2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe race is tied... 51 Sanders 51 Clinton..in delegates... and Bernie leads the Popular vote..
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Clinton, on the other hand, is steadily losing support. Something to do with getting to know the candidates.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)that her numbers have been tanking and Bernie's keep on rising.
The delegate count is even and he can still win this.
Obama lost two states in a row--NH and NV--and he prevailed.
No reason that Bernie can't as well.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)but otherwise I agree: Sanders will win, and he should. Clinton is a nighmare at the top of the ticket. It would be 2014 all over again, only this time the White House would be lost too. She is unelectable.
cprise
(8,445 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)And the best part is Hillary blew some 90% or better of her bankroll on the first two states to shut Bernie out early.
We're tied.
It was supposed to be over Feb 10th.
We're tied and just getting started. It's going to be fun watching super delegates switch sides mid April.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Hillary was the expected winner there, so it was more about how close it would be, kinda like NH was for Hillary.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)Hillary loves those republican strongholds
William769
(55,147 posts)republicans aren't voting in the Democratic primary, Democrats are.
I'll be happy to teach you what you don't know if you'd like me to.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)Lets start with the swing states.
The cycle, what are the swing states?
William769
(55,147 posts)As to "swing states"
plural noun: swing states
a US state where the two major political parties have similar levels of support among voters, viewed as important in determining the overall result of a presidential election.
Fascinating, isn't it?
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)Teach!
William769
(55,147 posts)Go forth & learn!
Maybe I'll give another lesson tomorrow.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
Hi -- I literally registered on this site just so I could tell you how hilarious it is that the guy you're arguing with doesn't realize you're making fun of him.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)sometimes they think a little
Welcome
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Some of those states have open primaries, like Arkansas, where someone who has voted straight Republican their whole life, could still vote in the Democratic primary if they wanted to.
Just one primary to a customer, though.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)That Bernie has a chance to swing. Yes, I'm saying this point blank. I believe Bernie can win Kansas in the GE and Hillary can't. This is the one time when I will say "No you can't".
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Texas has almost three times the number of delegates as Iowa and New Hampshire combined. Good luck with ignoring Texas
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)Great food - #5 on a new list - many good people --
My vote in the general election was always meaningless - that is what your vote is
Sad truth
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)There are a ton of good Democrats in Texas working to turn our state blue and a Clinton/Castro ticket vs. Trump or Carnival Cruz could help move the process along. California used to be a reddish state until Pete Wilson ran against the Hispanic population with a platform that sounds like Trump's proposals
I have seen some polling by the state party and a Trump vs. Clinton/Castro fight would be good for the cause of turning Texas blue
DrDan
(20,411 posts)to next Saturday
then on to Super Tues
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It's just another reason caucuses suck.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...and the existence of superdelegates is successfully concealing the tie that Sanders has won so far.
The race can still go either way, but if the public are kept unaware, the myth of inevitability will win.
onenote
(42,714 posts)Yes. Bernie leads the popular vote based on the results of a single primary.
Whoop-de-fuckin'-do.
And I say that as a Bernie supporter who finds this kind of crapola tiresome and pointless.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...Hillary loses 5 votes.
Just sayin.
You guys were notorious for this mocking and bullying in the run up to Iowa. Then, when Iowa was a tie and you were handily beat in NH, we didn't see ROFL guy as much.
Now, that Hillary has won another state, you're into the mocking again.
Some of you just love kicking people that you feel are down. So attractive.
amborin
(16,631 posts)brooklynite
(94,598 posts)....this ONE STATE tally has been posted so many times I fell asleep.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Good luck with the math http://www.salon.com/2016/02/22/bernie_youre_done_following_nevada_loss_pundits_rush_to_write_sanders_campaign_obits/
New York Times
Noting the amassed delegate math in Clintons favor, so far, the Times reports that the odds of [Sanders] overtaking her growing increasingly remote:
Mrs. Clinton has 502 delegates to Mr. Sanderss 70; 2,383 are needed to win the nomination. These numbers include delegates won in state contests and superdelegates, who can support any candidate. She is likely to win a delegate jackpot from the overwhelmingly black and Hispanic areas in the Southern-dominated Super Tuesday primaries on March 1, when 11 states will vote and about 880 delegates will be awarded.
Since delegates are awarded proportionally based on vote tallies in congressional districts and some other areas, only blowout victories yield large numbers of delegates. And Mrs. Clinton is better positioned than Mr. Sanders to win big in more delegate-rich districts, like those carved out to ensure minority Democrats in Congress, where she remains popular.
Slate
Barring a catastrophe, Slates Jamelle Bouie wrote, Clintons nomination is inevitable again.
This doesnt mean the campaign is over, Bouie was quick to note, adding that Sanders is still a formidable candidate.
But the uncertainty that has defined the race since New Hampshire is over for the time being. Clinton still has her advantage with black and Latino voters, and in a Democratic primary, that is dispositive, he concludes.
The fact that Sanders has given up on South Carolina is not a good sign
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Wall Street.. you have the support of the corrupt establishment politicians.. the same politicians who were kind enough to redistribute all our wealth the top few percent of our society.. you have the support of the lobbyist who fight to keep the status quo.. Your campaign is nothing to be proud of... you may win the battle but you may destroy the Democratic Party in the mean time..
We will fight you all the way to the Convention
It's 51 del to 51 del ... good luck
Beacool
(30,250 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)looking mighty grim
[King Arthur has just cut the Black Knight's last leg off]
Black Knight: All right, we'll call it a draw.
King Arthur: [Preparing to leave] Come, Patsy.
[King Arthur and Patsy ride off]
Black Knight: [calling after King Arthur] Oh, oh, I see! Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)I think he has some good ideas. He's honest. But a leader - no. I see Hillary far more so.
I also have no problem with incremental progress. Throwing for the end-zone on every play gets one nowhere.
Finally - I see her as far more electable. She has been tried and branded for decades. I admired the way she handled herself with Gowdy. She did not buckle. I know the polls show something else with regard to electability - but I just don't buy it.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)The math here is amusing
morningfog
(18,115 posts)THe pledged delegates are pledged. They count as of now.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)for some.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)...and then it's all over but the crying.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)unAmerican, corrupt "super" delegates in your pocket.. seems like a right wing trick
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Nothing new, except to neophyte Bernie supporters who just started paying attention to politics in the past 6 months.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)support a corrupt, illegitimate, unAmerican election process.... that is embarrassing to our Country and our Party.. Democracy is being subverted..time for serious people
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)Clinton ekes out last NV delegate to take the lead in delegates 52-51!!
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Brian Fallon ?@brianefallon 12h12 hours ago
Brian Fallon Retweeted Stephen Ohlemacher
AP confirms Clinton's lead in pledged delegates after first three nominating contests
Brian Fallon added,
Stephen Ohlemacher ?@stephenatap 12h12 hours ago
With superdelegates, Clinton has a much bigger lead in the overall delegate race.
Clinton: 503
Sanders: 70
#APDelegateCount
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Stephen Ohlemacher ?@stephenatap 12h12 hours ago
Clinton ekes out last Nevada delegate to take the lead in delegates won in caucuses and primaries.
Clinton; 52
Sanders: 51
#APDelegateCount
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Devin Driscoll ?@short_pants 16h16 hours ago
According to #APDelegateCount:
Clinton - 503
Sanders - 70
Brian Fallon ?@brianefallon 14h14 hours ago
We have won final delegate in NV CD-4, meaning we won NV 20-15. HRC now takes natl delegate lead, 52-51. Not planning on ever giving it back
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Given the scandal right now with them and the DNC letting some corporate people be Superdelegates.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid