He's no comedian, but he likes to laugh.

I thought it was his sig line!

He won the most delegates in the 2000 democratic primaries

If Bernie is well ahead of HilLIARy in votes and the delegates steal it, I like many Bernie supporters WON'T vote for her. If she cheats, I won't be a part of it.

Protest at the convention

Those political cartoons were a hoot back in the day

Who will you be voting for?

It will most likely be Jill Stein. I won't feel guilty about it after I leave the Democratic Party on March 1st, at 23:59pm and register NPA for the first time.

But this should keep the h campaign sleeping badly. And that leads to more silly mistakes. There is good in this. The revolution is not defeated and she is not the people's choice so far.

As of right now, w 98% of NV reporting, they are tied with 51 delegates each. That is not counting supers of course until we get to the convention.

of these threads are we gonna get?

that math is totally wrong?

we are tied with 51 delegates each

1) Hillary leads 2 states to 1 (one by a very slim margin, the other 2 split more definitively).

2) Bernie leads in the popular vote (which is tracked in every presidential election).

3) The pledged delegate count is tied (based on estimates)

4) We are 2.5% of the way through the pledged delegates so far.




Here are some predictions of mine going forward (purely personal opinions).

1) Hillary will lead in delegates and popular vote by the time Super Tuesday is over thanks to the southern states.

2) Bernie will have cut into those leads by the time March is over thanks to the midwest states (may retake popular vote by that point, doubtful on delegates).

3) April through June are going to be interesting.

4) California may actually decide something.

the Primary, not the GE. Popular vote has no bearing on the race other than to assign delegates. This system has been in place since 1984. Pretending that Sanders leads in the popular vote is nonsense since the #s posted don't include Iowa or Nevada.

Wanna follow the logic of the original "poster"? It is: If you ignore how the system works and don't include the states that HRC won, then Sanders is ahead! Hallelujah! You wanna join in someone's delusions, go right ahead.

However, if you want Sanders to win? GOTV. It is that simple. Whining and spamming the board* with ridiculous assertions won't help him win.

* Not accusing you personally of doing this

There were 171,517 people participating in the Iowa Democratic caucus this year.

Hillary won with 49.863% of the delegates vs Bernie's 49.595% of the delegates. If the vote split exactly along the delegate count then she got about 461 more votes than Bernie did. Let's give her the benefit of the doubt and assume a bunch of rounding went Bernie's way. She still wouldn't have picked up more that 2 or 3 thousand votes there.

Bernie was ahead by 56,332 votes in New Hampshire.

That means Hillary would have had to pick up around 53k votes in Nevada to be even with Bernie. Considering she won by 5.5% of the delegates, there would have had to have been at least half a million people voting to get those kinds of gains (again being generous and assuming a lot of rounding went Bernie's way). In 2008 primary there were only a little more than 120k that voted in the Nevada Democratic primary.


There is no possible way Bernie doesn't lead in the popular vote at this point.


And popular vote does have an effect in primaries on at least some of the unpledged delegates. The elected officials generally don't go against the will of their constituents on a state by state basis.

And I understand delegates is how the race is won. That doesn't mean popular vote has no merit. It is, after all, what is supposed to drive the delegate count in a Representative Republic.


Think about this for a second. We could have 100 thousand or 100 million people vote across this country. We'd still have the same number of delegates. The popular vote is what determines voter enthusiasm/apathy since the delegate count is a fixed number regardless of number of people who vote.


By the way, the pledged delegate count is tied. So I don't know why you think I would be running from the delegate count.

discussing the delusion that popular vote matters in this context. Whatever delusion helps you get thru the night, I suppose. Good chat. We should resume it after Super Tuesday.

Bc of her win yesterday, she is now tied with Sanders in delegates. They each have 51 as of this moment when you seperate supers until the convention.

A lot of the posters here who claim to be for Bernie really care if he wins or not. Their agenda seems to be about making sure NO Democrat wins the WH this year. They make Bernie look bad with their insane rants, and they constantly trash and bash Hillary. Two birds with one stone.

Why don't you stop calling folks republican when logic and democratic principles aren't on your side. U are better than that...we are better than that

perceived self interest

votes than your opponent, otherwise this is how you appear:

System

A government by, for and of the people

Click the little (a)

...Obama v Hillary 2008 (primary contest). Looks like Hillary learned Obama's strategy.

means : Does not include projections for states holding caucuses

So nope. Not accurate. In the Dem primary - D E L E G A T E S determine the winner. And only the total delegates.

in knots defending this corruption..

So...nope. not corrupt. More complicated that needs to be? Absolutely.

But none of it has anything to do with vote totals, because we don't have accurate ones due to the plethora of caucus states.

If you'd like it to be different, get busy in your local party, and work to make it different.

delegates.

I posted this in another thread. But it's relevant here too, as people who do not understand the difference between caucuses and primaries continue to post.

As long as caucuses are a part of the process no candidate can tout their pure popular vote. PERIOD.

Some states are caucuses. Some are primaries. You can't compare the two. Population vote totals in this context are ridiculous.


I said the exact same thing in 2008 when Hillary used the same ridiculous argument against Obama. When this argument comes up, it's a sign that your campaign is losing. Or that you have lost.


Bernie Sanders is losing to Hillary Clinton. And the fact that this bogus, un-mathematical argument is already coming forth, is good evidence that this nominating race will soon be over.

This argument is so sad. And it only demonstrations desperation, and a general ignorance as to how the nomination process works.

There is a difference between understanding the system and endorsing it.

I hate caucuses. They are undemocratic. They are easy to manipulate. I have several posts here stating this fact. To be clear, I think if it had been a popular vote race in Iowa, Sanders would have won. I also clearly stated in my first post that it was equally absurd when the Clinton campaign tried to use this same argument in 2008 against Obama.

My only point is that using the popular vote to justify candidate support, when caucuses and primaries are a part of the process is absolutely stupid. It makes no mathmatical sense. It's like comparing scores across 2 different sports. It's just ignorant to include this metric with any seriousness as a part of the discussion.

But it doesn't count!

Cause I said so!!

(Stumping on the floor in a temper tantrump)

Way to go in trying to get support from Bernie supporters if Hillary "wins" this way.

That's going to be a hoot to watch!

This is NOT an endorsement of the system. It's simply mathmatical fact that adding caucus and primary vote totals together in this context is foolish.

The primary is all about delegates. That is how it has always been.

The Democratic Party uses a system based on delegates to select their presidential nominee. As for the popular vote, that likely will change after South Carolina and Super Tuesday

This is why both parties are dying. 40% of Americans now consider themselves Independent, and that number will continue to grow.

Not sure what 1984 has to do with it.

It's a DEMOCRATIC primary.

In fact NC indies are probably closer to your Reps. His message is NOT universal - witness the polls out of MI, NC, VA, MI, AL, TX, SC ... would be nice to have some of those states on board in Nov.

Pretty silly.

and Super Tuesday. Yes, Bernie did very well in his back yard in NH.

Except I always that the manipulators were the Repubs. Maybe Hillary is leading the Dems to new skills, smile.

We are three contests in.

Hillary won two, Bernie on.

If we are playing a game like ping pong, tennis, golf, football, etc, individual games count for wins but the score doesn't carry over.

So if we play ping ping and you score 22 - 20, 8 - 21, 21 - 15, I don't get to add up the totals and say I won 56 to 51, I lost two of three.

Over time this will work out, not worth worrying about now and not worth complaining. Since the expectations were complete beat downs by Clinton, the Sanders team needs to improve a bit more and get more wins.

Bernie won New Hampshire, the only state where we have popular vote numbers as of date.

We already knew that.

Thanks for playing.

counted in the way you wish they were.

to go all sour? Seriously, the caucuses are weird and stupid, but people her making up rules as they go along is bullshit.

They're still there because inertia, basically. And ultimately they're meaningless -- if Sanders gained more pledged delegates the superdelegates would switch candidates.

People are stressing over them for absolutely no reason. They're for show at this point. They'll not be used to decide the nomination; the winner will be the person with the largest number of pledged delagates earned in primaries and caucuses, i.e. Hillary Clinton.

Supporters and msm... the delegates are tied at 51 and bernie is leading the pop vote

That's ridiculous. If people don't understand how the process works then that's on them. I'm going to assume Democratic voters are sophisticated enough to comprehend how superdelegates operate.

Msm & the hill campaign need top stop counting and showing the "super" delegates. It distorts the state of the primary. Example..when I pointed out on this website that the two were tied with 51 delegates and bernie was ahead with total votes... everyone went nuts... I'm done trying to illustrate a very clear picture...

They're currently pledged to her. They are hers to count. They have the option to switch.

You understand this. I understand this. Nothing has been distorted.

And after Super Tuesday it will all be quite meaningless.

not hers until they vote at the convention.. You have been corrupted in your thoughts.. you are blinded by your allegiance to hillary..and democracy suffers.. 1 person 1 vote

The votes in one state are not counted in another state.
So popular vote totals are meaningless in this situation.
Talking about popular vote in the primary is like comparing apples to hubcaps.
I hope these links help.

https://votesmart.org/education/presidential-primary#.VspTDZwrKhc
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/05/12/everything-you-need-to-know-about-how-the-presidential-primary-works/

Thanks for clearing that up.

Check it out. You will be surprised at what's in there.

There is no national election for any office.

principles of our Nations ....1 person 1 vote

One person one vote is not violated. Each states election is indepent, as determined by the Constitution. There is not now and never has been a national popular vote for President, and certainly not for primaries.

Most of our history we did not even have primary elections.

Should there be? Yes, and I think we agree on that. That would require a Constitutional Amendment.

chosen few get 2 votes.. one of which is equal to 10s or 100s of thousand of legitimate votes cast by citizens

1 person 1 vote
for, by and of the People

The system you imagine does not exist. I support your right to seek to change the Constitution and expand individual rights.

select few should get a vote that is equal to 10s or 100s of thousands of other citizens votes. Our Democratic Party implements an unAmerican, illegitimate, corrupt primary voting system by giving members of the ruling class a vote that is equal 10s or 100s of thousands of American citizens votes. I believe we won the Revolutionary War... then why are we acting like jolly ol England . Question I have for you is .. Do you support those "super" delegates ?

This is just sad.