2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSusan Sarandon Harassing Dolores Huerta
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shameful
djean111
(14,255 posts)other things that Hillary is for.
I don't give a rat's ass about all the other stuff.
Nothing can override my hatred of war and fracking and the TPP and the Third Way.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)MuseRider
(34,111 posts)+1000
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)This post is named in a PURPOSEFULLY denigrating manner toward Susan Sarandon. I watched the ENTIRE video and at NO time did Susan HARASS ANYONE!
djean111
(14,255 posts)outright lies. And they think it is okay because they need to win at all costs.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)She deserves to be trolled...
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)she doesn't deserve to be trolled or trashed
w4rma
(31,700 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)posting a video of an actress badgering an icon? We didn't make SS harass her, she did that of her own volition
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Clinton. And then whining and playing the victim when the other half of the Democratic Party gets pissed off about it and tries to correct the record and get that previously respected individual to retract their smear.
It's the same pattern, over and over. Hillary is unelectable *and* she's tarnishing the Democratic brand. Dump her.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)did Hillary hire Susan Sarandon to harass Dolores Huerta?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Even good people do stupid shit for big wads of money, even if that money is only going to a charity that they run.
this is beyond ridiculous at this point
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)Do you have no shame?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Do YOU have no shame, "Dem2"?
is all you got? Very nice.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)I stand by it 100%.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Inane and superficial is hardly the word I would use for that quote. One of the greatest quotes ever. Unless you meant that the the poster used it inanely or something.....
frylock
(34,825 posts)Because if we called them out on their lies, Hillarians couldn't whinge about alleged racism or sexism.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)sister_rosa_refried
(447 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)She's burned all that good-will and credit.
If she doesn't want to be attacked for being a provable liar who throws around claims of racism casually in order advance the chances of her chosen candidate...she should stop doing so and being so.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)and all, sadly true
I thought Susan Sarandon handled things beautifully... I tend to get rather shrill when I attempt to talk to people who are so willfully ignorant or who cover their asses with lying.
Like so many other HRC surrogates, Delores has demeaned and disgraced herself.
Gene Debs
(582 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Her past created tons of cred. Her lies diminish that.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)The moderator yelled "English only" and the crowd cheered. Appalling.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)I'll try but I'm on my phone.
My wife is furious. She's fairly apolitical and isn't paying much attention to the primaries, but she's now focused like a laser beam on Bernie Sanders and it ain't good.
You don't want to see Latin women get mad, and smearing Dolores Huerta is the surest way I know to get a middle-aged Latina really angry.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)It was disgusting
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)Can you believe this?
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)It brought me out of retirement!
I just IMed you something.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Saturday and Tuesday can't come quickly enough.
I cannot wait!
Chezboo
(230 posts)CLAIM: Supporters of Bernie Sanders shouted "English only" at civil rights activist Dolores Huerta during one Nevada caucus event, ostensibly objecting to a translation of remarks into Spanish.
FALSE
http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/
yardwork
(61,650 posts)The source for snopes is Susan Sarandon.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)The Sanders fanatics don't see the racism there, though. All they see is their God.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Susan Sarandon was not trolling or trashing Dolores Huerta. She was just informing her of a fact that will interest Dolores Huerta.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)But you keep right on pushing this and Bernie will once again have to come out an denounce your behavior.
melman
(7,681 posts)You should be embarrassed.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)If Susan wants to talk down to Dolores like she is a lowly housekeeper, go for it.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)or held responsible for what they do or say.....and they certainly can't stand up for themselves.
The vast them vs. us conspiracy.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Putting a finger in her face and talking down to her like she was lower than low, like she doesn't belong, like she is no better than dirt, like she isn't supposed to have an opinion. Sarandon is a Naderite and has no business in the Democratic Party, period and has no business even walking on the same ground as Dolores.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Wow, just wow...
isn't it?
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Susan did not "harass" her, she was pointing out facts, if that is harassment then you have a problem with the truth. And treating her as a "lowly housekeeper"??? Obviously, that is how you see Dolores, because at no time did I see Susan treating her in that way.
This woman Dolores went out saying this about Sanders which are not true, what is wrong with pointing it out to her that what she said is false? Should she be allowed to continue telling lies because she is an icon? Bull!
You just pointed out, unintentionally, the real problem with politics in this country, everyone is a fanatic, they don't want to hear facts, I would venture to say that 90% of voters have no idea about the plans of the politicians they vote for, they always vote against their own interests.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)but you get to decide who has business talking to other people? Awesome! I'm so glad you were declared "in charge"!!!
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)He has more integrity in his little to than Hillary or Dolores combined!
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Hadn't gone on his narcississtic run. Not A dime's worth of difference? BS
frylock
(34,825 posts)Fucking laughable.
Response to Fuddnik (Reply #111)
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kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Unless this place has turned into a Green Party site. (I actually wouldn't be too surprised about that). Ralph Nader used to be an icon until he screwed over this country with his narcissistic actions. As far as George W Bush goes, the Iraq war is not the only deplorable thing he did.... Far from it. The environment, torturing/water boarding prisoners, outing of Valerie Plame, suspending habeus corpus. I could go on and on.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)eeeeeeiiiiiiiiiii
No business talking to Dolores ATTTT ALLLLLLL!!
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)You know, there's a point where the Clinton campaign's distinctive bellycrawl almost becomes impressive.
That's pretty much your 'reverse 2½ somersaults with a twist', right?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)for those poor folks scrubbing toilets for the likes of multi-millionaire candidates like Clinton.
Bernie is fighting for those "lowly housekeepers" to have higher wages, affordable healthcare, and a better life.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And ironic. And just plain... well you know. Oh, maybe you don't.
I wonder when you will realize what you actually just did there. Wow.
.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...no matter how many times he's admonished and disavowed the bullying, they just seem to double down. Not much of an endorsement for a people's revolution. Not much of an endorsement for their leader.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
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Dolores Huerta is a liar...
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What a horrible thing to say about an 86 year old civil rights icon! Deserves to be trolled? What's wrongcwithvthis poster? This is evil!
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Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Though admitedly it might be a bit of a stretch, I still give her the benefit of the doubt that her legitimate perception didn't match reality (it happens to people all the time), but it's completely understandable that some would consider it deliberate dishonesty. It didn't help that multiple Clinton super fans were gleefully posting something that has been proven to have not happened. Had me fooled before more came out, I was pretty pissed off.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I have to assume she's lying.
840high
(17,196 posts)Response to hoosierlib (Reply #2)
geek tragedy This message was self-deleted by its author.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)No one should ever get in the face of an icon like Dolores.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Lame.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...
Broward
(1,976 posts)The alternative is almost worse that anyone would condone lying because of the past deeds of that person. Who thinks like this?
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)a younger (69) privileged white woman harrassing an elderly (85) Hispanic woman and human rights icon to convince People of Color about the revolution, eh?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)discussion with someone with whom you disagree!
And make that 85 YOUNG. If she's young enough to be there to influence the outcome of the election, she's young enough to get into a head-on discussion about the candidates.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)I don't take kindly to people confronting 85 year old persons in such an aggressive way.
Really, Susan, did you really need to do that?
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...what a disgrace.
Sarandon talks to this civil rights icon like she's telling off her housekeeper.
Allan Brauer ?@allanbrauer 6h6 hours ago
Dolores Huerta: I dont feel that Sanders people respect our community http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/dolores-huerta-i-dont-feel-sanders-people-respect-our-community/#.Vsqz3z65Ibl.twitter
Giovanni Hashimoto ?@VanniHashimoto 11h11 hours ago
First, they call @NARAL, @HRC & @PPact "establishment"
Then they demonize John Lewis & call Dolores Huerta a liar
Only4RM ?@Only4RM 7h7 hours ago
Ppl practically wanting to carve #Bernie next to #MLK on the granite in DC for 1yr of protests dismiss #Lewis & #Huerta's LIFELONG ACTIVISM.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...are they really Democrats?
Their candidate is an opportunistic one, keeping the party at arm's length throughout his career, at least in his self-identification, but voting with the party over 98% of the time.
I suspect the Democratic party for many of these flame-throwers and bullies is just a convenient shell for them as they attempt to force a wedge between Democrats.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)would have more class than that.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...such destructive behavior. I don't believe anyone behaving like that is operating in the best interests of our party.
All I can think of when I see that is 'privilege.' She had the luxury to go on and on about Monsanto and campaign contributions, oblivious to the concerns that Ms. Huerta brought to the caucus. She couldn't have cared less.
The most effective strategy, if Sarandon or others really want supporters for Bernie, would be to listen to what the person is saying with some modicum of respect for their opinion. After all, we all bring our issues and interests to this coalition with the hope and opportunity for those to be heard, and, if fortunate, to have them acted on in the legislature.
Badgering folks, like Sarandon was doing to this beloved octogenarian, is the absolute worst way to treat a potential ally.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)it's not just anonymous trolls on the internet harassing people
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)no class at all.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The stereotypical sanctimonious limousine liberal.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)They have put Sarandon out there to go after latinos and are attacking Clyburn in SC.
Maybe the plan is to throw the primary to Hillary!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It lets everyone know where Bernie stands if he remains silent about these outrageous acts performed by his surrogates.
We will see how that works out for him in SC and super tuesday.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)treating her like that
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)it's nice to see you back again forcefully taking on these issues!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I think I will still do a protest vote for Sanders in NY--the nomination will be decided by then and I still hope Sanders can provide some leftward pressure, even if I don't think he should be the nominee.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Have a good one!
mcar
(42,334 posts)in the wilderness that is GDP.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)And they have no idea what a big mistake they just made. Huge.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)UGH
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)Just looks at who supports that ugly vile person. Susan and her supporters are just shameful.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)across dinner tables and card games.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)calls Huerta a liar, we see that there is a context, if not an agenda. It also does not put Sarandon in a good light at all.
frylock
(34,825 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)And the problem is...?
Response to LittleBlue (Reply #196)
rbrnmw This message was self-deleted by its author.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I guess when you have a $50,000,000.00 net worth and are part of the majority you can exercise a lot of privilege.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)speaks to urgency of getting this nomination wrapped up and avoid any further embarrassment to DU. When is it ever okay for a Democrat to verbally disrespect the elderly?
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)Thanks Susan, for Bush and all the misery he brought to the American people.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)anything, but especially about immigration and agriculture, wtf.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)No one can shield themselves from it.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)LOL.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I will remember her as Sister Helen Prejean and not the ideologically driven advocate who hectors octogenarian civil rights leaders.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)That is.. immigration bill and Monsanto.
No, Hillary Clinton Does Not Work For Monsanto
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/no-hillary-clinton-does-not-work-for-monsanto/
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Dolores Huerta must have thought she'd been accosted by a lunatic.
seaglass
(8,173 posts)the browbeater's candidate. It's completely ineffective and makes the person doing it look like an asshole.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I'm sure Dolores Huerta doesn't need lessons from someone who was in saddle shoes when Dolores was running political rings around actual farming oligarchs.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)You've got to come with respect toward an elder. Not harangue and talk down to them.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)This isn't the internet where supporters of a certain candidate can patronize others with impunity...
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Very unprofessional.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)What's your theory?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Don't let the fact that there is video proving the incident never happened keep you from being convinced that it did.
Pathetic.
.
melman
(7,681 posts)What, this woman can't handle having a conversation?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Hear over all that racket?
Susan was not disrespectful.
I'm not seeing the outrage.
Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)It's all for show. 100% fake.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)It's starting to seem like a whole campaign based around lying.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)You see what's happening here? You see the Clintons dragging everyone into the mud?
They would do anything. They're creating all these false conflicts to divert attention away from real issues.
They had to get Warren and Biden out of the way. They had to subject us to yet another Hillary Clinton run all because she wanted to be president, and 3rd way dems and their scumbag lobbyists wanted to keep subverting our government for their double pensions and their endless revolving-door circle jerk.
And you see what they're trying to do to Bernie? Of course they would do this. Bernie's in her way.
Distract them with one thing. If it doesn't quite work, distract them with yet another. Keep churning out bullshit to distract them.
Yeah. Let's keep doing this. Let's all call each other racists and sexists. Why change anything? Let's keep bombing brown people overseas and let's have insurance companies continue rat-fucking middle class and working class and the poor. It will all be worth it, right? Because at least Hillary Clinton will get the democratic nomination.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...and bully an 85 year-old woman.
Sanders' revolution has devolved into an 'anti-Hillary,' 'anti-anyone expressing even the slightest dissent from your candidate' campaign. You've no one but your own fellow supporters to blame for that.
Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)the way to build a winning coalition of democrats and independents.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)Try this kind of race-baiting and playing gender card in GE. You're out on day one.
mcar
(42,334 posts)It's all Hillary's fault.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)That some people didn't know these shenanigans were coming is astonishing.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)Distract and divide so HRC can "win" the primaries. Then, we all lose in the general
Nyan
(1,192 posts)Let me puke a little bit.
GOP already 30 governorships and majorities in both house of Congress. This was what corporate, third way, repuke lite policies have wrought
More to come if HRC is crowned
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Sarandon has every right in the world to express her opinion -
But in an environment like that Huerta has the right to walk away from her. Smile pleasantly - say nice to meet you - and continue on your way.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)She actually did smile and say thank you, at least that is what the Latino Community is saying.
That was not harassment.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)When? Apparently I missed a meeting.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)G_j
(40,367 posts)in a loud room, is what I see.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)MUST. NOT. DISAGREE. WITH. HIVE. MIND.
Besides, looked to me like Huerta started the conversation. And SS was trying to inform her about HRC promoting and taking money from Monsanto (and fracking money), which Huerto seemed to be either unaware of, or uncaring about. Sorry, backing corporatism is not ok, not even for a woman (HRC), not even for a latina (Huerta).
And attempting to heap mud on Sarandon for it is absurd and unethical.
(Of course SS problably didn't know, as we now do, that $100,000 flowed from the Clinton Foundation to Huerta's, or she would've known she was wasting her time.)
In case nobody informed HRC and her supporters, we don't do "sacred cows" in America, that's not what we're here for.
I DID see Sarandon taking a selfie with a black woman. What an eff'd up thing to do!
I'm glad Sarandon cared enough to be there, and be informed. If Hillary people don't like her now, I like her double.
840high
(17,196 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)I admire Sarandon for speaking out. She's a true liberal. She and partner Tim Robbins were pilloried for speaking out against the Iraq War and even faced death threats.
I appreciate her more than ever for standing up to W and now HRC
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)with a hollywood star. such harassment! i bet she's NEVER experienced such heated discussion! lordy!
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)says this is clearly racist harassment. Oh, the humanity.
frylock
(34,825 posts)is an elderly white person.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)She can take and give her lumps with the best of them in a political discussion or she wouldn't be the person she is!
concreteblue
(626 posts)THe Clinonites have their panties in quite the wad, don't they?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)I wouldn't have approached her like that. I have no issues with anyone who supports Hillary, but passions are high here and there's no reason to treat this as some horrible assault. It was a political discussion in a caucus for shits sake. The only question I have for Hillary supporters is the same one I'm asked ad nauseam, will you vote for the Democratic nominee? That seems to be the only question Hillary supporters have for the challenger's supporters. As for me, I have a whole lot more, and, obviously, Susan Sarandon did too.
It is a very good question. How can anyone who thinks of themselves as a liberal Democrat not support the candidate who hasn't take corporate or Wall St donations at any point in his career?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)They've already made up their mind that Sanders Supporters are flaming racists who drive Volvos and drink overpriced coffee.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)All it shows, really, is that a crowded, very loud room is a lousy location to have any kind of back and forth about candidates' positions. You can see both Ms Sarandon and Ms Huerta lean in to try to hear what each other is saying. You would never get that kind of body language if one was actually trying to "harass" the other.
I have never met Susan Sarandon, but I have met Delores Huerta. Delores speaks in a rather soft voice (though her words can be very strong!) I am not surprised that in this noisy room it looks, to the casual observer, that they are 'in each others face'
Good luck with the notion that spreading this clip around will turn a voting block away from one candidate.
What this clip really shows, if you watch to the end, is
a) it's a bad location for a discussion of any sort, and
b) that the caucus method of voting really really sucks.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)K&R
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Liars should be called out.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)with their own lie is the same as being harassed....
Jeez
Damn it Janet stop the hate!!!!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)more so called "Democrats" voted for Bush than Nader but of course you knew that
w4rma
(31,700 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)Obama had the advantage of Howard Dean as DNC chair.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)stranger81
(2,345 posts)AND having "sag[gy] tits"?!?!?
Jesus H. Christ. Now I've seen everything.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Boy, all of you accusing Sarandon of being some kind of crazy person--have obviously never been to a caucus.
I had dozens of conversations with people at our Iowa caucus--just like this.
I had people yelling at me. One guy actually said, "Oh yeah! Well tell me how Bernie is going to pay for his damn plans!"
I answered his questions, and we had a back and forth that was passionate--it was ten times worse than what you're seeing on this video here.
Per usual, the Hillary gremlins attack people with their spin. Always tearing down with faux outrage and laughable half truths.
(BTW--that guy at the caucus who was yelling at me, went over to the Bernie side. He later interviewed on CNN, and he told the whole story about his 'change of heart'. Proud that I was able to bring him over).
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Oh well.
I guess two people can see different things from a video.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)and I agree that this was her tone.
It's not the hair-on-fire crisis that some of you peanut-gallery types are making it out to be.
Again, this was a CAUCUS. You do know what a caucus is, right? It's where people discuss politics.
This wasn't a high tea at Kensington. Get over your faux outrage.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Huerta has been beaten by police. I think she can handle some strong disagreement.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)which she was getting none of. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)I'm finished with you
Vattel
(9,289 posts)even if it is sincere.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)nyabingi
(1,145 posts)many of Hillary's supporters are completely ignorant to the facts of how bad her policies are.
Susan Sarandon was dropping knowledge here about some basic things Huerta should already know (Wall Street contributions, Monsanto, etc.), but Huerta is just as dim and ignorant as many other Hillary supporters. These people are willing to support her regardless of her right-wing policies, and that's a major problem with the Democratic Party.
Thanks for posting this because it shows just how bad-ass Susan Sarandon is and how utterly weak and feckless most of Hillary's supporters are. When questioned about why they support her, most are just as clueless as Dolores Huerta is.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)her only because she is a woman.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)This is why Bernie Sanders will never win the nomination.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...poor oppressed Sarandon with her $50m net worth.
She's privileged enough to worry more about campaign contributions and GMOs than the humanitarian concerns Huerta came there to represent.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)She's fought against the establishment longer than Huerta.
She doesn't need to defend her credentials to anyone.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)In 1955 Huerta officially began her career as an activist by helping Frank Ross to start the Stockton Chapter of the Community Service Organization, which fought for economic improvements for Latinos. She has accomplished a lot in her years. She held a high position in UFW. Cesar believed in her greatly and trusted her with important decisions. As she assumed responsibilities and stance that were traditionally held by white males, Huerta encountered criticism based on both gender and ethnic stereotypes
In 1955, Huerta co-founded the Stockton chapter of the Community Service Organization, (CSO) and in 1960 co-founded the Agricultural Workers Association which set up voter registration drives and pressed local governments for barrio improvements.
In the CSO, she met Cesar Chavez. The two quickly realized that they shared a very common goal of helping better the lives and wages of farm workers. Many great things came from this friendship such as the National Farm Workers Association. Dolores organizing skills were essential to the growth of this budding organization.
In 1962, she co-founded the National Farm Workers Association with César Chávez, which would later become the United Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee. In 1966, she negotiated a contract between the UFWOC and Schenley Wine Company, marking the first time that farm workers were able to effectively bargain with an agricultural enterprise.
Through her work with the CSO, Huerta met César Chávez, the Executive Director of the CSO. They both soon realized the need to organize farm workers. In 1962, after the CSO turned down Chávez's request, as their president, to organize farm workers, Chávez and Huerta resigned from the CSO. She then went to work for the National Farm Workers Association which would later merge with the Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee to become the United Farm Workers Organizing Committee.
In 1965, Huerta directed the UFW's national boycott during the Delano grape strike, taking the plight of the farm workers to the consumers. The boycott resulted in the entire California table grape industry signing a three-year collective bargaining agreement with the United Farm Workers in 1970.
In addition to organizing she has been highly politically active, lobbying in favor of (and against) numerous California and federal laws. The laws that she supported included the following:
1960 bill to permit people to take the California driver's examination in Spanish
1962 legislation repealing the Bracero Program
1963 legislation to extend Aid to Families with Dependent Children to California farmworkers
The 1975 California Agricultural Labor Relations Act
As an advocate for farmworkers' rights, Huerta has been arrested twenty-two times for participating in non-violent civil disobedience activities and strikes. She remains active in progressive causes, and serves on the boards of People for the American Way, Consumer Federation of California, and Feminist Majority Foundation.
In September 1988, in front of the St. Francis Hotel in Union Square, Huerta was severely beaten by San Francisco Police officers during a peaceful and lawful protest of the policies/platform of then-candidate for president George H.W. Bush. The baton-beating caused significant internal injuries to her torso, resulting in several broken ribs and necessitating the removal of her spleen in emergency surgery. The beating was caught on videotape and broadcast widely on local television news, including the clear ramming of the butt end of a baton into Huerta's torso by one of the helmeted officers. Later, Huerta won a large judgment against the SFPD and the City of San Francisco, the proceeds of which were used for the benefit of farm workers.[9] The assault is credited with starting yet another movement to change SFPD crowd control policies and the manner in which officer discipline is handled.
read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Huerta
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Sarandon is.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...and she believes Hillary.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...because you say this and that, she's not anti-establishment?
What delusion. Worse, it's sophistry.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)The Sanders campaign has hit a low point I never expected to see. It's cratering.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Ms Huerta showed so much restraint. I Sarandon or anyone got on my face, the cops would be called
Sad to see so many SBS supporters applauding this. But then again, this is the MO of many of them. Their reputation is well earned.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)...just because they think it might help their candidate cut down a lifelong liberal activist.
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aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)What is your definition of harassment?
Matariki
(18,775 posts)These tactics are disgusting. They think all they have to do is tell fucking lies. I hope Clinton loses and loses big.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Fucking thin-skinned.
Chichiri
(4,667 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Chichiri
(4,667 posts)Actually, my wife doesn't read DU, so I still have such a crush on her. Bernie fan or no.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Good on you, Susan.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...sickening hatred.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)A shame that people have such piss poor standards for heroes.
90% of the Hillary fans who are pretending they were offended had probably never heard of her before.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)Sanders supporters succeeded in denying Spanish-speaking participants a translator.
It was Huerta and the Spanish-speaking caucus-goers who were aggrieved in that incident, not Sanders.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)G_j
(40,367 posts)you expect to be taken seriously by intelligent people when you toss out the word "hatred" like that?
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...of anyone who treats elders that way.
Even less intelligence apparent in those who defend it.
G_j
(40,367 posts)I was addressing your use of the word hatred.
840high
(17,196 posts)age that lie.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...without any further notice of it from me.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Absurd hyperbole aside, not being real fond of liars is hardly a negative personality trait.
840high
(17,196 posts)is 100 - lying stinks.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Post the minute where you think that happens.
Delusional. Or shit slinging.
panader0
(25,816 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)supporter on DU called him "a crusty, old Jew".
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)You should be ashamed. There is nothing wrong in the video. In fact I really loved the part at the end when the people are chanting about getting rid of Super Pacs and Wall Street.
Thanks for that!
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yardwork
(61,650 posts)You missed 60 years of civil rights' struggle.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)To try and win political points for your candidate who is incapable of running on issues.
It's fucking disgusting and disrespectful as hell.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... of somebody's fucking lame alert -
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Matariki
(18,775 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)There's more racism and anti-Semitism for Sanders supporters to rec on DU today.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511291477
And it has nothing to do with 60 years of civil rights struggles except for exploiting the issue for political gain.
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sister_rosa_refried
(447 posts)She is speaking her like she is a child. We gals at the Kneel and Pray love the zestie Ms. S and in face Sister Clara Vision and Sister I. Juana Enchilada love to take out the convent T-Bird ala "Thelma and Louse" and scare the ca-ca out of truck drivers.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Did you watch the video? They are talking! Then she is doing what people do a caucuses, try to convince people about their candidate.
WTF is wrong with you all?
Post the time in that video where you think you see 'harassing'.
Good gods, you've all gone nuts or you're just making shit up hoping stuff sticks.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)you know what, go with that OK. whatever. You defending someone talking down to an 85 year old icon, will just lose more votes for Bernie.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)People are caucusing. It's what people do at caucuses.
You are seeing what you want to see. No, I'm being generous. It's pretty obvious the 'outrage' is just a bogus pile of disingenuous bovine scatology.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Have a nice evening
Matariki
(18,775 posts)No one watching that video can point out when any harassment happens and be honest about it.
Good night yourself.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)I'm finished with this conversation
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Mine was when all those people were chanting that "Super Pacs have got to go!".
I also did find it quite interesting how little Huerta knew about Hillary's involvement on issues. Odd. And troubling.
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MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Do you just post videos to think people don't WATCH them? Are you hearing impaired?
What she did was to have a conversation in that messy, noisy hall prior to caucus. They were engaged and friendly and the point she made about Hillary's having supported GMOs around the world, as well as fracking included asking Dolores if she saw a clip of Hillary doing this to convince her. Looks like Dolores said afterwards that she also protested against Monsanto. After this conversation, you can see that there were many persons of color chanting, "hey, hey, ho-ho, SuperPACs have got to go!".
So, I don't know that the hell YOU think is going on here, but what you said should be retracted for the entire way it mis-represents the video.
Are people supposed to be so lame in their pile-on, "Oh, yeah!" comments as a result of this lie you put out?
Well... DUH... I guess they are!!!
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)have a goodnight
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)she talked to her in a very nasty way it was rude and condescending
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)She did NOTHING OF THE KIND.
I want to be sensitive as to whether you are visually or hearing impaired.
ARE you visual or hearing impaired?
Let's all look at the time where you tell us to see and hear what has convinced you of this.