2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLooking at poll trends, 2008 vs 2016, These next two weeks are make or break for Sanders
In 2008, Obama began his climb above Clinton in the national polls in mid to late February, by late in the month averaging a 10-point lead over Clinton (averaging CBS, USA Today, Gallup, and Pew polls). In early February it was dead heat and in late January the same polls averaged a 5 point advantage for Clinton. December polls averaged Clinton up by 18 points.
Once the race heated up in March, Clinton closed the gap of Obama's late-February lead, honing her attacks on him (which of course did so much to prepare him for the fall campaign). But Obama stayed 4-7 points ahead of Clinton from March through the beginning of June, when she finally conceded. It was really, really close. DU was of course an on-line Thunderdome of personal vitriol throughout the whole business.
Okay, jump to now. Sanders has surged just like Obama. Strangely, there seem to be fewer polls being conducted this time around. Taking an average of four polls (NBC-WSJ, CBS, USA Today, & Quinnipiac). But in December he was 24 points behind; in early January 16 points behind, and in early to mid February polls about 3 points behind.
In effect, Sanders-16 seems to be producing comparable polling results compared to Obama-08, but on a timeline about half a month behind Obama's performance. Again, after Obama peaked, Clinton honed her attacks and was able to drive his numbers down. The beginning of March is when her attacks resonated and closed the lead. No hate for her from this yellow dog... this is exactly what a primary opponent is supposed to do. You don't box the champ before taking on a sparring partner.
But for Sanders, he still needs to have that moment in the sun when he finally takes the lead in the polls. This is the time for him to do so. Unfortunately, we're now moving into the Southern primaries (SC next weekend; then on March 1st --AL, Ark, TX, GA, OK, TN, VA, plus a few token non-Southern states --Mass, Alaska, Minn, CO). This is worst possible timing for Sanders. It's gonna be 2 weeks of bad news before the voting moves into his stronger areas in the midwest, northeast, and Great Lakes.
Sanders supporters, this is THE time to volunteer at a local phone bank and call for Bernie.
(sources: http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm , http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16dem.htm , and http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/ )
mythology
(9,527 posts)And yes, for those who are adept at such things, volunteering for the campaign is a good idea.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)intentionally vague
The Traveler
(5,632 posts)Just teasing. ... couldn't resists an opening like that!
Cheers,
Trav
Cosmocat
(14,565 posts)Where bho was.
Bho won 6 of the first 8 primaries, had more sds in pocket ...
Its do or doie w sanders now, bernie people are burning boats.
Either will have a hard time beating rubio, but the primary is possibly mortally wounding hillary for a general run.
Bucky
(54,020 posts)Sanders is saying nothing Trump won't say, only Sanders is saying it nicer. Much nicer.
Cosmocat
(14,565 posts)There are a LOT of Bernie supporters (and I am voting Bernie in the primary) who have gone full conservative bat shit crazy over Hill, and won't come back into the fold in the general.
My own inner circle, I have a couple of reliable and even hard core dems my age 30s/40s who have said flat out they won't vote Hillary, one even said she would go Rubio if it came to a choice between the two.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Hillary Clinton's campaign was effectively over after she lost South Carolina. If you knew the demographics of a state you effectively knew the primary or caucus outcome, after that primary.
Hillary Clinton's campaign was effectively over after she lost South Carolina. That is where her hemorrhaging of African American votes really manifested itself and the hemorrhaging only worsened in the ensuing contests. She tried to counter it with a coalition of working class whites and Hispanics, but alas there weren't enough of them.
Senator Sanders is not President Obama and parallels between 2008 and 2016 are absent.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Technically, he's over now. He has lost the very important momentum going into SC and super tuesday. By March 15th, the pundits will be talking about Clinton's GE strategy and Sanders will be lost in the noise. He will win a couple of more states but nothing large enough to stop the bleeding. Plus, the Clinton surge that will start on Saturday will embolden more Super Delegates to throw their support behind Hillary. That super D number will climb higher and coupled with an ever increasing majority of pledged delegates then Sanders has no true path to victory.
It has always been about the math.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... Bernie will NOT be the nominee!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Hillary and Bill worked their asses off, schmoozing hotel/casino wait staffs for a straight week...
Hillary's strength as a retail politician is vastly underrated... I saw Latina hotel workers who looked like they would walk through a wall for her.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)They rocked that state. The caucuses are very difficult but Hillary shined with them. SC is going to be a cake walk for her compared to that.
Super tuesday is coming and it ain't going to be pretty for Sanders!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I can just see Bill Clinton saying "Trump can attack me all he wants because the election is about you and I will take the arrows for you all."
We will see how Hillary does. She doesn't have his political chops but she has his smarts, persistence, and tenacity...
Bill's stump speech is getting better but age is a cruel master. He made a great point...He said Trump is saying he will make America Great again. Bill said America has always been great. We just need to make it whole.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)He has always been playing catch-up. He needed time for his message to percolate, for his reputation to become anywhere nearly as well-known as is the Clinton brand, and for his more democratically-earned war chest to grow sufficiently to compete against The Establishment's.
There's going to come a make-or-break moment. Because this isn't 2008, though, I can't say just when that will be.
Bucky
(54,020 posts)If he's not winning half the states by March 15th, then he's only a protest candidate.
That's a shame, because I believe he can kick Trump's ass in November and I'm pretty sure Clinton can't.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)..it won't be the make-or-break moment.
Bucky
(54,020 posts)You know how important perception is. If the news is Clinton wins by 10% on this Saturday, and then by 5-15% in state after state, except for Vermont & Massachusetts, on the (Super) Tuesday after that (just 8 days from now), then the media will begin to trumpet how hopeless his campaign is. If he can't put together a string of wins by mid-March---and really I think the March 8th primaries (Michigan, Mississippi, plus Maine & Nebraska a few days before that) are the cut off---then he doesn't have a path to the delegate count he needs. He needs to be winning, not tying, by this time.
Of course it's unfair; NY, Calif, Fla, Ill., Penn., Md all are coming in too late for this to matter. But in politics, as in all public affairs, perceptions of momentum matter a lot--sometimes more than facts do.
Look, personally, I'm with Bernie till he says it's over. I'm not even all that fond of his economics. I just think he'll be a vastly stronger candidate than Clinton in the Fall. I'm in this to win and I'm deeply worried that Clinton can't. Really, I'm just saying that if people care about what Sanders stands for, they HAVE to do more than chat on line during their lunch breaks. They have to give money and they have to find a phone bank in their area to go volunteer to get something done in the next 8 days, or our cause will start taking on water.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)It was always a big if; it's just a smaller if now.