2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDeromanticizing the caucus.
I think people who have never caucused have an image of a caucus that's similar to Mr. Smith Goes to Washington...nope, more like Titanic without ice (at least here in Nevada).
The campaigns suggest walking with your neighbors to your caucus site where you will spend some time (they are careful not to say how MUCH time) having a robust political discussion, publicly casting your vote (sounds so brave) then cheering the candidates. Nope.
This was my Saturday. Drove to the location, which was much further away than my regular polling place. So did everyone else, by the look of the parking lot - it's 10:30am, an hour and a half before the caucus begins and the parking lot is full (probably because it's a middle school); I'm fine, I can walk, but the dozens of elderly people who come after I do struggle to make it to the school.
Because I'm a precinct captain I am told to skip the line to the check in, where (since I did express checkin the day before) I'm immediately handed my selection card and head to my room. There are a dozen or more precincts meeting in the school, but the rooms are well marked.
I meet the other captain and scope out the room. It's a gym, and there are two precincts meeting there. Because I'm early and have a big button, people ask me questions. You might think they might be questions about the process or the platform or the positions of the candidates...you would be wrong.
There's an elderly woman who is having trouble walking. Her daughter had brought her to caucus and, even though the daughter says time isn't a problem (the daughter isn't caucusing), she's worried. I tell her that it shouldn't be as long as in 2008, but probably a couple of hours.
The next women was just pissy about it. How long would it take? Why was this state so backwards? She hated the state, the city, and the neighborhood. They moved here for her husband's job, and would be leaving soon. I will hold back my tears when she goes.
One man came in, leaning heavily on a cane. He had never caucused, but thought it was a great idea...people, he thought, should have a chance to discuss and exchange ideas.
Another couple who could barely walk, and another "How long" and isn't there an arrangement for handicapped people (her words)? Nope. They are irritated when they discover that the line won't be closed until noon and insist they were told the caucus started at 11am. Others say they were told 11:30 and they aren't happy to discover they have another hour or more before the action begins. Everyone sits on bleachers meant for pre-teens. The guy who thought a caucus was a good idea got up several times because he was getting stiff sitting; he wasn't smiling any more.
They continue to flock in and almost to a person, they ask, "How lost will this last?" It's like being with dozens of kids on a cross county road trip.
Finally it's noon, but there are still about 50 people in line. We start at 12:30. The division of the precincts, the reading of the letters from all of the appropriate politicians - we get lucky, the two temporary chairs agree to take turns reading to the whole group rather than shouting at the same time. We divide up. I go with the chair to count heads. A teacher (wearing an NEA t-shirt) suggests that everyone stand, then sit as they are counted...it works.
We double check the numbers. I check with my group to make sure everyone has marked the ballots. One man nervously asks how much longer, he has a plane to catch.
We do the math, we divide the delegates. I go back to my group and find four other people willing to go to the county as delegates. It's over. No one has spoken for either candidate and no one cares. The process took about an hour and a half - much shorter than most precincts - but many of the older people have been here for three and an half hours, sitting on bleachers, no food or water, and they just want to go.
My caucus went incredibly smoothly; one friend said hers didn't even begin until 1:30 because things were so disorganized. She left before the delegates were elected because the woman she carpooled with was getting sick from standing and the crowds and the heat and no water. You've all see the horror stories on YouTube about some other sites.
To recap - no brilliant discussions. No friendly exchange of views. Just hundreds of tired people who want to leave.
I have three friends who are all very politically active that were out of town and couldn't participate. Nevadans who are not physically capable of making it to the caucus have no voice. Weekends are big business in Las Vegas, and service workers can't just take off for a few hours to caucus; yes, there are caucus sites on the Strip, but not everyone works on the Strip. Orthodox Jews and Seventh Day Adventists won't vote on a Saturday. People with children, students with Saturday classes, struggle to figure out a way to make it to the caucus and many fail. No one knows how many Democrats are disenfranchised, but do the mental math.
Rumor has it the Republicans plan to introduce a bill to change to a primary. A few whine that we would lose our very cool spot early in the process, but most of us don't care, we just want everyone to be able to participate.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Of why they need to go to the dustbin of history.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Of the 10 in the evening they are the best. They also reported some sites had people waiting for five hours.
30 second spot interviewing participants (package came obviously from the Vegas affiliate)
kiva
(4,373 posts)The caucus really has to go, it disenfranchises so many Democrats...and unfortunately the Nevada Democratic Party will fight tooth and nail to keep it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Reid was the real winner, I can certainly understand why...patronage system and Tammany hall come to mind. It took a lot to break that shit...it will take a lot to break it here
My initial feeling was that the party had many oopsies...now I am starting to think chaos was by design. You are right, they will fight it.
And for the record, we have our issues and patronage too...the Willie brown rule is just as baffling. No it is not written down. No office holder can be challenged, with party support that is, unless they are considered to be in bad standing. So I guess all state parties have their ahem...issues
Bangbangdem
(140 posts)Would have won if this were a primary?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I hope everyone recs this.
jfern
(5,204 posts)So I think the lack of a secret ballot definitely benefits her.
kiva
(4,373 posts)were uncomfortable caucusing with their bosses so close, sometimes in the same room...there's a reason we turned to the secret ballot under the Progressives.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)of the parent's kids. Bad system.
Especially for the sick, elderly and disabled or anyone who has to work or travel on the day of the caucus.
No more caucuses.
kiva
(4,373 posts)but that could get ugly.
californiabernin
(421 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Now imagine..... You didn't have any kind of special check in the night before. You're just an average citizen just trying to exercise your right to vote. You get stuck in line for over an hour just so you can wait an undetermined amount of time to actually participate in a process you roughly understand.
Now imagine...... You came to the caucus with your husband. He's a strong minded individual and things at home aren't the dreams we all hope marriage and home life should be. He strongly supports candidate A and thinks candidate B can go do something with himself. You think the opposite, but you've got to go home with him in a few hours.
Now imagine..... Your boss gave you time off to caucus, but has spent the last few months suggesting candidate B. Your caucus location is in the very casino you work in and your family depends on your revenue. You've been there long enough to know there is not one square millimeter of floor space that is not covered by a camera.
I'm glad you had a wonderful time plugged into the effort. You knew exactly what you were doing, where to go, checked in the night before. You got to watch what happened. You didn't need to feel your way through it.
Primaries. One vote, in private. You can say whatever you want to anyone else afterwards, but when you make the decision, it is yours and nobody else can directly influence it while it is actually happening.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)in a gloating manner, it was really sad and disgusting to read on a site named Democratic Underground.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)If this process had happened in Iraq or Afghanistan would we support the result?
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)suddenly we're the ones who want to disenfranchise thousands of voters.
Amazing how one side wants a fair race, and the other side wants to preserve an undemocratic system in the Democratic party.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)The party is holding it in a tiny town over an hour from where we (my friends and I) live, I believe purposely NOT holding it in any college town. One of the other residents at the nursing home wanted to go caucus, but she is 80 and I am afraid it will be too much for her. It is a form of voter suppression and they should all be ashamed of themselves.
kiva
(4,373 posts)If your neighbor can go, I'd suggest borrowing a wheelchair if she doesn't currently use one - as I said, we had bleachers but the bottom row filled quickly and some people had trouble going up the steps (most on the bottom row had the same problem). When we divided up by candidate, most of us had to stand.
Also have a bottle of water and a snack, since I know some people were very thirsty before it was all over...and good luck
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)as all three of us that are already planning to go are over 50. Thanks for the tips on the wheelchair!