We are glad to have you

I have been wavering between the two for months. My four year old daughter keeps telling me to "vote for the girl mommy." DH has been for HRC since the beginning.

I think I will "vote for the girl."

When we discussed Presidents Day (which they had learned about in school), she wondered who the next president would be. I asked her who she'd like it to be. "The girl," she said.

So there you have it!

I have been really back and forth.

She is a pretty good girl to vote for, I think she will make you and your daughter proud.

Thanks for that.

For every person who jumps off the fence for her, two jump off the fence for Bernie. I won't minimize the importance of a female president, and I think it will happen within my lifetime (I'm 47) but in case you hadn't noticed, having a black president did not end racism.

Electing Hillary will not eliminate sexism. But it shows girls all over the country that women CAN do pretty much anything they set their minds to. And that's a big deal.

Her willingness to use dishonesty to manipulate voters is not okay with me.

One woman defected because she didn't like what she was hearing at the table as the Hillary folks talked among themselves. When she got up to cross over a bunch of Hillary supporters got really NASTY calling her a "traitor" and a "moocher" and that caused another one of their number to come over to the Bernie side.

The attitude was one of superiority.

It still takes time, and the backlash was awful, but that is always what happens when you take a leap forward. There's no button you can push to solve a problem, but there are watershed moments.
Millions of people won't think it can't happen anymore. It is powerful.

to the Sisterhood of the Flying Pant(suits)!

My own mother would be against that -- and she was as feminist as one could be.

but today, something just snapped, and I felt as though she represents me better than Bernie.

into oblivion? How "pie-in-the-sky" are Bernie's plans, if they've already been adopted for decades in most of the rest of the industrialized world? And we HAD free State college tuition throughout the 60s and 70s already! But Reaganism is a hard drug for many to quit, including the Clintons.

I'd personally rather worry about equitable pay than pants. Hillary had NO problem whatsoever with women being paid far less than men at Walmart when she was on Walmart's board. In fact, she said that she was "proud of the way Walmart does business."


Hillary wants to attack Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

Hillary pushed Fracking on the rest of the planet: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

How women workers faired at Walmart when Hillary was on it's board:

Everyone has their issues.

Mine is abortion. BIG hot button. HUGE hot button. I am virtually a one issue voter.

And both candidates support abortion rights. And so, I am still okay with either candidate winning. Really. I'm not going to campaign for Hillary. But when I go behind the curtain, my one little vote will be for her. Even with AAAAALLLLLLLL those things you don't like about her. And when I say "pie in the Sky" it's because we live in a country where some people would shoot themselves in the head before they would support something "socialist" even if it's in their best interest. So, yeah Europe has it. Remember "Freedom Fries". There are people in the US who pride themselves on NOT being like Europe.

So, pie-in-the-sky. And if he wins the nomination, I promise to ***campaign*** for him, not just vote, make calls, knock on doors, etc. Can you promise the same?

to own a gun but I am closing on-line and gun show loopholes that negate background checks and a waiting period until the background check clears. I am also for controlling or preventing the sale of bult weapons purchases and for checks and clearance on the sale of assault weapons ammo and explosives. I swear the pain of seeing children killed in mass murders and the lives of black children and others in black neighborhoods taken by easily accessible guns.

The latest incident reported about Uber driver just randomly shooting people made me sick on the stomach.

The President asked that we make this a voters issue and I did. So that puts me squarely in the Hillary camp but I will fight my heart out for Bernie if he wins the primary.

Hillary knows raising the guns issue will drive turnout against her and it's the right leaning voters she's going to want to capture in the general.

I respect anyone who's made a thoughtful choice about their political candidates.

What is the problem with them wearing kilts? How is them wearing kilts sexist? Heck, the first thing I'd have done is PUT them in kilts (and lowered the temperature to an appropriate comparison to our own) so they can see why we wanted to change!

Anyway, I don't get the story but I'm happy you reached a decision, even if it's different from mine.

There was a thread about women who had won a lawsuit to wear pants on an airline. Some of the men talked about how if women could wear pants on an airline, then they should be allowed to wear kilts.

It just pushed me over.

sniper fire.

Proof is they have tiny junk.

Putting candidates aside it reminds me of the tendentious argument by some why we need black colleges, black beauty pageants, and groups solely dedicated to issues important to the black community and why there aren't white corollaries to these institutions.

These institutions exist because of the cultural history that created them.

Is everybody supposed to be clapping, because
you made up your mind?

Go ahead and wear pantsuits now for the rest of your life,
it will not make a difference to anyone else.

I showed my friend how to duck between them. He laughed and said I'm 6'6 so I'll just step over. He too jumped off the fence, and landed where he started. It was not surprising that he was quite shocked, as he was told that it was an electric fence. Good luck crossing that fence again in November - you're still on the wrong side.

I hope you will not stay home, I hope you will not vote for a Republican.

I am still okay with either candidate winning. Really. I'm not going to campaign for Hillary. But when I go behind the curtain, my one little vote will be for her. Frankly, before today, I wasn't going to vote for either one of them.

than there is of my voting to be ensnared by it. I'm glad you have made a decision, even if my view of it is comparable to why someone would buy a BBQ chicken at the deli when there is a lemon-pepper one right next to it.

let me be BBQ. I love BBQ.

Next time there is a BOGO we can both be very happy.

is the same as voting for a Repukkkian...she cannot win the general election...her big money donors already know she will do what she is told to do...

Hillary and Jill.

If Bernie doesn't win, I hope you won't stay home.

I ***DO NOT KNOW*** who will win. I am okay with either candidate winning. Really. I'm not going to campaign for Hillary. But when I go behind the curtain, my one little vote will be for her. Frankly, before today, I wasn't going to vote for either one of them.

And she really is more progressive than many think she is. She has just learned to bide her time, and fight smart for progress.

She is not really progressive. Her core is conservative. She runs a GOP style campaign and they are authoritarian -- you don't play their game they have a long list they keep.
But she is amazingly flexible, meaning, when the political winds shift and one of her conservative stated principles is no longer in vogue, she will parrot the popular stance like a pro. She talks the talk but when it matters she is not with the Democratic/progressive side.

She's a woman! Bernie's not.

Eh, I had you figured as a pro establishment voter, but to come right out and say because : She...?

Somehow that dims your feminist creds a bit.

Skirts and kilts are totally lacking, so I voted for a Wall Street insider to help out those of us who make 75 cents for every dollar a guy makes. (Yeah, right! )

sadly mistaken. There is just as much bashing coming from Hillary supporters if not more.

...to smear Bernie Sanders supporters. The David Brock led Super PAC coordinates with the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Bernie Sanders doesn't have a coordinated Super PAC.

I don't think you were ever on the fence but use that as a way to promote Hillary. The reason I say this is because you're just regurgitating clinton talking points in this convenient packaging.
Bernie supporters bashing Hillary supporters. . that's a crock and one of the most prevelant talking points.
Every week or so, the surrogates come out and spread lies and misinformation about Bernie. Man, she even got her own DAUGHTER to come out and lie and smear him. Yea, that's a good mother. I wonder if that was a proud moment for her, watching her daughter spread the lies her mommie told her to say.
All Bernie does is go out and tell his message. There is a treasure trove of ugly stuff the Clintons have done that he could dredge up but he doesn't, he just keeps going with his message to the people.
So, you twist your little mind any way you like, but the fact is, you don't care who Hillary is or what she has done, you'll find excuses to rationalize what you want.

I'm just telling you how I feel. I have not heard the smears on the outside, only what I see inside DU. It to be too much for me.

BTW, I don't have a "little mind".

I will say over and over, I never intended to vote for either candidate. I am usually an independent, but I had to register Democrat to vote for Donna, and so then I was presented with the dilemma. Hillary or Bernie. Now it's possible that in my mind, I was more like "why not Hillary?" but I don't think so. I really don't care, I really don't think a single vote matters, I really believe that unless you campaign, you're just talking sh*t. And I'm not campaigning for Hillary. That's how much I don't care who wins. But I've decided to vote for her. And truly, that skirts thing really did it.

Again, it's REALLY okay if you don't believe me.

I can't believe how small minded this thread mostly is. It's all about the sex of the candidate.
At least with the Bernie supporters they actually think about issues.
It is not about sex. If Elizabeth Warren were running I'd vote for her in a heartbeat because she is on the right side of the issues, like Bernie. See, in case many of you didn't know this, any sex can be on the right side of history or the wrong side of history. It is not about their sex but their MIND.
I think all who are posting about the "message" this sends to their daughters are sending a pretty stupid message to them ... vote for the girl, i.e. their sex is what matters. Yea, that's the way to make your daughters smart. . . don't worry about what they are saying or what they do, vote gender. What a shallow thought process.

The UK having had a female leader didn't stop British Airways from fighting the stewardesses in court. Fortunately, the stewardesses won.

I see talk here about Bernie Bros., but I guess I'm not going to the places where it's posted . . . I'd just like to see for myself.

"Women Who Wear Pants: Still Somehow Controversial." Not as much fun as insinuating people aren't telling the truth?

I don't believe you anymore than I believe Clinton. And that is saying a LOT.

The only reason Hillary supporters support her is in contrast with Bernie.

What a nonsensical comment.

I want Hilliary, and non other, to be the next POTUS

In the case of your rationale for supporting Clinton over Sanders, kilty as charged.

the most toxic campaign for President by any candidate on the left in our nation's history.

Something about Sanders candidacy has caused way too many of his supporters to behave like this, and he hasn't done nearly enough, soon/early enough, to take them to task for it.

Few if any of the responses by them to you are the slightest bit respectful or issue based, most are nasty, insulting and personal. Even the ones that purport to bring up issues for you to consider are sneering and rude.

As I have said before, I really hope Hillary closes him out because I don't think I can support that superfund site of a campaign. Let's hope it's over soon.

...a Liar-in-Chief, but evidently you are.

It's toxic.

...whose purpose is to smear Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

People on a message board who don't think someone should choose a presidential candidate because of an argument with random guys about kilts doesn't compare to Hillary Clinton having a Smear Super PAC.

I've always been in Hillary's camp, but do understand Sanders' appeal.

Enjoy Camp Weathervane!

I really don't care who supports whom in the primaries, so long as they are not smearing my candidate and her supporters with every post and repeating GOPer talking points ad nauseam, which has too often been the case here. We have two good candidates and each has a core group of loyal supporters, the overwhelming majority of whom behave very well. But some behave outrageously.

The anecdote you mention about airline stewardesses demonstrates exactly the kind of latent sexism that too many deny and that is omnipresent in this race. Any woman who has ever worked in an organization and who, time and time again, has seen men who are less qualified and experienced given more power and authority simply because they are ... men ... has also experienced that.

Hillary - as a woman candidate - must be 100 perfect - which is impossible. She is human and she has made mistakes, some of them more serious than others. Men who have made the same, e.g., voting for the IWR, have NOT been punished for that as she has. For example, John Kerry became the Dem nominee in 2004. And that "progressive icon" Susan Sarandon was a supporter of John Edwards in 2008. Both Kerry and Edwards voted for the IWR. In spite of Hillary's mistakes, they do NOT outweigh the tremendous good that she has done throughout her career, and they never will.

Despite the fact that since graduation from university studies, she has worked tirelessly with and for others, she is criticized for every single thing she thinks, says, does and wears. She cannot evolve or change her mind about anything without being called untrustworthy or worse.

Bernie, apart from a spurt of activism in his college days and early youth, basically held no job until his 40s, when he was successful in his run for Mayor of Burlington. There is no question that he has been other than an excellent Representative and Senator for Vermont in DC. But if a woman with the same background were running for President in 2016, I don't believe that she would be forgiven the kind of early life that Bernie had. She would literally be hung out to dry.

Considering his long time stay (since 1991) in DC, he can hardly be considered other than "Establishment" simply because he has been an Independent. His legislative record for that long period is somewhat lacking although he has indeed supported progressive causes for the most part. He has also made mistakes. But he has NEVER been held accountable for his mistakes in any way comparable to the way Hillary has for hers. He has NEVER been pilloried and vilified by his opponents in the same way that the RW has done with Hillary since at least 1992.

Their records, education, experience and public service are simply not comparable, IMO. Hillary's, by far, exceeds Bernie's, IMO, and her record of forming coalitions of interested parties who can actually achieve badly needed progress is simply superb.

She will be an outstanding President and I am very proud to support her.

You gave some great examples of her strength and why that appeals to you. I'm very impressed by the depth and breadth of her personal relationships that span many years throughout much of her life/background. That takes effort to do that, which Bernie never bothered much with. I see red flags and flaws in his character because of his lack of relationship skills.

Hillary 2016! Great thread!