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SujiwanKenobee

(290 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:09 AM Feb 2016

Claiming Sander's 'mantle' for Hillary

I mostly read here but this morning's newspaper article irked me.

Co-opting and Say What?!

“It can’t just be about what we’re going to give to you; it has to be about what we are going to build together,” she said in an unmistakable reference to Sanders’s large and expensive plans for government-run health care, college and more.
(Sanders: It's not about me, it's about us)


Airington (a Hilary supporter asked for comment) attributed the closeness of the vote to younger Democrats who were too young to know much about Clinton’s work during her husband’s presidency in the 1990s.

“She needs to recalibrate with the millennials and let them know she was for everything Bernie is for before Bernie was,” Airington said.

(Righty-O. Goldwater Girl versus being in the trenches for minority rights and dragged off by the police. Could this be a bit of the "Ewww. Obama was a community organizer" meme overlaid on Bernie the protester--Versus Hillary who has seen the light?)

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-defeats-sanders-in-nevada-black-voter-support-appears-decisive/2016/02/20/

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FarPoint

(12,424 posts)
1. You just don't get it yet...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:15 AM
Feb 2016

Realize that MR. Sanders is not an enduring Democrat but only a temporary Democrat for convenience. He is still running for his Senate Seat 2017 as an Independent. That speaks volumes to the incumbent Democratic base and Democratic voting base. He is not invested. ..Currently using the Democratic Party like a late night " booty call". Essentially we like him very much...but there needs to be a commitment on his side.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
2. So 26 years voting Dem 98% of the time means squat?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:20 AM
Feb 2016

Giving the Dems the MAJORITY in 2007-08 in the 100th Congress means squat?

Do Independent voters votes count then?

Bernie has done much more for the Dem party than Hilly ever did.

FarPoint

(12,424 posts)
4. He needs to be a participating member too.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:24 AM
Feb 2016

A casual Democratic supporter does not invest into the Party. It's like he is a second cousin by marriage... Significant but not an immediate family member...

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
6. CASUAL? you sure have a high standard for participation...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:30 AM
Feb 2016

one might ponder what would happen to any other Dem candidate in the GE if Bernie had decided to mount an independent run...

Hillary fans should know...Bill won because of one (Perot) and this time around it would be a Clinton loss...

yin yang, karma, etc. - the ghost of 1992 would re-visit with quite different results for the Clintons...

FarPoint

(12,424 posts)
8. Hypothetical scenario such as what if he ran as an Independent...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:35 AM
Feb 2016

Well, he would not of received all that money from Democratic donors to start with...he knew that from the beginning of his adventure... That is why he claimed his temporary Democratic run for President. He would never of achieved national recognition as an Independent in a Primary.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
9. hypothetical yourself...that money isn't flowing to him because of the Democratic Party...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:41 AM
Feb 2016

he's getting money from people who believe in his message...

it is beyond naive to infer that he would not be raising money if he ran independently...

if being a (D) is the secret to the money, why isn't Hillary garnering as much support from small donors?...and it's not like just a few, is it?

millions of people are donating to Bernie and all your obfuscation cannot revise that fact...

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
13. your math comes from what source? he has received how much money from the Party?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:57 AM
Feb 2016

you might want to check HRC's availability of funds versus Bernie's...you can easily find the information so then maybe you can actually use some facts to try to make your points...

oh, here...I'll give you some reading material:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-clinton-money-20160218-story.html

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
7. Oh, so all those votes didn't count?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:35 AM
Feb 2016

We have to redo all those votes in Congress?

That's going to be news to the Clerk there. Lots of Reps and Senators are going to have to come back and redo all those votes.

And all those caucuses with the Dems, and all those Committee hours he put in with Dems, those will have to be redone too, because they don't count either.

Maybe we could stick to reality for a change.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. Bernie's not ready to concede by a long shot,
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:23 AM
Feb 2016

but his commitment to stopping the right will only be proven eventually by his wholehearted support of the Democratic Party as the largest organization by far fighting takeover by plutocracy, fascism and "corporatism."

This in-party squabbling is a normal part of a primary, but it'll be best for all of us that it end fairly quickly. We need to act as a united force against the antigovernment plotters funding the GOP and its candidates.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. Typical Clinton sewer shit politics. Cynical. Disgusting
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:29 AM
Feb 2016

I just want to see them to away. For good.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. I thought Sanders' "backup plan" was to move Clinton further to the left.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:55 AM
Feb 2016

What Arlington said about 'recalibration' is crap. No candidate needs to 'pretend' to something, they simply need to state their positions. If those positions have changed because of pressure from Sanders, well, isn't that a good thing?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
14. Right now
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:00 AM
Feb 2016

I don't think there is one Sanders millennial who would turnout for her in the GE. Of course, the GE is 8 months away so that could change.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
15. Wouldn't it be better to argue about issues?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:24 AM
Feb 2016

&quot Righty-O. Goldwater Girl versus being in the trenches for minority rights and dragged off by the police."

This is so representative of the baseless, desperate things people have to come up with to sustain their negative views. Hillary illustrated her ability to change with new insights and information. She was moved by what she was reading in Amos in Wellesley's Biblical History class. She led the fight establish black recruitment at Wellesley. I was there. Sure she started out as a Goldwater girl. Then she re-directed that passion, growing over her whole life.

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