The first time I was elected a precinct chairman it was because in our very red precinct in SC my wife and I were the only two people who showed up at the Dem county organizing meeting, so she voted for me as Chair and I voted for her as County Exec Comm member.
My point: any statement by a precinct chair is an irrelevant anecdote.

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That's a club I will never want to be a member of. Ugh.

Calling me an anti-Semite?

I guess it does fit with some of the other things Bernie supporters have called me.

And told that, as a woman, I am not supporting Hillary because I have problems with strong women and/or have mommy issues, or some such shit. And someone, a week or so ago, said they were looking forward to us Bernie supporters being crushed like the "cockroaches" we are during the primaries.

I don't know or care if you personally are an anti-Semite, of course, but I feel that calling Bernie a "Socialist Jew" is probably an approved tactic, and the guy was hushed up because there were Sanders supporters present.

Hey, its not like either of us are on the fence about who we are supporting.

This board. Birds of a feather

you will be judged by the company you keep...

The minute Bernie supporters fight back against it, Bernie supporters are mean spirited, rude, callous and whatever.

IOKIYAHC much???

a Wigger by your side so what goes around comes around been called much worse

Ugly behavior

Now there's a crime for you.

1. Don't you think an attempt to differentiate myself from another person indicates disapproval?

2. I don't see anyone denouncing the videographer for claiming the only reason to vote for Clinton is because of her gender.

3. Given the socialist part of the unfortunate comment don't you think accusations of thought crimes are ironic?

She would say this shit directly if she could get away with it.

But I will say that if someone from outside of my precinct (much less out of state) came into my caucus to tell me what I should do (or even to give me their opinion), I wouldn't be happy. I also find it telling that all the objections (up to where I stopped watching) are captioned "Hillary supporter," as if that matters in this case.

I'm sorry if anyone after I stopped watching said anything regrettable, but I think those people should have stayed out of there.

ETA that maybe this outside interference is common, I don't know. I've only participated in tiny precincts where nobody much cared.

From the Link he just posted with the caucus rules:
"Guest observers must remain quiet and not become involved in caucus discussions
once the caucus is called to order."
I do not know if the caucus was called to order yet when that guest was speaking.

I am new to DU because I'm a European (Dane) and I'm going to volunteer this summer for Sanders if he wins the nomination... So i'm extremely interested in American politics... It is like looking into a crystal ball and watching what direction our politics will go in 10 years from now....

You really think so? Whoa - scary....! (Or hopefully not, if our direction changes.)

Our Left wing party learned to raise money from big business about 10 years after Clinton introduced it in America in 92... Ours was around year 2000... Our minister of science, today, is the first we've ever had that doesn't believe in evolution or science. Our minister of agriculture and the environment is the first we've ever had (since Climate change became a thing in the 70s) that doesn't believe in Climate change. We now have our own mini version of the tea party (7% of the vote) that believes in this crap about tax cuts leading to higher tax revenue... So the hardcore religious Bush hogwash is washing up on our shores these days, and it's weird and frightening, considering that we're 80% agnostic or atheist...

I was considering getting the hell out of Dodge if an R wins in November, but now I'm thinking where would I go....????!!!!!

.... but don't let anyone know you are a Dane. Believe me, it wouldn't help.

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I've been to the US a couple of times (about 3 months total) and I love the people and the "culture" (if you can call it that since people are so diverse). But I get nauseous when I see the amount of homelessness and general poverty when compared to the fabulous wealth the country has... The most shocking was probably San Francisco or Los Angeles. Since then I've been politically active here at home, trying to teach people the consequences of political choices.
The sentiment here in Denmark is, obviously, extremely pro American from our right wing, and people obviously believe in it because we have such a high minimum standard of living, that we're mostly middle class. This means that since most are relatively well off the American model offers more opportunity than the Danish one does (I'm an Economics and Mathematics grad student, I know... Starting salary is 60k here in Denmark vs about 80k in the US) but what people fail to realize is that the bottom gets eviscerated in the American system and people making 30k average annual salaries (That's about minimum wage) here in Denmark would make 10k in the US. And sadly (here in Denmark we are weird) poor people are mostly those that vote for the right wing here in Denmark and rich people vote left wing. -Partly this is explained by our core philosophy, which is that those who have more should help those whom have less, since it could be anyone of us in that situation-

Means you don't have to bother clicking the post because everything is in the title.

...if it's not called to order.

you know if there was any rule about having impartial translators?

Yeah, that "neutral" was kind of dumb, in retrospect. I took it as shorthand for "she's a high-profile Hillary supporter."

know if the caucus was called to order? I noticed you didn't include the entire rule requiring guests to be quiet, omitting the part that requires the caucus to be called to order. The rules specify what is and isn't allowed AFTER the caucus is called to order.

And kicked them out.

The person who objected probably read the rules.

was called to order?

Why?

I don't understand


But even if you are inexplicably offended, why should they be banned from even watching? Why bristle?



I'm sick of this "stand your ground" attitude and continual us vs them that creeps into EVERY facet of American life since the shower of Republican fear mongering. That Dems would fall for it and act like their caucus was some kind of overtaken bird sanctuary instead of just politely ignoring visitors (if you're not gonna welcome them) tells me that the Right is still in control of the narrative.

The caucus-goers *were* polite to them. What I'm stating is *my* opinion.

They came there with a camera and an agenda, IMHO.

I agree.
Then why give them what the supposedly wanted?


It's all this fighting! Just say "That's nice" and go about Nevada's business.

that's what the caucus-goers did. Good for them.

This here is just us folks arguing.

I've watched Bernie beat Clinton on the issues, and then watched her turn around and play real dirty race politics, just like she did against Obama in 08.

I'm very, very seriously questioning whether Hillary Clinton is worthy to be my president. Because I honestly don't think she gives a shit about me or my family or the issues we actually care about.

But, hey, cheer up. Bernie has said he's 'in it until the Convention,' and so are we. If we need to have a bitter conflict on the convention floor so be it. Third Way just doesn't work for me anymore. Not at all.

I'm sticking with the Democratic Socialist.

This is why I can't support HilLIARy. Cheating and lying. Just like her husband.

for the record, NO NEVADA voters in the room sounds like a good idea as well,

Better yet, A FUCKING PRIMARY... caucuses really have left a very sour taste in my mouth

It would be great if that was the norm, eh?

and as I said, primaries would be best

The whole caucus system is rotten to the core

I thought there was a template they followed - statements read from both sides, then get on to business. It is time consuming enough that anyone would be silly to think it is time to grandstand.
honestly, enough with the vanity Youtube speechifying, just do the work so things run smoothly.

But this OP is slanted as if it was a Nazi party meeting, those people deserve credit for immediately shutting down that racist.

I will not move from that view. But at a more meta level. If you are going to do it, have translators in caucases that you know will have a large non english speaking group of voters, and KEEP ALL THE OUTSIDERS OUT. That is a good rule.

From what I understand, according to some posters here. there is a certain possible momentum for NV to go back to primary elections. I am all for that And part of it is not just what Think Progress reported, but first hand views from posters who were at these things... chaos... does not start to describe it.

I tend to be biased about increasing participation.

The caucuses seem to encourage some people to grandstand. Sucks.

even if it does it has nothing to do with the Hillary campaign as a whole.

anyone's bullshit at that caucus location.

systemic. I think a few people being jerks is just what happens.

They know they couldn't possibly force their candidate onto us if they did.

but it matches the pattern of what we saw.

And Ralston gave the victory not to HRC, but the Reid Party machine... they were good.

Win Hillary. She cultivates relationships over the long haul.

but Ralston was talking of a well oiled party machine... in ways that compared it to Tammany Hall. I would not quite be happy about that.... comparison

The real winner was Reid

This is what Bernie walked into--without a network. Without an infrastructure. His aim is not to build or strengthen the Democratic party; it is to tear it down and rebuild it in his image.

He wants to take down the two party system, but that is how the various factions coalesce within our government structure--and that requires compromise to move legislation forward. The number of seats you control in the legislature has a direct impact on the relative ideological strength of bills passed.

Any Revolution has to cope with this in our democracy or rule by decree based on one strongman's notion of law. A Revolution unwilling to compromise is doomed under the weight of its own police state--or it evolves to consensus.

And lost a lot right before this caucus..... just not enough to lose.... but almost!

Turnout of the plebes is where it is at. (I am a Bernie supporter, in case you didn't know or guess.)

Hillary has had a lot of one on one conversations with many "plebes" over the years.

I just don't trust her, myself, and doubt I would even if I were one of the plebes she has talked to. I don't make my decisions that way, I fondly hope.

face to face, nor of those who are moved to support and work with her.

I am on record as objecting to people being told how to think/feel.

Your opinion, however, is duly noted (and subsequently dismissed).

I'm pointing out that Hillary's ability to connect with people face to face is a thing. People aren't summarily duped into working with her. They make that choice freely and thoughtfully.

And I was speaking of working relationships, political networking, and the gregarious endeavor of engaging people from all walks of life--over decades.

Hillary calls upon "the cavalry" because she can.

I just hope it proves to be not sufficient. We shall see.

The legwork, the conversations, the rolodex. It's what separates the big cats from the paper tigers.

And, as far as I can see, Bernie stepped in because no one else was doing it. So I hope he can overcome.

Exactly. It ain't over 'til it's over.

but people have been saying a lot of junk in this campaign. I would be outraged if that video actually shows a precinct captain saying that, but I did not see it. If it's there and I missed it, I apologize. If it is no there, I'm outraged at you.

It's just an allegation by Bernie supporters. There's no evidence that was actually said on this video.

Also, it was great to see the California carpetbaggers shut down and shut out.

we Bernie supporters just lie and cheat plot and plan...............

Everything after 2:20 is hearsay.

They are playing the victim card as always. How dare the Nevadans not want to listen to a California Bernie supporter! He drove 4 hours and got there at 2 a.m. and only got 4 hours sleep in order to lecture voters in another state what they should do!

"We can elect a woman president anytime."

This guy was probably about 12 when Obama was first elected so politics seems so easy for him and his ilk. He either has no knowledge of the sacrifices of those that came before him, or he doesn't give a fuck.

He seems well educated and fairly articulate so I know which one my money is on.

Their reaction matters a great deal- good for them!

For me it's 2 different issues. The argument against allowing these 2 guys to speak is fine with me, it's the accusation of using socialist Jew that I find offensive.

god forbid they give those caucus voters any credit.

they silenced the one lone asshole, and that is great! from this OP- you would never know that though.
Disgusting allegation, how you are proud of yourself.

I stopped at 2:20 because that's when they said they were kicked out (good). To me, everything after that is hearsay.

who was silenced.

while hearsay, the people who shut the Captain were the Sanders supporters telling the story on the video.

Just saying,

I expect this kind of dirt though... so I am like not surprised one bit.

And this is why this will depress voting in November. People really have having it with the politics of personal destruction and the dog whistles.

I know at this point I am into just taking notes. This might be (IMO already is) worst than 2008.

that shit, but you would never know it from this OP.

fits a larger pattern, and it includes the hour plus at Harrahs and the CNN videos. And there are a bunch of videos at Youtube too

One way to put this caucus kindly is, it was chaotic beyond belief.

I believe from watching more than a few, that a case can be made that this chaos was one way for the machine to deal with things. There are also reports of people walking away, and long lines.

So that is one way to put it kindly.

As to what happened inside. this would be classified as hearsay in a court of law. Not that they were kicked out, but the rest of it.

but my point is the OP is trying to muddy the water to make it look like one asshole represented a bunch of Hillary supporters. the video makes it obvious that this is not true. OPs like this help no one, it is petty slander.

and the full picture, not one video, is not nice.

I hate to say it, but outside here. most people will not care. Election, in another state, who cares? But if this is a preview of coming attractions... god help us

(And I believe it is, and it will lead to many supporters, at this point perhaps on both sides) staying home regardless of who wins. I am inclined to think, given 2008, that HRC supporters will stay home in larger numbers. (PUMA was not accidental, and they did vote for McCain and later for Romney)

But when you alienate potential voters that much... my state whatever... we would vote for the devil himself... but it will matter in OH and in FL and a few other places.

That is truly the story...

and I expect some doozies on the republican side as well. We have not even started.

So misguided. He should be pissed at anyone who encouraged him to waste his time like that!

Thanks for noting this. It is really important and plays right into the "Bernie bro" meme.

I am a staunch supporter of Sanders, but with this phrase, this California guy revealed himself to be totally ignorant of women's reality and completely blew any support he might have hoped to bring to Sanders.

If someone says something so idiotic in my caucus (March 1st), I will shut him down and make him apologize. But I will fight for his right to stay in the room. These are supposed to be public meetings, although only registered Democrats can vote (re most state rules). If he is involved with the Sanders organization as a volunteer, he should be booted.

The Clinton organization also needs to distance itself from the anti-semitic "socialist Jew" supporter. Apparently, the caucus goers did shut him down as soon as he said that. So far so good. Now give him the heave-ho. I don't think it is reasonable to expect candidate's political organizations to vet every volunteer, but as soon as they reveal misogynistic, anti-semitic, racist or similar tendencies, they need to be permanently booted from the organization.

Bad behavior all around, I think.