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newthinking

(3,982 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:06 PM Feb 2016

Who would an HRC admin will bring in to her Cabinet?

Last edited Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:01 PM - Edit history (1)

This is one, if not the primary reason I am concerned about an HRC Presidency.

Who Clinton will bring in the run the white house has not been discussed and I would honestly like to hear from others in both primary camps who they think and why would a Clinton administration bring on in her cabinet.

Hillary advocated and brought in Victoria Nuland as assistant Secretary of State. Victoria Nuland is an interventionist, was Dick Cheney's principal deputy foreign policy adviser, is essentially part of the "Kagen" family business (The founders of Project for a New American Century (PNAC) who gave us the Iraq war and who's policy we have essentially been following in the Middle East).

Can someone convince me why I should not be concerned about who a Clinton administration will bring in as advisors? Seriously I would like to become convinced that there would be moderates in a Clinton war cabinet.




[font size=4]The Undiplomatic Diplomat[/font]

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/18/the-undiplomatic-diplomat/

On a sweltering Tuesday afternoon in June, John McCain was working himself into a lather about the Obama administration’s handling of the crisis in Ukraine.

“It’s so shameful and disgraceful that it’s hard for me to restrain myself,” said the Arizona Republican, ticking off a list of perceived White House missteps.

He was just about to finish an analogy comparing Barack Obama to Neville Chamberlain when a reporter interjected with a new question: What did the senator think about the top U.S. diplomat assigned to the conflict?

McCain paused, and his demeanor changed dramatically.

I’m a great admirer of hers,” he said of Victoria Nuland, America’s most senior diplomat for Europe. “She’s very, very smart.”

McCain’s gushing approval of Nuland is shared by many on Capitol Hill, including large numbers of Democrats. But there’s one place where Nuland is far more polarizing: Europe, the very continent where her job requires her to cultivate strong and trusting relationships.



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Who would an HRC admin will bring in to her Cabinet? (Original Post) newthinking Feb 2016 OP
Kissinger for Secretary of State? Merryland Feb 2016 #1
Kissinger, if he is involved, would stay behind the scenes newthinking Feb 2016 #4
Way too old. hifiguy Feb 2016 #38
Somebody's gotta manage the Iran War. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #2
Why don't we let her decide that. leftofcool Feb 2016 #3
How about we don't give her the chance. dchill Feb 2016 #6
Then you night want to rev up that revolution and isn't happening. leftofcool Feb 2016 #11
well, so far I see no signs of it abating. It continues to grow newthinking Feb 2016 #13
Yeah. I donated... dchill Feb 2016 #14
On what basis should I be comfortable? newthinking Feb 2016 #7
Your comfort is up to you, not me. leftofcool Feb 2016 #10
When then should it become a consideration? newthinking Feb 2016 #15
then perhaps when we go to Iran DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #35
There has to be a place for that former right-winger....David Brock. democrank Feb 2016 #5
I also see her admin bringing in elite corporatists for economic advisors newthinking Feb 2016 #8
wall street for the economy and a republican for our war department. nt. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #9
Let's not whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #12
Lloyd Blankfein. Broward Feb 2016 #16
CEO of Goldman Sacks? That seems to fall in line. Not what I was hoping to hear though newthinking Feb 2016 #17
Michael Bloomberg as the Secretary of Labor cascadiance Feb 2016 #18
I would not feel bad about Wyden. newthinking Feb 2016 #20
I would rather Wyden be head of Homeland Security though... cascadiance Feb 2016 #23
All the ubdefectibles Clintonistas throygh the times. mylye2222 Feb 2016 #19
Richard Holbrooke would have been her SOS she if was elected in 08. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #21
Unfortunately he is no longer alive newthinking Feb 2016 #25
Jake Sullivan DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #27
His background looks more reasonable newthinking Feb 2016 #30
I don't hold myself out as a foreign policy expert but I am aware Myanmar DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #32
I bet Hillary will bring back John Poet Feb 2016 #22
She'd just scrape the top layer of scum off Wall Street hifiguy Feb 2016 #24
One of the reasons (I believe) that some dems are going Neoliberal are newthinking Feb 2016 #26
Bill as Secretary of State 6chars Feb 2016 #28
Don't forget Chelsea. HassleCat Feb 2016 #29
Treasury 6chars Feb 2016 #34
Liason to the prison-industrial complex? hifiguy Feb 2016 #37
I think she... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #31
Kerry I could accept... Could they find a way to get more moderate assistant? newthinking Feb 2016 #39
I hope so too, but... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #43
Look at her campaugn honchos -- Big Bidness, Wall St. K Street Armstead Feb 2016 #33
and of course, Paul Krugman DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #36
Why are we talking about this? If Clinton is nominated... RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #40
DWS! MisterP Feb 2016 #41
This guy! JRLeft Feb 2016 #42
Gary Gensler at Treasury, definitely. Buns_of_Fire Feb 2016 #44
Corrupt wall street types and pals. cali Feb 2016 #45
Lloyd Blankfein as VP.. Go ahead and get it out in the open. LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #46

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
4. Kissinger, if he is involved, would stay behind the scenes
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:09 PM
Feb 2016

I am seriously more concerned about the new wave of ideological foreign interventionists than the old crust.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
13. well, so far I see no signs of it abating. It continues to grow
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:22 PM
Feb 2016

But of course I would have asked the question in the OP if there was no chance of Hillary winning.
Do you have any thoughts or are you just here to whatabout?

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
15. When then should it become a consideration?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:24 PM
Feb 2016

Seriously, I would love to see some evidence that there is nothing to be concerned about here. Something she has publically stated would be good. All I have so far is her past choice.

Sanders record has me convinced he would bring in progressive and definitely not traditional elitists voices.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
8. I also see her admin bringing in elite corporatists for economic advisors
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:17 PM
Feb 2016

Though I would be comfortable with someone like Krugman (Not my best choice as he is politically oriented but he would be a moderate force), but can she resist the inevitable power play of the corrupt financers? Not so sure?

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
17. CEO of Goldman Sacks? That seems to fall in line. Not what I was hoping to hear though
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:30 PM
Feb 2016

Has Hillary indicated anyone not part of the banking cabal?

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
18. Michael Bloomberg as the Secretary of Labor
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:53 PM
Feb 2016

He's got strong stances on "labor" programs as noted here, which are similar views to what Ms. Clinton has.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3026241/it-outsourcing/bloomberg-champions-limitless-h-1b-visas.html

I'm sure if she appoints Debbie Wasserman Schultz as her chief of staff, that she would help shape a cabinet with such selections.

Maybe she'll also appoint Ron Wyden as her Department of Commerce to help her with pushing more "free trade" deals like TPP if we can nominate Kevin Stine for his senate seat instead in May.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
20. I would not feel bad about Wyden.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:00 PM
Feb 2016

I don't agree with him on everything but he is a voice of moderation in general terms.

Some of the new neoliberals are as crazy as the Republicans in their ideas. Wyden is in general more a realist.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
23. I would rather Wyden be head of Homeland Security though...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:02 PM
Feb 2016

... which could have him serve in a capacity where he's had a good record on protecting people's right to privacy, etc. while Senator, as opposed to the trade deals where he hasn't. If Bernie were to put him on his staff, I think he'd put him in at Homeland Security instead.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
21. Richard Holbrooke would have been her SOS she if was elected in 08.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:00 PM
Feb 2016

But never let the facts get in the way of a good calumny.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
25. Unfortunately he is no longer alive
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:06 PM
Feb 2016

Why do you think she is so comfortable with Nuland? Have any moderates (who are alive) you think would be a likelier candidate?

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
30. His background looks more reasonable
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:25 PM
Feb 2016

I appreciate your take, really I do.

I wish I did not see these (Wikipedia)


"he played a role in shaping U.S. foreign policy towards Libya, Syria, and Myanmar.[9]"

Sullivan married Margaret Maggie Goodlander, a former speechwriter to Senator Joe Lieberman and senior policy advisor to Senator John McCain,[13][14] in June 2015.[15]


The last one makes me really leary. Are there any choices that are not mixing with neoliberal interventionists? That seems to be the common thread that has us running toward wars and making bad decisions for our future.

He has held a role as a chair at the Bilderburg forum, where it seems that the convergence of Neoliberal/Neocon forces seems to have taken hold. (That is just my own thought). I don't see those groups as evil conspiracies but rather forms of people who become so enamored with their own capabilities that they create disasterous policies. And currently many of these think tanks don't seem to like democracy.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
32. I don't hold myself out as a foreign policy expert but I am aware Myanmar
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:31 PM
Feb 2016

I don't hold myself out as a foreign policy expert but I am aware Myanmar is an example of successful American diplomacy...


There are a host of reasons, many of which are exogenous to American diplomacy, why Libya and Syria are a mess...

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
22. I bet Hillary will bring back
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:00 PM
Feb 2016

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney into some foreign policy roles.

After all, theirs is about the same as hers.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. She'd just scrape the top layer of scum off Wall Street
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:06 PM
Feb 2016

and the MIC. Probably bring in a few of Whistle Ass's foreign policy advisers just for good measure and keep War Criminal Kissinger on the speed-dial.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
26. One of the reasons (I believe) that some dems are going Neoliberal are
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:11 PM
Feb 2016

concerns about the dollar and a (vain in my opinion) to keep the dollar propped up.

This is one trouble with getting so enamored with being incredibly wealthy. A world of economic fairness and sound financial policy for everyone would threaten the dollar's current power. Our fundamentals are currently unsustainable without domination. So wealthy democrats find themselves more and more forced to compromise and threaten world war (financial and military) as the world changes.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
37. Liason to the prison-industrial complex?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:46 PM
Feb 2016

She's so "worried" about all those potheads being released.

Mike Nelson

(9,961 posts)
31. I think she...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:30 PM
Feb 2016

...would ask Kerry to stay on and/or also help with a transition. I don't believe she would follow a Cheney-like path.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
39. Kerry I could accept... Could they find a way to get more moderate assistant?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:55 PM
Feb 2016

Kerry has seemed to me torn between his past and what is in the present. That seems to make him moderate at times against the interests of his own class. He is not an ideologue and that would be welcome. But he would need to change out the ideologues that also have power just below him.

If it happens (Clinton wins) I hope your analysis would be the right one.

Not much has changed since Bush was voted out in terms of real war and DOS FP, it just went out of view. When it comes to the war state there is a huge battle going on and the stakes are so heavy and so far we have proceeded on the same trajectory as Cheney Wolfowitz. That seems to be leading the world to disaster.

Mike Nelson

(9,961 posts)
43. I hope so too, but...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:33 AM
Feb 2016

...it's going to be a tough road. The Republicans' approach is to show more force... more bombs... more troops... more veterans... more death. At least, the Democrats show more measured use of force. They are capable of thinking about consequences. Clinton, Kerry, Hillary and Obama are fully capable and not afraid of warlike decisions. From Clinton's Kosovo War (now forgotten, but a success) to Obama's drone war, they do it with careful thought. The Republicans think guns and bombs wantonly solve problems - but they create new ones.

Now, on the domestic side, Hillary and the others have always been more "progressive" than they let on... all the Democrats I mentioned. They got ahead of the so-called "Reagan Revolution" by taking control of the Party and steering the country out of the Reagan misdirection. To do that, they put on some wolf clothing. All of them. They're politicians. They were for more "socialism" and gay marriage long before they said so... if Clinton (Bill) had run on that, he would have lost... we moved ahead with Obama. Hillary and Bernie both want to make the next moves.

This is a big election. We've got to stay with the Democrats... Hillary and Bernie will get together by the convention - and lead, hopefully, to victory!

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
36. and of course, Paul Krugman
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:44 PM
Feb 2016

who would ditch his "conscience of a liberal" in an New York Minute to become Treasurer.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
40. Why are we talking about this? If Clinton is nominated...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:54 PM
Feb 2016

...she's not going to be elected, because the infinitely wise folks who nominate her forgot about the Republicans and Independents who hate her and would never vote for her.

On the other hand, what would you expect other than bankers and war criminals, just like the rest of them have done?

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