2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWho would an HRC admin will bring in to her Cabinet?
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This is one, if not the primary reason I am concerned about an HRC Presidency.
Who Clinton will bring in the run the white house has not been discussed and I would honestly like to hear from others in both primary camps who they think and why would a Clinton administration bring on in her cabinet.
Hillary advocated and brought in Victoria Nuland as assistant Secretary of State. Victoria Nuland is an interventionist, was Dick Cheney's principal deputy foreign policy adviser, is essentially part of the "Kagen" family business (The founders of Project for a New American Century (PNAC) who gave us the Iraq war and who's policy we have essentially been following in the Middle East).
Can someone convince me why I should not be concerned about who a Clinton administration will bring in as advisors? Seriously I would like to become convinced that there would be moderates in a Clinton war cabinet.
[font size=4]The Undiplomatic Diplomat[/font]
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/18/the-undiplomatic-diplomat/
On a sweltering Tuesday afternoon in June, John McCain was working himself into a lather about the Obama administrations handling of the crisis in Ukraine.
Its so shameful and disgraceful that its hard for me to restrain myself, said the Arizona Republican, ticking off a list of perceived White House missteps.
He was just about to finish an analogy comparing Barack Obama to Neville Chamberlain when a reporter interjected with a new question: What did the senator think about the top U.S. diplomat assigned to the conflict?
McCain paused, and his demeanor changed dramatically.
Im a great admirer of hers, he said of Victoria Nuland, Americas most senior diplomat for Europe. Shes very, very smart.
McCains gushing approval of Nuland is shared by many on Capitol Hill, including large numbers of Democrats. But theres one place where Nuland is far more polarizing: Europe, the very continent where her job requires her to cultivate strong and trusting relationships.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)I am seriously more concerned about the new wave of ideological foreign interventionists than the old crust.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)But he would be on speed-dial and regularly consulted.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)dchill
(38,516 posts)Seriously.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)But of course I would have asked the question in the OP if there was no chance of Hillary winning.
Do you have any thoughts or are you just here to whatabout?
dchill
(38,516 posts)For the first time ever. Think I'll send another $27 right now.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)And truthfully, I think it is a bit early to worry about it.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)Seriously, I would love to see some evidence that there is nothing to be concerned about here. Something she has publically stated would be good. All I have so far is her past choice.
Sanders record has me convinced he would bring in progressive and definitely not traditional elitists voices.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)will your comfort level adjust?
democrank
(11,098 posts)Press Secretary?
newthinking
(3,982 posts)Though I would be comfortable with someone like Krugman (Not my best choice as he is politically oriented but he would be a moderate force), but can she resist the inevitable power play of the corrupt financers? Not so sure?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I just had lunch.
Broward
(1,976 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)Has Hillary indicated anyone not part of the banking cabal?
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)He's got strong stances on "labor" programs as noted here, which are similar views to what Ms. Clinton has.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3026241/it-outsourcing/bloomberg-champions-limitless-h-1b-visas.html
I'm sure if she appoints Debbie Wasserman Schultz as her chief of staff, that she would help shape a cabinet with such selections.
Maybe she'll also appoint Ron Wyden as her Department of Commerce to help her with pushing more "free trade" deals like TPP if we can nominate Kevin Stine for his senate seat instead in May.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)I don't agree with him on everything but he is a voice of moderation in general terms.
Some of the new neoliberals are as crazy as the Republicans in their ideas. Wyden is in general more a realist.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... which could have him serve in a capacity where he's had a good record on protecting people's right to privacy, etc. while Senator, as opposed to the trade deals where he hasn't. If Bernie were to put him on his staff, I think he'd put him in at Homeland Security instead.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)But never let the facts get in the way of a good calumny.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)Why do you think she is so comfortable with Nuland? Have any moderates (who are alive) you think would be a likelier candidate?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)I appreciate your take, really I do.
I wish I did not see these (Wikipedia)
"he played a role in shaping U.S. foreign policy towards Libya, Syria, and Myanmar.[9]"
Sullivan married Margaret Maggie Goodlander, a former speechwriter to Senator Joe Lieberman and senior policy advisor to Senator John McCain,[13][14] in June 2015.[15]
The last one makes me really leary. Are there any choices that are not mixing with neoliberal interventionists? That seems to be the common thread that has us running toward wars and making bad decisions for our future.
He has held a role as a chair at the Bilderburg forum, where it seems that the convergence of Neoliberal/Neocon forces seems to have taken hold. (That is just my own thought). I don't see those groups as evil conspiracies but rather forms of people who become so enamored with their own capabilities that they create disasterous policies. And currently many of these think tanks don't seem to like democracy.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I don't hold myself out as a foreign policy expert but I am aware Myanmar is an example of successful American diplomacy...
There are a host of reasons, many of which are exogenous to American diplomacy, why Libya and Syria are a mess...
John Poet
(2,510 posts)George W. Bush and Dick Cheney into some foreign policy roles.
After all, theirs is about the same as hers.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and the MIC. Probably bring in a few of Whistle Ass's foreign policy advisers just for good measure and keep War Criminal Kissinger on the speed-dial.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)concerns about the dollar and a (vain in my opinion) to keep the dollar propped up.
This is one trouble with getting so enamored with being incredibly wealthy. A world of economic fairness and sound financial policy for everyone would threaten the dollar's current power. Our fundamentals are currently unsustainable without domination. So wealthy democrats find themselves more and more forced to compromise and threaten world war (financial and military) as the world changes.
6chars
(3,967 posts)So crazy it just might work.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Has to be something nice for her.
6chars
(3,967 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)She's so "worried" about all those potheads being released.
Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)...would ask Kerry to stay on and/or also help with a transition. I don't believe she would follow a Cheney-like path.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)Kerry has seemed to me torn between his past and what is in the present. That seems to make him moderate at times against the interests of his own class. He is not an ideologue and that would be welcome. But he would need to change out the ideologues that also have power just below him.
If it happens (Clinton wins) I hope your analysis would be the right one.
Not much has changed since Bush was voted out in terms of real war and DOS FP, it just went out of view. When it comes to the war state there is a huge battle going on and the stakes are so heavy and so far we have proceeded on the same trajectory as Cheney Wolfowitz. That seems to be leading the world to disaster.
Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)...it's going to be a tough road. The Republicans' approach is to show more force... more bombs... more troops... more veterans... more death. At least, the Democrats show more measured use of force. They are capable of thinking about consequences. Clinton, Kerry, Hillary and Obama are fully capable and not afraid of warlike decisions. From Clinton's Kosovo War (now forgotten, but a success) to Obama's drone war, they do it with careful thought. The Republicans think guns and bombs wantonly solve problems - but they create new ones.
Now, on the domestic side, Hillary and the others have always been more "progressive" than they let on... all the Democrats I mentioned. They got ahead of the so-called "Reagan Revolution" by taking control of the Party and steering the country out of the Reagan misdirection. To do that, they put on some wolf clothing. All of them. They're politicians. They were for more "socialism" and gay marriage long before they said so... if Clinton (Bill) had run on that, he would have lost... we moved ahead with Obama. Hillary and Bernie both want to make the next moves.
This is a big election. We've got to stay with the Democrats... Hillary and Bernie will get together by the convention - and lead, hopefully, to victory!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)who would ditch his "conscience of a liberal" in an New York Minute to become Treasurer.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)...she's not going to be elected, because the infinitely wise folks who nominate her forgot about the Republicans and Independents who hate her and would never vote for her.
On the other hand, what would you expect other than bankers and war criminals, just like the rest of them have done?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,188 posts)He's an appropriately sneaky little shit.