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What will Hillary fight to change? (Original Post) Cassiopeia Feb 2016 OP
She'll change her mind when politically expedient. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #1
PRECISELY! She Is WORTHLESS AND MOST OF ALL COMPLETELY... COMPLETELY UNTRUSTWORTHY! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #15
Presidents don't "fight" anything or anyone Recursion Feb 2016 #2
I disagree. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #3
What, concretely, does "fight" mean to you? Recursion Feb 2016 #4
We got the Civil Rights Act and the Votings Rights Act during LBJ's term Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #8
So, again, what does "fight" actually mean? Recursion Feb 2016 #12
Fight actually means using the bully pulpit to press for your desired legislation Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #16
So, LBJ sent his VP on TV to praise Dirksen, and that's "fighting"? Recursion Feb 2016 #20
So, in the end Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #22
I can't list it because I don't know what "fight" means. I can't list it for Sanders either Recursion Feb 2016 #23
Ok, list 3 policies Clinton stands firmly behind Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #24
HERE Is Hillary "Fighting".. but for WHO??? CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #17
Then all is lost. Orsino Feb 2016 #21
You need a pep talk to keep the Republicans from total control of our government? BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #5
Not a Republican. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #6
Yeah; here's what that means since you apparently need a reminder BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #7
How about something Hillary wants for us. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #9
I know what she won't do and that should be more than good enough for you, too BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #10
Seriously? Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #13
Wreck the economy, our alliances, blow up the world BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #14
Then why don't you post some of the great stuff she will do Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #18
There is nothing. You will not get an answer, really. djean111 Feb 2016 #11
She will do this Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #19

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
15. PRECISELY! She Is WORTHLESS AND MOST OF ALL COMPLETELY... COMPLETELY UNTRUSTWORTHY!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:18 AM
Feb 2016




THIS IS Fucking GREAT!!!!



Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. Presidents don't "fight" anything or anyone
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:13 AM
Feb 2016

The question rests on a false assumption, that Presidents "fight" to begin with.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
3. I disagree.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:20 AM
Feb 2016

We have accomplished many great things with Presidents fighting for them. We got SS, welfare, PPACA, and fighting really damn hard for TPP, to name a few things. The list really is endless. The POTUS does make a difference.

So, name something Hillary is going to fight for, something she will make a goal of her administration. She's so well known all over the entire globe and been in the national spotlight for decades. there must be something that she is going to focus on that we desperately need.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. What, concretely, does "fight" mean to you?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:21 AM
Feb 2016

We got SS and AFDC during FDR's administration, for instance; what concrete actions did he take that you consider "fighting"?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
8. We got the Civil Rights Act and the Votings Rights Act during LBJ's term
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:46 AM
Feb 2016

And he did FIGHT for those things. He fought against his own party, just like FDR fought against elements in his own party (like Senator Carter Glass) who thought he was a Communist or Socialist.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. So, again, what does "fight" actually mean?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:02 AM
Feb 2016

What actual actions did he take that you consider "fighting"?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
16. Fight actually means using the bully pulpit to press for your desired legislation
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:19 AM
Feb 2016

It also means doing what needs to be done behind the scenes to get the legislation passed. For example,

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/How-LBJ-Twisted-Dirksens-Arm-155727255.html

And FDR had a lot of opposition to overcome with his New Deal. If he hadn't fought for it, no progress would have been made.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_critics_of_the_New_Deal



Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. So, LBJ sent his VP on TV to praise Dirksen, and that's "fighting"?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:37 AM
Feb 2016


OK. I really do think you should think about this a little more.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
22. So, in the end
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:38 PM
Feb 2016

you can't list 3 policies that Clinton truly believes in and will push or fight for. Instead you have chosen to ask for the definition of "fight."

That is a theme with the Clinton's. It all depends on what we think the definition of "is" is.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
23. I can't list it because I don't know what "fight" means. I can't list it for Sanders either
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:41 PM
Feb 2016

Because, again, it doesn't really !mean anything.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
24. Ok, list 3 policies Clinton stands firmly behind
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:56 PM
Feb 2016

and has dedicated herself to over the course of her career.

Does that make it easier for you?

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
17. HERE Is Hillary "Fighting".. but for WHO???
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:20 AM
Feb 2016
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Orsino

(37,428 posts)
21. Then all is lost.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:42 AM
Feb 2016

Directly (or nearly so) electing one of the three branches of government is how we fight the inertia of the other two.

Change is badly needed, and I hope we will all lobby the hell out of the next president until s/he fights for us.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
6. Not a Republican.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:41 AM
Feb 2016

Got it.

Anything else? Maybe something she wants to be a legacy and you believe she will expend every effort trying to achieve?

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
9. How about something Hillary wants for us.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:48 AM
Feb 2016

Something that will change our lives. Something that will help.

Something she has stood for and believes we need.

Anything?

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
13. Seriously?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:06 AM
Feb 2016

You can't name one thing Hillary stands for and will try to change. All you have is she's not a Republican and she won't do stuff.

Well OK, let's do it.

What WON'T Hillary do?

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
14. Wreck the economy, our alliances, blow up the world
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:12 AM
Feb 2016

I'm setting the bar low, because that's what we'd get with the alternative.

Then there are little things like not forcing food stamp recipients to take drug tests. You ok with that? The Republicans seem very attached to the concept.

You can go to Hillary's website and see all the things she would try to do to make peoples lives better. Whether she can get them done without Republican support is another question. But she won't be a racist, vindictive fuck, which is the alternative. Sorry if that doesn't do it for you. It's more than enough for me.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
11. There is nothing. You will not get an answer, really.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:52 AM
Feb 2016

She will just do the Third Way Shuffle - incrementally.

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