candidate in the GE if Bernie had decided to mount an independent run...
Hillary fans should know...Bill won because of one (Perot) and this time around it would be a Clinton loss...
yin yang, karma, etc. - the ghost of 1992 would re-visit with quite different results for the Clintons...
FarPoint
(12,424 posts)Well, he would not of received all that money from Democratic donors to start with...he knew that from the beginning of his adventure... That is why he claimed his temporary Democratic run for President. He would never of achieved national recognition as an Independent in a Primary.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)he's getting money from people who believe in his message...
it is beyond naive to infer that he would not be raising money if he ran independently...
if being a (D) is the secret to the money, why isn't Hillary garnering as much support from small donors?...and it's not like just a few, is it?
millions of people are donating to Bernie and all your obfuscation cannot revise that fact...
FarPoint
(12,424 posts)He would be in massive debt by now. That is why he is running as a Democrat.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)you might want to check HRC's availability of funds versus Bernie's...you can easily find the information so then maybe you can actually use some facts to try to make your points...
oh, here...I'll give you some reading material:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-clinton-money-20160218-story.html
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)We have to redo all those votes in Congress?
That's going to be news to the Clerk there. Lots of Reps and Senators are going to have to come back and redo all those votes.
And all those caucuses with the Dems, and all those Committee hours he put in with Dems, those will have to be redone too, because they don't count either.
Maybe we could stick to reality for a change.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but his commitment to stopping the right will only be proven eventually by his wholehearted support of the Democratic Party as the largest organization by far fighting takeover by plutocracy, fascism and "corporatism."
This in-party squabbling is a normal part of a primary, but it'll be best for all of us that it end fairly quickly. We need to act as a united force against the antigovernment plotters funding the GOP and its candidates.
cali
(114,904 posts)I just want to see them to away. For good.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)What Arlington said about 'recalibration' is crap. No candidate needs to 'pretend' to something, they simply need to state their positions. If those positions have changed because of pressure from Sanders, well, isn't that a good thing?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)I don't think there is one Sanders millennial who would turnout for her in the GE. Of course, the GE is 8 months away so that could change.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)" Righty-O. Goldwater Girl versus being in the trenches for minority rights and dragged off by the police."
This is so representative of the baseless, desperate things people have to come up with to sustain their negative views. Hillary illustrated her ability to change with new insights and information. She was moved by what she was reading in Amos in Wellesley's Biblical History class. She led the fight establish black recruitment at Wellesley. I was there. Sure she started out as a Goldwater girl. Then she re-directed that passion, growing over her whole life.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Tripe.
And - it wouldn't fit.