Sanders' ill-conceived free tuition "plan."
Sander's free college program is ill-conceived.
The US is unlike other countries that have free college in many different ways. One way is having both a private and state Universities. Another is having a highly federal system, in which state colleges and universities are run not by the federal governments but by the individual states, with individual states setting admissions policies, expenditure rates, etc so that universities in different states are funded at very different levels.
So you have to ask, how this plan works and what are its consequences in the peculiar setting of higher education that you find in America.
Once you start thinking about how this actually works and its actual effects and then you take a look at the actual proposal -- at least to the extent it reflects the legislation he introduced last year -- you get the feeling that he has thought through very little of this. Here is his actual bill.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/collegeforall/?inline=file
I don't pretend to know the answers to all the questions I raise below. But it does seem that Sanders proposal would be highly disruptive and would vastly alter the landscape of American Higher education in ways that he does not seem to fully anticipate. Perhaps for the good, perhaps not. It's much more than a "free tuition" plan. It's a plan to radically alter the educational landscape in America.
First, start with the fact that it's a plan for public Colleges and Universities only.
Here's a chart that shows the relative number of students who attend public and private Universities and Colleges both historically and projected out to 2024.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/183995/us-college-enrollment-and-projections-in-public-and-private-institutions/
Obvious point, since Sanders program applies to PUBLIC universities and colleges only, the cost (to students) gap between public and private universities is bound to significantly increased. And that suggest that the DEMAND for spaces in public universities will significantly increase. Unless SPACES in public universities increase as well, that means COMPETITION for spaces in public universities will become more intense.
How will that competition be managed? Will admission standards go up? Will we become like European Countries in which you have very restricted choices as to where you go to school. Part of the "bargain" that you get in Europe from free college is often that a single test determines if you go to college and where you go to college. America, by the way, has a MUCH more free and open University system than any country in Europe.
The analogy with public secondary education is a false one. We GUARANTEE places in a public school (supposedly an equally good public school, but that's a fantasy we all know) to every single child. Will we really guarantee a place in a public University to EVERY SINGLE STUDENT OF AGE? Doubt it. But if we do and if we lack the capacity, we must then develop the capacity to educate all students. States won't be able to ship excess students off to another state. And won't be able to say to some -- out of luck you have to "pay for a private school." (although some students no doubt still will, but you can worry about whether this will drive many especially lesser and financially precarious private schools out of business -- is that the plan, perhaps?).
We don't currently make such guarantees for colleges and universities -- though with the multi-faceted but highly tiered system in America (elite research universities, public and private, large state U systems that are multitiered, junior colleges, etc, most people can find a place.. Here in California, though, many, many, campuses in the Cal State system are "impacted." That is, they MUST turn away many many eligible students. So that's a big question, how do we manage the likely to be much increased competition for spaces in public colleges and universities? To every qualified student? How will we determine who is qualified and who is not or who among the qualified gets in? Is that to be left to the states? Will the be federal constraints on how states manage the increased competition? Sanders bill is silent on this.
One thing to note is that Sanders proposal only requires that states guarantees free tuition to In State students. States must, according to bullet point (2) of the legislation:
(2) ensure that tuition and required fees for in- State undergraduate students in the State’s public
higher education system are eliminated
I suppose that they are free to do the same for out of state students. But the proposal doesn't require them to do so and doesn't really incentivize them to do so either, as far as I can tell.
This is another thing, then, that seems to have the potential to significantly alter the incentive structure for students. It will incentivize more students to stay in State. Not only will it will make staying in state a a much more attractive option to both parents and students, but it will make it harder for state Universities to attract the much desired "out of state student" unless they can afford to make tuition free to out of state students too. But since the taxpayers of each state are still asked to kick in much of the cost of this, it is not clear that they will want to do this. In California, those already impacted Cal State campuses -- which accept almost not out of state students anyway (indeed, they accept almost no students from outside of what's called their local service area) -- will perhaps be even more impacted, as competition to get in them is only intensified.
Currently, some states, like probably Ohio, which was many, many more Universities than California, with many fewer students to attend them, may have a relative under-capacity. But California clearly has an under capacity. California exports lots of its students to public and private universities around the country. Ohio imports lots of students from other states. What will happen to this flow of students from state to state? Will Ohio have to cut capacity, while California grows capacity?
And what, more generally, about controlling costs? With greater demand and increased competition, you either have to grow capacity or restrict access. Growing capacity costs money. Sanders proposal makes no mention of this. Restrict access seems to be against the spirit of the proposal. We could go down the European route -- indeed there seems to build in pressure to go down that route from this proposal. Students are heavily tracked into college vs. vocational options. Mandatory entrance exams basically determine their entire fate. A high degree of government control over access is the cost you pay for having the government foot the entire bill.
Notice that what Sanders actual bill requires states to do along the line is the following:
(1) ensure that public institutions of higher
education in the State maintain per-pupil expenditures on instruction at levels that meet or exceed the
expenditures for the previous fiscal year;
(2) ensure that tuition and required fees for in-State undergraduate students in the State’s public
higher education system are eliminated;
(3) maintain State operating expenditures for public institutions of higher education, excluding the amount of funds provided for a fiscal year under this section, at a level that meets or exceeds the level of such support for fiscal year 2015;
(4) maintain State expenditures on need-based financial aid programs for enrollment in public institutions of higher education in the State at a level
24 that meets or exceeds the level of such support for fiscal year 2015;
(5) ensure public institutions of higher edu- cation in the State maintain funding for institutional need-based student financial aid in an amount that is equal to or exceeds the level of such funding for the previous fiscal year;
(6) provide an assurance that not later than 5 years after the date of enactment of this Act, not less than 75 percent of instruction at public institu- tions of higher education in the State is provided by tenured or tenure-track faculty;
(7) require that public institutions of higher education in the State provide, for each student en- rolled at the institution who receives for the max- imum Federal Pell Grant award under subpart 1 of part A of title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1070a et seq.), institutional stu- dent financial aid in an amount equal to 100 percent of the difference between—
(A) the cost of attendance at such institu- tion (as determined in accordance with section 472 of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1087ll)), and
(B) the sum of the amount of the maximum Federal Pell Grant award; and
(ii) the student’s expected family con- tribution; and
(8) ensure that public institutions of higher education in the State not adopt policies to reduce enrollment.
Nowhere are the tradeoffs -- which are many and I have highlighted just a few of them -- addressed.
Here's another one. Administrative cost in universities keep increasing -- and not just to pay for presidents salaries. Think of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Title IX and whole host of mostly FEDERAL regulations that impose significant administrative costs on Universities and colleges. Sanders proposal doesn't allow states to use federal money to meet any such costs. Will his proposals make administrative costs go up? Not clear. But I'd be surprised if not.
One way that public universities have tried to control cost is by the use of part-time and adjunct faculty. Sanders proposal requires that at least 75% of teaching faculty at state universities be tenure and tenure track. Currently about 41% of faculty at all American Universities combined are adjuncts (i.e. not tenure or tenure track.) So this would be a major and costly sea change. And by the way, those adjuncts are much more likely to teach at underfunded state universities. Perhaps for the best, that's not what I am saying. But it's an increased cost. How will that cost be paid? By putting downward pressure on regular faculty wages, perhaps? Again, that's IS one of things that happens in Europe. European academic salaries are SIGNIFICANTLY lower, on average than American Academic Salaries.
All in all, not really sure what to make of this bill. It seems like a sort of half-baked, half thought-out proposal to remake the American Higher educational landscape in the image of Europe. It's kind of what you'd expect from a Social Democrat of European vintage though. The dude has a serious case of Europe envy, I'd say.
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claimed to support Sanders. but never had a good word to say about Bernie, defended Hillary and only Hillary, and urged voting for the nominee (whoever it may be :rofl
until they switched to openly supporting Hillary.
I still think trashing the candidate you believe has the best chance in the general is self defeating, though.
BTW, I think he'll make a much better President than Hillary and the Party is shoot 2016 and its future in the foot. But, I digress...
Not sure why you don't see that. 
It's all about voting against the establishment and they do not expect him to really get anything done. 
Lots of young dems coming in back then and they needed the right info. The last few years the site has crashed in popularity and quite frankly, this format is for older people, so we mostly see new socks instead of new people. Most 18-29yr olds wouldn't be caught dead on a board like this and that is who we need to reach. So while DU may be good for us oldsters to plan strategy, IMHO it is just a complete and total waste of time talking to the rofl smiley crew. If you want a change of pace type reddit bernie into google and see how young people roll, if you haven't already. They are amazing, tireless, and wicked smart.
It is not like I am ever going to reach some greedy boomer who is just trying to featherbed their filthy nest at our expense anyway. This was the generation who got college for free or close to it, then took it away from us so they could make a buck. They inherited the strongest economy in the world, and sold it all to China for a quick buck. Now with Shillary they have one last chance to screw things up so badly we may never recover. The middle class, working class, poor, and environment can't take any more "triangulating". I so hope Our Lady of Inevitability gets indicted before she can completely destroy the party with her divisive racial attacks.
I'm sure while Bernie was getting arrested because he was proud to share a water fountain with his fellow humans, Hillary was triangulating a way to have 3 water fountains because she is so "liberal". Ya know, a third water fountain for teh gays. I imagine she would have been taking money from the water fountain conglomerates at the time to complete the picture I have of her and her ilk.
As in we "can't" have what other countries take for granted: universal healthcare, free college, better work conditions, stronger social programs for the poor and elderly, less bloated military....
Because NO, we just can't provide for the common good -- that would be socialism, right?
In any event, I am certainly not voting for the candidate who stands for war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs and Wall Street, to name just a few things I find abhorrent. So a criticism of Bernie's tuition plan is kinda moot.
Caveat: Anything that can be done once,
CAN BE DONE AGAIN!
