2016 Postmortem

SheenaR

(2,052 posts) Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:16 PM Feb 2016

Re: The Popular Vote Argument

Going through the threads on this topic today I remembered some conversations I had this week.

All week I heard that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 2008. You know what wasn't counted in those totals? Caucuses.

So the posts today that list Bernie as leading in the popular vote are correct since it is based on one state.

When you try to do the delegate percentages compared to voter turnout in the caucuses Obama would have won the vote on 2008. Sanders would still be winning here.

It's true today. Will it be true next weekend? Possibly not.

But for now it is. The insane reaction to this and the actual pledged delegate count from the Clinton camp was a bit over the top. We get that there are more races. Just so you know.

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Re: The Popular Vote Argument (Original Post) SheenaR Feb 2016 OP

In 2008, no Clinton supporter made the argument that the popular vote should decide the nominee wyldwolf Feb 2016 #1

Reading is fun SheenaR Feb 2016 #2

Some Bernie supporters are. Yes indeed, reading IS fun. And funny. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #3

Thanks for stopping by and not addressing what your friends are saying. SheenaR Feb 2016 #4

Oh, you're welcome wyldwolf Feb 2016 #5

I had an exchange on Twitter that made me realize I don't even speak the same language as Clinton Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #6

wyldwolf

(43,869 posts)

1. In 2008, no Clinton supporter made the argument that the popular vote should decide the nominee

Reply to SheenaR (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:25 PM

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SheenaR

(2,052 posts)

2. Reading is fun

Reply to wyldwolf (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:27 PM

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Nor did I. I did hear about it all week though. How she won the popular vote over Obama and how Supers screwed her.

Maybe you haven't. But you have some friends here who disagree.

wyldwolf

(43,869 posts)

3. Some Bernie supporters are. Yes indeed, reading IS fun. And funny.

Reply to SheenaR (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:29 PM

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SheenaR

(2,052 posts)

4. Thanks for stopping by and not addressing what your friends are saying.

Reply to wyldwolf (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:36 PM

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Don't recall approaching you about Bernie supporters.

wyldwolf

(43,869 posts)

5. Oh, you're welcome

Reply to SheenaR (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:42 PM

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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)

6. I had an exchange on Twitter that made me realize I don't even speak the same language as Clinton

Reply to SheenaR (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:50 PM

Feb 2016

supporters.

One of her admirers Monday morning quarterbacked Bernie's performance in Nevada, suggesting that 'He should have trained them like Obama did' and he would have won. Now Obama lost the popular vote in Nevada by an even greater margin, and I pointed this out, to which the rebuttal was 'But he got more delegates!' And yes, by that metric, he 'won' Nevada. But that sure as hell is not a 'democratic' win, and it's NOT the sort of 'win' I'd want out of Sanders. I want him to WIN by winning over more people. Not by playing the same Byzantine games that allow people who lose by votes to 'win' on delegates. Yes, he'll need delegates too, but I want to see him win by convincing enough voters he's worth electing, not by using obscure caucus rules in Chicago-style politics.

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