Look at his twitter its full of South Carolina

https://twitter.com/berniesanders

Uh...


Nevermind.

Gee it worked in 98% white folks states.

Pass that scrumptious cream gravy, please.

Lol

elsewhere at this point.

Certain other unnamed people

David Brock and other unnamed people from the corporate world doing exactly what?

What about her coming out and saying that she will be transparent-----------------ok, lets see the transcripts, she was asked a specific question in Nevada and were still waiting, produce the transcripts or the recordings -----------------she is suppose to be for the "people" which "people"----------------why will she not do this---------------------is she trying to flee?

Once a dog is bitten we bite back

http://www.examiner.com/article/controversial-hillary-attack-dog-david-brock-draws-ire-from-clinton-contributors


http://bsccomment.com/2016/02/20/pressure-grows-on-hillary-clinton-to-release-goldman-sachs.html

Plus, there is no polling evidence to suggest Sanders will only lose by 10.

all through the super tuesday states in advance of the primaries there.

They are doin a bang up job for him alright!

sorta like what happened to Ms. Huerta.

for double duty!

Going to lose by 20 regardless of his efforts...need to shore up MA, VT, CO, VA and OK...need those win in order to offset Clinton's momentum...

At this point, he should write off the African American vote. If they don't appreciate his past civil rights efforts / records and the benefits of his economic plans over Clinton's status quo, then eff it...can't out pander the master, so why try?

That said, Latinos seem receptive and should be his focus going forward as CA, AZ, NM and TX are more important than GA, AL, MS, LA, SC, TN and NC...

Additiinally, he should stress his entitlement refrom strategy in order to cut Clinton's margins with the 45+ crowd (which is what killed NV for him)...

and oh so apt!

That cartoon!

Congrats.

Keep fishing.

Funny. Folks get mad at me for noticing but never say nothing to the poster who posted it

Doing the same things.

I'm not mad at you. I'm just calling you out. You're working for your candidate. I get it.

It is what it is.

I just think you're not helping in the long term goal. Just my opinion.

I will vote for Hillary in the general if she wins because i hate every one of those Republicans and feel they would be a huge disaster.

Some people won't look at it like that. They will get mad.

And the prospect of people washing their hands of her and sitting home in the general election concerns me.

President Trump or Cruz or Rubio bothers me.

I don't care if you criticize Bernie--have at it.

But when you get into racially divisive baiting it feels personal.

And Hillary doesn't even need that. She already has the AA vote. It's not close.

It's the other votes she'll need later.

After poster after poster after poster, so it feel personal to me too.

BA, MBA, Ph.D. Until spellcheck came along, I spelled 'alot' and 'alittle' for years.

Insulting someone because they misspelled a word is ridiculous.

How about posting ideas instead of insults? It's a much more productive use of everyone's time.

Here we are months later and still talking about it.

What I found was a secret dark place

I've seen the screenshots.

If so, just come out and say it...

Please explain...

Turns out I'm a bit more progressive apparently.

Take the 21 delegates and fight elsewhere...potential victories in MA, VA, CO and OK mean more than a 15% loss in SC instead of a 20% loss...

Ever onward!

Really?

He's made his case and they haven't been receptive; why go out of your way spending time, money and resources in a state or a on block of voters who can't be swayed?

for those purporting to be on the left to marginalize and ignore non-white voters.

Latinos are more receptive and make up just as much of the primary vote and they are repsent a major voting block coming later primary calendar. The bulk of the states with large AA populations (in order of size; MS, GA, LA, MD, AL, SC, NC, DE, VA, TN and VA) vote early in the process (SC is on 2/27, AL, AR, GA, TN and VA are on 3/1, LA is on 3/5, MS is on 3/8) and its too late to effectively change minds. So again, why waste time, money and resources?

At a minimum (assuming the Vox pice is correct), Bernie is performing markedly better 45/55 as opposed to 25/75...

Zero.

If he is going to save resources by refusing to campaign for black votes, he should save a lot more and suspend his campaign.

Getting the majority of white and latino voters in non-Southern states is enough to win most primaries.

Again his time, money and resources are finite.

He doesn't have the benefit of the establishment and its GOTV machine. Bulding a movement from scratch takes a while...and as previously stated, the calendar is front loaded with Southern states...

New York, California, New Jersey, Illinois, Pennsylvania (Philly), MD, VA.

And hope Minnesota and Vermont somehow make up for that?

As of 2014, the populatuon distribution is as follows;

State White. Black. Latino. Asian Other
NY. 57% 13% 18% 10% 2%
CA. 39% 5% 38% 15% 3%
NJ. 58% 13% 19% 9% 1%
PA. 77% 10% 7% 3% 3%
IL. 64% 13% 16% 6% 1%

For Comparison;

Already Voted

State. White. Black. Latino. Asian. Other
IA. 88% 3% 5% 3% 0%
NH. 92% 1% 3% 3% 1%
NV. 50% 9% 28% 9% 3%

This Week (2/27)
SC. 64% 27% 6% 1% 1%

Super Tuesday
State. White. Black. Latino. Asian. Other
AL. 66% 27% 4% 2% 1%
AR. 72% 16% 7% 0% 3%
CO. 70% 4% 21% 2% 2%
GA. 53% 31% 10% 4% 2%
MN. 79% 6% 6% 5% 2%
OK. 68% 7% 11% 2% 12%
TN. 74% 17% 6% 1% 0%
TX. 44% 12% 38% 4% 1%
VT. 94% 1% 1% 2% 2%
VA

New York, California, New Jersey, Illinois, Pennsylvania down south?

Was there an earthquake or something? I was not informed.

NJ and NY are Clinton's backyard.

PA is especially problematic because the statewide vote is really driven by the Philly machine

No one wins the democratic nomination without the Obama coalition.

I realize that the Bernsters were trying to get around this fact by the so-called "millennial generation revolution" flooding into the polling places and lifting him to victory but...

That has failed to materialize....it was and is an illusion.

So we go back to square one...No one wins the democratic nomination without the Obama coalition.

black people don't exist?

I just have no idea why people are saying that Sanders supporters are turning off minority voters.

Being all inclusive and welcoming everybody from everywhere is probably where his campaign is coming from what i can tell. The divide and concur leaves you with a lot of splinters you will need to tie up, thus making things more difficult later on........

I'm not saying ignore, just stop spending your finite resources (time, money and people) trying to convert / convince a group that already has their mind made up (especially when their influence is front loaded on the primary calendar).

Outside of President Obama endorsing Sanders (which will never happen), nothing will significantly change the way AA voters think about Bernie and Hillary...

Making further progress with latinos (dpending upon the source, he's either leading or down by 10 points with them) and cutting into Hillary's margin with those 45+ (currently loding 33 to 66) is a better use of his finite resources, especially with the primary calendar after Super Tuesday...

What should he do next then?

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And the 20 lead points is based only upon 2 polls;
PPP from 02/16 with Clinton up 23%
KVTV-CBS from 01/25 with Clinton up 34%

I don't doubt the PPP poll results, but I expect the race to tighten as voters begin paying more attention...

Texas is 44% white and 38% latino...nothing like SC...

in Nevada. Say a nice "thank you" to Susan Sarandon and the Bros who engaged in overt, documented voter suppression by not allowing a translation of instructions for non-English speaking caucus attendees.

The irony is that Bernie is being done in by his own followers and by his own cultural awkwardness with POC. Watch the SC video. He did just about everything wrong he could do.

BTW, there is a video that shows the entire thing and proves Huerta and America Ferraro (both known HRC supporters) are lying...

Check it out here (at the bottom of the page between minutes 49:30 and 56:00)

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

The "shouting down" is in clear objection to a Clinton operative being allowed to translate to non-English speakers without people knowing / understanding what she was saying (because lobbying for your candidate was not allowed at that point)...its pretty clear what went (unless of course you are that big of a partisan hack)...

Huerta's stunt just proves HRC's desperation...they are losing the latino vote (especially the young)

BTW, the only voter suppression that took place was my union member's that supported Clinton and their threats prosecute of the dirty Republican tricksters that were going to caucus...fear and intimidation are how the establishment stays in power

about Hispanics, do you?

Dolores Huerta is not a "Clinton operative." She's a hero on the order of Martin Luther King. She's a Medal of Freedom recipient, and like John Lewis, one good doctor away from being a martyr.

We've seen the obviously edited video on Snopes. We've also seen the video of Sarandon stalking Huerta. I suggest you check out Buzzfeed, which had two politically unaligned reporters on the scen who corroborate Huerta's account.

Seriously, you'd fare better insulting someone's mother.

She has been giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Clinton Global Initiative...

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf

See page 33 of 34...

That's $100,000 just in 2010

And the Snopes video is not edited...

Care to play again?

It's 5 days until SC and 8 until Super Tuesday...

After Super Tuesday, given how front loaded the primary calendar is, the latino vote will matter much more...

couple of days here by some Sanders supporters about what happened in Las Vegas?

I know it was Las Vegas but what happened there is not staying in Vegas.

Word gets around and he might not have that Latino support because of how a revered activist was accused of being a bribe taker and liar.

Yeah, Ms. Huerta is full of it...

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

Its a political ploy to hurt Sanders and nothing more..

They never seem to use the plural. It is always "vote" and they think they can hold it hostage with their "Bernie can't win" crap.

I ask myself 'why do they group people by skin color rather than by the issues and goals most important to them as individuals?' Sanders is clearly driven by a fight against injustice whether that is people trying to rip off Social Security or the Clinton administration stuffing more Americans into prison.



Addressing people as individuals who can make up their own minds about who is more concerned with injustice is far more respectful than calling them "your firewall" as if they are some kind of human shield to be used your personal defense and protection.

your chart shows started a decade before Bill was in the White House?

Ironic.

changing the Federal stance on non-violent offenses.

Highlights:
Requires a mandatory life sentence in prison to any individual who is convicted of committing their third serious violent or drug-related crime.
Increases the number of crimes subject to the death penalty, including crimes where no one is killed.
Prohibits the imposition of the death penalty on the basis of race, religion, national origin, or sex.
Reduces the age at which a juvenile may be tried as an adult in court for committing a violent crime from 15 years of age to 13.
$13.5 billion for the development, expansion, modification, and operation of prisons.
$9.04 billion for crime prevention and rehabilitation programs.
$3.45 billion for an increase in police presence, hiring and training officers, and developing cooperative efforts between law enforcement agencies and local citizens.

and an assault weapons ban, for good measure.

That's the problem with judging something on "a vote." If Bernie had voted the other way, he'd be getting slammed for voting against the VAWA.

It reached an inflection point at about the time Bill Clinton took office, and started decreasing during Clinton's era. If you don't understand rates of change and inflection points, don't worry, just understand your graph does not support your claim.

The irony is that you are trying to explain that monolithic blocks don't apply to some groups, while castigating both the Clintons as a monolithic block.

Peaks around 2007/08 with 7.3 mil Americans in the penal system, 2.3 mil in jail and prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate#/media/File:US_adult_correctional_population_timeline.gif

Your graph does not support you.

and you are doing yoga stretches to go around that.

Of course I understand rates of change but apparently you see what you want to see so that you can feel superior. Enjoy.

The rate of incarcerations did not increase under Clinton, but started to go down. They ramped up under Reagan and Bush I and started to decline with Clinton.

If you look at the chart, the number incarcerated started curving up all the way back in the 70s. By the time Bill Clinton took office in 93, the slope of the line had reached its maximum and starts to curve down, indicating that rate of incarceration was starting to decline.

Add in the fact of the length of a sentence causes an individual to remain on the chart, and your premise is blown.

But the real Kicker is that you wanted lecture on monolithic blocks, while clumping the Clintons together.

You do understand that it is not Bill Clinton that is running for office in 2016?

Here is what Clinton did as President:

1. Created incentives to individual states to build more prisons, to put more people behind bars and to keep them there for longer.

2. Presided over the introduction of a federal three-strikes law that brought mandatory long sentences.

3. Under “truth in sentencing”, states which sentenced people to long terms in prison with no chance of parole were rewarded with increased federal funds.

4. Created Community Oriented Policing Services – in which federal money was provided to states to allow them vastly to increase the number of police officers on the streets – in turn generating more arrests and more convictions.

But now that his wife is running for Prez, Billary has evolved:

You apparently are unable to see them as individuals. Sad.

and worked to put some things into the bill that the Dems wanted. He had previously vetoed similar more harsh legislation. And please don't forget, Bernie voted FOR that same bill. If Hillary can be held to blame for the Iraq invasion because of her one vote, Bernie can be held to blame or the crime bill for his one vote.

Bernie hasn't done better than 25 / 75 in the first 3 states and all polls predict the same result going forward and that's not going to change over the next 5 - 8 days.

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...and DU tends to require a certain amount of political correctness, I think your point is well taken. Clinton is polling something like 3-to-1 over Sanders among AA in SC. Based on the results of his efforts so far, the odds that Sanders can tremendously shift those numbers in the next 5 days is kind of small, so putting a lot more effort into courting the AA vote in SC In particular may not be the best use of his resources at this point, with so many places needing his attention between now and Super Tuesday. Unless maybe he can pull out a rabbit, I don't know what. Would a Jesse Jackson endorsement change the landscape? Not sure. Unlikely to happen anyway.

Hillary has a 50 state campaign.

Please explain...

It's an ultra-conservative state. I admire Bernie for his effort to educate the public on the benefits of a more liberal/progressive society in a place like S.C.

in the big blue states (New York, New Jersey, California) then what is his path to victory?

...some people here have imagined Sanders winning NYS. If Zephyr Teachout couldn't do it, Sanders can't either.

...she was battling an incumbent (Cuomo), and he refused to even debate her.

Despite those huge strikes against her, she actually did quite a bit better than almost anyone expected.

I don't know whether Sanders could win NY, but I think it could certainly at least be a lot closer than it looks so far.

It would be good to see some of the bigger blue states hold their primaries earlier. We'd get a better idea of how the candidates will do against each other there. It seems as if our primary system is front loaded with conservative states.

he is not going to get "walloped" in the big blue states. in fact, after super Tuesday (which he will win some of the states), the states that follow provide a very favorable schedule for bernie

but bernie is likely to do well in blue states, just as Hillary is likely to do well in red states.

for obvious reasons

He loses SC becuase of AA voters...

you are in the wrong party.

Republicans own that, uh, category.

cuz its rural and white---er,

never mind