Nobody will ever make that go away.

Real Democrats are not. The third way is the wrong way.

a seat at the table?

Why should people who defrauded milions of people get a seat at the table, but a pot smoker or dealer get years behind bars in a for profit prison and practically lose his citizenship?

Produce the indictments or you're wrong.

You assume the legal system is impartial. Your logic absolves police killings of innocent civilians, since most DA's will not indict killer cops.

HA!

Goldman Sachs have paid millions in fines as get out of jail ticket for years now.
Jamie Dimon laughs at the regulations, and says arrogantly that he'll be more than happy to pay those pesky fines...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-people-vs-goldman-sachs-20110511

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/apr/24/will-goldman-prove-greed-is-god

http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2011/09/goldman-sachs-as-vast-criminal.html

http://uk.businessinsider.com/jamie-dimon-said-he-could-afford-fines-2015-3?r=US&IR=T


I could write whole essays about how your bankster heroes have screwed up economies and bet on both sides to avoid landing in prison!¨
In fact, I have a blog article from 2013 when I worked in Athens for Norton A/V and how Goldman Sachs helped the Greek government hide it's real value to get into the Euro.

https://bohemianwriter1.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/whats-wrong-with-greece/

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/how_goldman_sachs_profited_from_the_greek_debt_crisis_20150717

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all

Ever heard of HSBC?
My first bank in Belfast when I started working for MSN Microsoft i 2004. Turns out they have a long history of profiting from drug trade. In fact, that's how they built their fortune in Hong Kong. Through forced opium trade with China.
They paid a fine of 2.5 billion USD (if my memory is correct) for laundering drug money and terrorist money.


https://philebersole.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/hsbcs-history-and-the-original-drug-cartel/

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/02/hsbcs-long-history-of-money-laundering-3110192.html

http://www.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/2013/investing-news-for-jan-29-hsbcs-money-laundering-scandal-hbc-scbff-ing-cs-rbs0129.aspx

And what is concerning Chelsea Clinton?`That all those non violent "offenders" be released from the private prison plantations.

Because as we all know, being a PoC and smoking pot is a far greater danger to society than to launder money from drug trade and terrorist organizations.



So why would you have money launderers sitting by the table, and deny people convicted for marijuana their freedom?

how to vote in the primary...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-vampire-squid-tells-us-how-to-vote-20160205


Got any comment?

Kind regards
A veteran

They are a tool, a human creation. They have no more right to a seat at the table than a checking account or automobile.

edit - they are a tool of the capitalist class. They do not work for the citizens of this nation.

eom

It's only power over us is the power of tyranny. The power that you must play their, the capitalist's, game or become homeless and starve to death.

Threats are all they have.

they have the same consequences as people. Bank puts someone out on the street they serve time for theft, their product kills someone then life in prison for management. Won't be seeing that happen so they are not people.

Their shareholders and officers own the table and rent it out to the rest of us on their terms.

eom

In her case, I believe the corporations already bought the table; they own it. Any "negotiations" will be done behind closed doors, with merriment and champagne.

She wants to give them the whole damn table.

They own her seat at the table, and the table as well.....and her house...and her......etc.

and people that support her fall into one of three camps:

1. Blissfully ignorant
2. 1%ers who wish the peasants would just STFU
3. Older women who want to see a woman elected POTUS before they die

Of the 3, it's hard for me to fault those in group 3. As a POC (more accurately "Cs&quot , it was an epic moment in 2008 when President Obama won. I get the emotional component in play. Hard for me to tell you "don't vote for Hillary" if that's your primary motivation. I just wish Elizabeth Warren was in the race, we could both be happy with your choice.

The first group merely needs to understand that Bernie's proposals are infinitely better for them than the status quo Corporatist State that HRC will undoubtedly fight to protect. There is ample evidence from academics and independent economists who believe President Sanders would be far better for the average Amerucan in terms of rising wages and employment.

The second group is really in the wrong party. There aren't that many of them, but their money brings them power within the party structure. If we could get money out of politics, we could jettison these people, or at least reduce their voice to that of every other professed Democrat (I know, I know, an egalitarian pipe dream, but if we don't dream, it will never be).

Hillary's greed is her Achilles Heel. If she had just "scraped by" on her & Bill's 6-figure pensions and 7 (or 8?)- figure book deals, she would be a formidable candidate. But greed, especially for career politicians, is out of style this year. And Hillary is not going to be the next President. No how, no way. Take it all to Vegas and bet on her opponent this November if she gets the nomination.

Over time more and more people (from the group that has not formed a strong opinion) will understand that Bernie is the best option.

I believe that exposure to Bernie affects a certain percentage of people out there. So even debates that he does not "win" from the perspective of media, draw more and more people to him. He is gleaning voters from the fields, so to speak. No one is drawn to Hillary or her ideas.

His slow rise will continue. He is currently still being underestimated by both the Republican and Democratic establishment.

I too was thrilled by Obama.....and if not for the dog-whistle racism that Hill and Bill exhibited in 2008, I might not have been so reluctant to support her this time. But the incredible riches that she and Bill have shoveled into their bank accounts directly from corporations are beyond the pale.

Her claim that she is not beholden to them and her ability to do so with a straight face sets a new standard for shamelessness.

corporations sitting at the table with government, consumers and others. Somehow, we have to figure out how to make this work. I don't believe a bunch of rabid Sanders' supporters sitting at the table are going to do that. Even Scandinavian countries have figured out how to use large multi-national corporations for the good of society.

Different scenario altogether. Like Brad Pitt said, in a movie - The United States is not a country, it is a business.

And we don't have universal healthcare,ss expansion, higher wages, etc. So your claim can be disproved at a glance

in the U.S., the corporations do, as well as most of the people sitting around it. If you think Hillary would bite the hand that feeds her - when she has a re-election campaign to fund in 2020 - well, you and I are just residing in alternate realities.

Hillary is a wholly owned subsidiary of Goldman Sachs and the Wall Street greed machine. Too many progressives and even independent voters are aware of her greed and the benefactors who provide her with the rockstar lifestyle to which she has become accustomed. No how, no way does she win in November if she's the nominee. It could be devastating landslide, setting back the clock 50 years as the Far Right wins every contested office that is remotely close.

She is dishonest and unlikeable. That won't change in 8 months.

and not just turn America over to uncontrolled pig greedy monopolies that have a disdain for the democratic process and see people only as exploitable commodities.

We only count at election time. After she seats her corporatists and banksters, we will be sold down the river as useless pawns. We'll never have a seat at the table with a Clinton in charge. Soon elections will be a thing of the past too. We are hanging off a cliff by the thinnest of stems and soon that will be ripped from our hands too.

In my view Bernie is ok with corporations having a seat at the table he just doesn't want them to own the table and everything else.

We need strong corporations that can create jobs and grow wages. That's what we need. I have no interest in standing in bread lines that someone like Sanders imagines to be ideal. Where do Sanders supporters think tax revenues, jobs, and wages actually come from? Sanders policies would drive out every Fortune 500 company in America and leave us with massive unemployment. On one hand, Sanders supporters believe corporations are evil, on the other hand they think companies will fund all of their freebie programs without hauling ass to Bermuda.

A couple of aryticles you might find of interest regarding sanders willingness and ability to work with business...


"Here’s A LONG List Of Bernie Sanders’ Accomplishments"
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/02/19/heres-a-long-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments-with-citations/


Mayor of Burlington

Voted as one of America’s best mayors by U.S. News & World Report in 1987.

...He won re-election three times, defeating Democratic and Republican contenders.

Caused voter turnout to double during his tenure.

Burlington became the first city in the country to fund community-trust housing under Sanders’ leadership.

He not only balanced the city budget, but undertook ambitious downtown revitalization projects. He even helped bring in a minor-league baseball team to the town, the Vermont Reds.

He sued the town’s local cable franchise and won reduced rates for customers.

Kept a developer from turning important waterfront property into condominiums, hotels, and offices to be used only by the wealthy and affluent. Instead, it was made into housing, parks, and public space. Even today, the area still has many parks and miles of public beach and bike baths, including a science center.

Provided new firms with seed funding, and helped businesses create trade associations. He funded training programs to give women access to nontraditional jobs and even gave special attention to women wanting to become entrepreneurs.




Here's an article that looks back at his experience and accomplishments as Mayor of Burlington. Shows he's a lot more flexible and results oriented than he is portrayed as....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/us/politics/as-mayor-bernie-sanders-was-more-pragmatic-than-socialist.html

As Mayor, Bernie Sanders Was More Pragmatist Than Socialist

Now 74 and the junior senator from Vermont, Mr. Sanders sometimes cites his eight years as mayor as he seeks the Democratic nomination for president. His mayoralty was his only experience as a chief executive, and it showed him to be a leader guided more by practicality than ideology.

The mayor who was quick to condemn millionaires also imposed fiscal discipline here in this laid-back blue-collar university town of 38,000 residents. He used a budget surplus not to experiment with a socialist concept like redistributing wealth but to fix the city’s deteriorating streets. And he oversaw the revitalization of downtown, often working with big business.

Back then, the Democrats were considered the old guard, his adversaries; in many cases, Mr. Sanders aligned himself with Republicans to get things done.

“Even though he talks revolution, he’s an incrementalist,” said Richard Sugarman, a longtime friend and a professor of religion at the University of Vermont. “He knows that things will only be changed little by little, one by one. That’s why he’s been effective.”

Critics on the right said their socialist mayor gave the city a bad image, wasting time on foreign affairs, including trips to Nicaragua and the Soviet Union. At the same time, critics on the left said he compromised too much with business interests and did not go far enough in pursuing socialist ideals. Over the span of his mayoralty, the number of families living in poverty grew — to 798 in 1990 from 563 in 1980, an increase of 42 percent.

Still, he was re-elected three times, each with an increasing share of the vote. Under his watch, Burlington, Vermont’s largest city, cropped up on lists of the best places to live. U.S. News and World Report named him one of the nation’s 20 top mayors in 1987, crediting him with preserving affordable housing, holding the line on property taxes and making a serious push for home rule in a state where cities had little autonomy.

“He learned how to use the levers of local government to improve people’s lives,” said Peter Dreier, a professor of politics and public policy at Occidental College who studied Burlington during Mr. Sanders’s mayoralty.....

Sid

I am against Capitalism, period.