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Susan Sarandon Harassing Dolores Huerta (Original Post) rbrnmw Feb 2016 OP
djean111 voting for and supporting Bernie because djean111 hates war and fracking and the TPP and djean111 Feb 2016 #1
You said it! Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #19
Thank you!!! n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #51
Could not be said better. MuseRider Feb 2016 #135
+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #146
Word. 840high Feb 2016 #204
+10000 Vattel Feb 2016 #224
SInce When Is "INFORMING" Someone of The FACTS DEfined As "HARASSING?" CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #256
Welcome to the Hillary campaign of misinformation and misdirection and, well, djean111 Feb 2016 #261
Dolores Huerta is a liar... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #2
She is an 85 year old civil rights icon ffs rbrnmw Feb 2016 #3
It's pretty obvious what the Clinton con artists are doing, here. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #33
really what would that be? rbrnmw Feb 2016 #35
It's become a pattern, at this point. Con a respected individual into falling on their sword for w4rma Feb 2016 #59
what are talking about? rbrnmw Feb 2016 #63
Dolores Huerta is clearly falling on a sword for Clinton. Probably because of the $100K. w4rma Feb 2016 #65
... rbrnmw Feb 2016 #67
truly, it is. Lil Missy Feb 2016 #75
It really is mcar Feb 2016 #98
Despicable Dem2 Feb 2016 #130
Despicable. w4rma Feb 2016 #139
Mocking Dem2 Feb 2016 #147
When someone uses inane, superficial bullshit on me, that's how I respond. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #148
It was an apt description of what I read Dem2 Feb 2016 #150
Wedge politics: You're doing it wrong, Dem2. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #153
sure was rbrnmw Feb 2016 #155
Actually, that is a quote from the guy who brought down McCarthy - said directly towards McCarthy. kerry-is-my-prez Feb 2016 #274
You ever wonder why Hillary doesn't have any white, male surrogates? frylock Feb 2016 #177
.^that 840high Feb 2016 #207
Liars come in all ages. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #53
You know NOTHING about her history do you, dear? sister_rosa_refried Feb 2016 #248
No, this is the 3rd election in which she's been caught doing exactly this; 2nd in a decade for HRC. Chan790 Feb 2016 #64
Excellent post Carolina Feb 2016 #235
She is an 85 year old civil rights icon caught in a blatant and obvious lie. Gene Debs Feb 2016 #125
She is. And that in no way excuses blatant lies. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #131
Huerta didn't lie about anything. I saw the videos. yardwork Feb 2016 #201
can you find it and post it? rbrnmw Feb 2016 #211
My wife - who is Latina - found it with a quick Google search. yardwork Feb 2016 #223
I'm pissed too rbrnmw Feb 2016 #227
It's on Crooks and Liars obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #233
thanks rbrnmw Feb 2016 #234
Obamanut! Good to see you! yardwork Feb 2016 #238
No, I cannot obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #239
Hey there! Where you been? Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #290
Perhaps this will help explain what actually happened - via Snopes Chezboo Feb 2016 #246
Yeah, that's bullshit. I know what I saw and heard. yardwork Feb 2016 #249
Sarandon is putting her finger all up in Dolores Huerta's face. Simply disgusting. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #289
She, and we all, deserve to know the truth about Hillary. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #279
No she is not. leftofcool Feb 2016 #5
This tactic is ridiculously lame melman Feb 2016 #9
Hey, Bernie supporters' bad behavior is not my problem. leftofcool Feb 2016 #14
Why are you using the "lowly housekeeper" analogy on Dolores? n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #56
they always use the victim strategy....no Hillary surrogate can be criticized..... virtualobserver Feb 2016 #70
Because that is exactly how Sarandon treated her. leftofcool Feb 2016 #84
Nader is more a Democrat than Clinton - either of them - will ever be. pangaia Feb 2016 #117
"Lowly housekeeper", huh? tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #156
Revealing melman Feb 2016 #101
You are distorting what happened there Perseus Feb 2016 #78
Sarandon is a Naderite and has no business talking to Dolores at all! leftofcool Feb 2016 #87
so not only do you speak for "the Latino Community" TheSarcastinator Feb 2016 #109
Stop defaming an American Icon like Ralph Nader. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #111
There would have been no Iraq War if Nader redstateblues Feb 2016 #149
Only in the eyes of the Hillarians is Nader more responsible for IWR than HRH is. frylock Feb 2016 #180
This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Feb 2016 #254
You haven't been around this place very long. You'd know better than to call Nader an icon. kerry-is-my-prez Feb 2016 #276
NADERITE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pangaia Feb 2016 #120
I think I will believe my own eyes and ears rbrnmw Feb 2016 #90
HOLY SHIT, a racist stereotype *while* playing the victim and accusing others of racism. Marr Feb 2016 #167
The "lowly housekeeper" remark speaks volumes about you. frylock Feb 2016 #178
Hold on. How is a housekeeper "lowly"? /nt Ash_F Feb 2016 #187
Fuck your classism. "Lowly housekeeper?" WTF? Vattel Feb 2016 #226
"Lowly housekeeper"? Such snobbery and lack of empathy... SMC22307 Feb 2016 #272
Oh my... that is interesting. cui bono Feb 2016 #283
I don't think Bernie has any control over his following bigtree Feb 2016 #24
Jury results! B Calm Feb 2016 #10
That's a silly thing to alert on Bradical79 Feb 2016 #157
Until she removes her tweet and issues a retraction.. frylock Feb 2016 #181
Juror #5 840high Feb 2016 #209
This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Feb 2016 #22
Wilco...and Clinton supporters shouldn't spread lies... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #113
Stay honest you Clinton supporters 840high Feb 2016 #212
Good strategy, Susan. This will help Bernie with Latinos. leftofcool Feb 2016 #4
Yep, only worship at the foot of our demigods...don't you dare question them. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #11
smh rbrnmw Feb 2016 #13
just awful bigtree Feb 2016 #17
I think we're getting trolled. Broward Feb 2016 #108
blech! boston bean Feb 2016 #6
Nothing like Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #7
Nope, nothing like it. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #145
If you think that's harassing, you've never had a serious political TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #222
Bad bad optics bravenak Feb 2016 #8
Gross Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #12
Real turn off wasn't it. boston bean Feb 2016 #15
reminds me of some Sanders supporters at DU, some on this very thread bigtree Feb 2016 #16
it's beyond belief that Democrats are doing this rbrnmw Feb 2016 #20
I have to wonder bigtree Feb 2016 #29
maybe but I would think Susan Sarandon rbrnmw Feb 2016 #31
you saw her bigtree Feb 2016 #43
yep and this also proves rbrnmw Feb 2016 #48
have you ever seen pretty baby. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #52
no I haven't but you are right no class at all nt. rbrnmw Feb 2016 #54
No, she's always been this way. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #88
LOL, says the poster who was DEAD WRONG about this whole story from start. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #55
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #173
Hmmm...is this self-destruct week for Bernie supporters? Sancho Feb 2016 #18
maybe rbrnmw Feb 2016 #21
Sick sick sick workinclasszero Feb 2016 #25
Seems like we've already been through a few of those weeks. eom tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #72
That is the Sanders campaign in a nutshell. nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #23
this is a damn shame rbrnmw Feb 2016 #27
Yep.nt sufrommich Feb 2016 #30
Yep. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #34
I want to give you a big hug! I don't know if you will vote for Hillary, but boston bean Feb 2016 #38
In the general I certainly will. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #85
Your vote is your vote. I don't begrudge anyone that. boston bean Feb 2016 #99
Thank you for being a voice of reason mcar Feb 2016 #100
It really is. yardwork Feb 2016 #237
For crying out loud Iliyah Feb 2016 #26
And there it is. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #28
harassment is what they do. Need proof? William769 Feb 2016 #32
sounds like a typical political conversation to me. I have heard more heated discussions Hiraeth Feb 2016 #36
When Sarandon later effectively BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #141
What would you call someone who lies? frylock Feb 2016 #182
Calling a liar a liar LittleBlue Feb 2016 #196
This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Feb 2016 #205
I guess when you have a $50,000,000.00 net worth you can exercise a lot of privilege. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #37
She didn't get it from bri, er "speaking fees. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #114
At least they aren't using their privilege to hector octogenarian civil rights leaders. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #121
Now you know how hard Susan fought for Nader in 2000. oasis Feb 2016 #39
yep rbrnmw Feb 2016 #40
The posts on this thread which condone this kind of behavior oasis Feb 2016 #69
I don't know it's sad though rbrnmw Feb 2016 #73
oh yes bigtree Feb 2016 #58
Sarandon was a key organizer for Nader's 2000 election run vs. Gore. oasis Feb 2016 #81
+ a million! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #143
Sarandon had a lot of nerve lecturing Huerta about Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #41
The Hillary hate is so strong it branches out to anyone who supports Hillary. boston bean Feb 2016 #42
Privilege and entitlement. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #44
Are you suggesting Ms. Sarandon hasn't spent a lot of time in the fields? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #46
I'd be shocked if she even pulled her own weeds. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #49
Given the fact she has multiple residences it seems you would be correct. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #62
especially when she is so wrong about what she is saying OKNancy Feb 2016 #91
That was the best part of her fail. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #95
I do not understand how anyone can think that browbeating another person will result in a vote for seaglass Feb 2016 #119
Especially when one is lecturing a founder of the UFW Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #123
Sarandon may have cost Sanders many Latino votes. lovemydog Feb 2016 #45
Oh she has. This video is blowing up on social media. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #47
That will not be play well at all... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #50
I am more dubious than ever of Snopes "investigation" into this whole episode. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #57
me too rbrnmw Feb 2016 #61
Based on what evidence? Karmadillo Feb 2016 #66
The woman who wrote it up was teasing people on Twitter last night. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #92
Her bio on Snopes looks like some kind of joke. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #94
Embarrassing for snopes. yardwork Feb 2016 #236
Do tell. frylock Feb 2016 #183
Of course you are. cui bono Feb 2016 #232
These threads are so patronizing melman Feb 2016 #60
Looks like they were having a discussion but how can either nc4bo Feb 2016 #68
It's there if you manufacture it in your head. Karmadillo Feb 2016 #71
They don't even believe it melman Feb 2016 #80
^ BINGO ^ Matariki Feb 2016 #267
Clinton never should have run. Nyan Feb 2016 #74
no one forced these people to act like buffoons bigtree Feb 2016 #82
And that, for better or worse, is all she'll get. Taking the low road is hardly Karmadillo Feb 2016 #83
Yep. That's why I only said "democratic nomination." Nyan Feb 2016 #89
Sanders supporter behaves badly mcar Feb 2016 #102
Clinton "ethics" at their finest. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #132
Touche, Nyan Carolina Feb 2016 #240
And then the GOP takes over the entire country. Nyan Feb 2016 #243
Exactly Carolina Feb 2016 #245
So ridiculous........ kerry-is-my-prez Feb 2016 #280
Thanks for posting Gothmog Feb 2016 #76
you are welcome rbrnmw Feb 2016 #77
A talented actress who would obviously have no problem playing a condescending ass BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #79
Susan, Susan, Susan ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #86
Huerta should have walked away JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #93
Dolores was gracious and listed while she was being talked down to. leftofcool Feb 2016 #105
LOL Green Texan Feb 2016 #96
The Latino Community disagrees leftofcool Feb 2016 #103
Holy Crap! YOU were appointed spokesmouth for the "Latino Community"??? TheSarcastinator Feb 2016 #107
Link? frylock Feb 2016 #184
You call that harrassing? No wonder we can't have rerasonable debates here. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #97
Harassing is now defined as "not supporting Hillary". n/t djean111 Feb 2016 #104
a mildly heated political discussion G_j Feb 2016 #106
Disagreeing is harassing now... bullshit! Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #110
..+1 840high Feb 2016 #215
Me too Carolina Feb 2016 #242
she initiated the contact -- but, what delicate flower she is that she can't hold her own nashville_brook Feb 2016 #112
but DU's self-appointed spokesperson for the entire "Latino Community" TheSarcastinator Feb 2016 #115
DU's self-appointed spokesperson for the entire "Latino Community" frylock Feb 2016 #185
No delicate flower - she's there to influence an election TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #225
FFS...SMH concreteblue Feb 2016 #116
That's fucking atrocious....nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #118
I'm quite sure Dolores Huerta has faced much worse in her lifetime.. mountain grammy Feb 2016 #122
What's "shameful" is the way the Clintons get people to ruin themselves for them. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #124
Its best if you let them pontificate among themselves d_legendary1 Feb 2016 #127
We're also lazy and hate gurlz. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #165
I wasted six and a half minutes watching this clip. There is no "harassing" of anybody... FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #126
Thread winner, IMO. ^^ NT pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #190
Exactly! Petrushka Feb 2016 #228
Exactly Carolina Feb 2016 #244
+1 Matariki Feb 2016 #264
Good for Susan. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #128
pffft snort Feb 2016 #129
Because being confronted... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #133
. UglyGreed Feb 2016 #134
You left out the photo of her supporting Nader. leftofcool Feb 2016 #138
So what UglyGreed Feb 2016 #140
So you admit that Sanders is bringing in new independents. This is a good start. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #142
Well, obviously not in NV leftofcool Feb 2016 #151
Obviously IN Nevada, too. I blame the lower turnout on Clinton and DWS. w4rma Feb 2016 #152
Stay Classy UglyGreed Feb 2016 #158
Hillary Bros frylock Feb 2016 #186
You're seriously criticizing Sarandon, in the same breath, for being anti-feminist stranger81 Feb 2016 #189
All I saw was two people discussing politics CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #136
I actually saw one person lecturing another Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #159
She may have been lecturing her CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #161
Thanks for some common sense here. Vattel Feb 2016 #229
it's not about her being able to handle it, it's about respect rbrnmw Feb 2016 #259
Faux outrage always makes me chuckle. But seriously, Vattel Feb 2016 #268
it's not fake outrage rbrnmw Feb 2016 #269
Expressing outrage at Susan Sarandon being a little obnoxious is kind of silly Vattel Feb 2016 #285
Great job!! Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #163
The only thing this video shows is that nyabingi Feb 2016 #137
Cognitive dissonance means never having to say you're ignorant (or sorry). Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #164
Which leads me to think they support 840high Feb 2016 #216
You don't have a clue, do you? yardwork Feb 2016 #250
Wedge politics: you're doing it wrong. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #144
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #154
Bravo for her. Questioning the powerful is the responsibility of the people. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #160
lol bigtree Feb 2016 #162
Sarandon is a progressive activist and has been since the '60s. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #166
Sarandon has NOT fought the 'establishment' longer than Huerta bigtree Feb 2016 #169
So, Huerta should be supporting the anti-establishment candidate instead of the establishment. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #170
maybe she doesn't believe Bernie bigtree Feb 2016 #171
So, she's not all that anti-establishment after all. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #172
this shows just how ignorant the attacks on Huerta are bigtree Feb 2016 #194
It's almost unbelievable to me that we have to explain this to the supposed progressives. yardwork Feb 2016 #251
What an absurd comment. yardwork Feb 2016 #200
How brave of Sarandon, bullying an 85 year old woman. lunamagica Feb 2016 #168
and they don't see how that is wrong rbrnmw Feb 2016 #174
How gross of Hillary fans-- intentionally advancing the ugliest lies... Marr Feb 2016 #179
This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Feb 2016 #206
I see two people at a caucus engaged in a discussion. aikoaiko Feb 2016 #175
No kidding Matariki Feb 2016 #255
Harrassing. frylock Feb 2016 #176
Is that Gaby Hoffman holding the kid at the end? nt Chichiri Feb 2016 #188
I think so rbrnmw Feb 2016 #191
I thought so! I had such a crush on her as a kid. Chichiri Feb 2016 #192
hahaha rbrnmw Feb 2016 #195
She took this liar down a peg LittleBlue Feb 2016 #193
how brave of her berating this 85 year-old bigtree Feb 2016 #197
The 85-year-old shouldn't have tarnished her career by lying LittleBlue Feb 2016 #198
Sanders supporters got their way at that caucus after harrassing Huerta bigtree Feb 2016 #208
thank you bigtree rbrnmw Feb 2016 #214
+1 Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #281
seriously ? G_j Feb 2016 #199
I question the intelligence bigtree Feb 2016 #210
in case you missed it G_j Feb 2016 #213
I question people of any 840high Feb 2016 #219
well, you can do all the 'questioning' you want bigtree Feb 2016 #221
"sickening hated" Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #203
I don't care if she 840high Feb 2016 #217
Where the FUCK is she berating her? Matariki Feb 2016 #253
Meanwhile, also at a Nevada Caucus: "he is a socialist Jew"-- Hill caucus leader panader0 Feb 2016 #202
Well - one Hillary 840high Feb 2016 #220
Trashing the chum in the water nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #218
Huerta is woefully uninformed. Thanks to Susan for trying to educate her. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #230
OMG... what a lame attempt to keep up this disingenuous tactic. cui bono Feb 2016 #231
If you don't see what's wrong here, then you have no idea what's going on. yardwork Feb 2016 #241
Quit using race and civil rights as your goddam billyclub Matariki Feb 2016 #262
Results... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #271
thx Matariki Feb 2016 #273
I didn't alert. Why don't you go rec your friend Willy's thread. yardwork Feb 2016 #284
Oh, I know exactly what's going on. cui bono Feb 2016 #270
Repulsive sister_rosa_refried Feb 2016 #247
FAUX OUTRAGE! Matariki Feb 2016 #252
yes and SS was lecturing her. rbrnmw Feb 2016 #257
At what minute in the video? Matariki Feb 2016 #258
Bless your heart rbrnmw Feb 2016 #260
As I expected. Did you even watch the video? Matariki Feb 2016 #263
yes I watched it rbrnmw Feb 2016 #265
What was your favorite part? cui bono Feb 2016 #282
This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Feb 2016 #266
That is a disingenuous OP. She NEVER DID this AT ALL... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #275
Bless your heart rbrnmw Feb 2016 #277
My heart is doing very well, thank you. MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #287
she did do it rbrnmw Feb 2016 #278
Point to the time in the clip to show us this... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #286
Another privileged white feminist talking down to a POC. How typical. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #288
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. djean111 voting for and supporting Bernie because djean111 hates war and fracking and the TPP and
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:08 AM
Feb 2016

other things that Hillary is for.

I don't give a rat's ass about all the other stuff.

Nothing can override my hatred of war and fracking and the TPP and the Third Way.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
256. SInce When Is "INFORMING" Someone of The FACTS DEfined As "HARASSING?"
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:37 PM
Feb 2016

This post is named in a PURPOSEFULLY denigrating manner toward Susan Sarandon. I watched the ENTIRE video and at NO time did Susan HARASS ANYONE!

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
261. Welcome to the Hillary campaign of misinformation and misdirection and, well,
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

outright lies. And they think it is okay because they need to win at all costs.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
35. really what would that be?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:02 AM
Feb 2016

posting a video of an actress badgering an icon? We didn't make SS harass her, she did that of her own volition

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
59. It's become a pattern, at this point. Con a respected individual into falling on their sword for
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:24 AM
Feb 2016

Clinton. And then whining and playing the victim when the other half of the Democratic Party gets pissed off about it and tries to correct the record and get that previously respected individual to retract their smear.

It's the same pattern, over and over. Hillary is unelectable *and* she's tarnishing the Democratic brand. Dump her.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
65. Dolores Huerta is clearly falling on a sword for Clinton. Probably because of the $100K.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:28 AM
Feb 2016

Even good people do stupid shit for big wads of money, even if that money is only going to a charity that they run.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
274. Actually, that is a quote from the guy who brought down McCarthy - said directly towards McCarthy.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:45 PM
Feb 2016

Inane and superficial is hardly the word I would use for that quote. One of the greatest quotes ever. Unless you meant that the the poster used it inanely or something.....

frylock

(34,825 posts)
177. You ever wonder why Hillary doesn't have any white, male surrogates?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:42 PM
Feb 2016

Because if we called them out on their lies, Hillarians couldn't whinge about alleged racism or sexism.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
64. No, this is the 3rd election in which she's been caught doing exactly this; 2nd in a decade for HRC.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:28 AM
Feb 2016

She's burned all that good-will and credit.

If she doesn't want to be attacked for being a provable liar who throws around claims of racism casually in order advance the chances of her chosen candidate...she should stop doing so and being so.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
235. Excellent post
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:27 PM
Feb 2016

and all, sadly true

I thought Susan Sarandon handled things beautifully... I tend to get rather shrill when I attempt to talk to people who are so willfully ignorant or who cover their asses with lying.

Like so many other HRC surrogates, Delores has demeaned and disgraced herself.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
131. She is. And that in no way excuses blatant lies.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:50 AM
Feb 2016

Her past created tons of cred. Her lies diminish that.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
201. Huerta didn't lie about anything. I saw the videos.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

The moderator yelled "English only" and the crowd cheered. Appalling.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
223. My wife - who is Latina - found it with a quick Google search.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:51 PM
Feb 2016

I'll try but I'm on my phone.

My wife is furious. She's fairly apolitical and isn't paying much attention to the primaries, but she's now focused like a laser beam on Bernie Sanders and it ain't good.

You don't want to see Latin women get mad, and smearing Dolores Huerta is the surest way I know to get a middle-aged Latina really angry.

Chezboo

(230 posts)
246. Perhaps this will help explain what actually happened - via Snopes
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:10 PM
Feb 2016

CLAIM: Supporters of Bernie Sanders shouted "English only" at civil rights activist Dolores Huerta during one Nevada caucus event, ostensibly objecting to a translation of remarks into Spanish.

FALSE

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
289. Sarandon is putting her finger all up in Dolores Huerta's face. Simply disgusting.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:50 AM
Feb 2016

The Sanders fanatics don't see the racism there, though. All they see is their God.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
279. She, and we all, deserve to know the truth about Hillary.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:20 AM
Feb 2016

Susan Sarandon was not trolling or trashing Dolores Huerta. She was just informing her of a fact that will interest Dolores Huerta.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
5. No she is not.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:14 AM
Feb 2016

But you keep right on pushing this and Bernie will once again have to come out an denounce your behavior.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
14. Hey, Bernie supporters' bad behavior is not my problem.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:39 AM
Feb 2016

If Susan wants to talk down to Dolores like she is a lowly housekeeper, go for it.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
70. they always use the victim strategy....no Hillary surrogate can be criticized.....
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:33 AM
Feb 2016

or held responsible for what they do or say.....and they certainly can't stand up for themselves.

The vast them vs. us conspiracy.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
84. Because that is exactly how Sarandon treated her.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:41 AM
Feb 2016

Putting a finger in her face and talking down to her like she was lower than low, like she doesn't belong, like she is no better than dirt, like she isn't supposed to have an opinion. Sarandon is a Naderite and has no business in the Democratic Party, period and has no business even walking on the same ground as Dolores.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
78. You are distorting what happened there
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:38 AM
Feb 2016

Susan did not "harass" her, she was pointing out facts, if that is harassment then you have a problem with the truth. And treating her as a "lowly housekeeper"??? Obviously, that is how you see Dolores, because at no time did I see Susan treating her in that way.

This woman Dolores went out saying this about Sanders which are not true, what is wrong with pointing it out to her that what she said is false? Should she be allowed to continue telling lies because she is an icon? Bull!

You just pointed out, unintentionally, the real problem with politics in this country, everyone is a fanatic, they don't want to hear facts, I would venture to say that 90% of voters have no idea about the plans of the politicians they vote for, they always vote against their own interests.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
109. so not only do you speak for "the Latino Community"
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:13 AM
Feb 2016

but you get to decide who has business talking to other people? Awesome! I'm so glad you were declared "in charge"!!!

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
111. Stop defaming an American Icon like Ralph Nader.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:18 AM
Feb 2016

He has more integrity in his little to than Hillary or Dolores combined!

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
149. There would have been no Iraq War if Nader
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:13 AM
Feb 2016

Hadn't gone on his narcississtic run. Not A dime's worth of difference? BS

frylock

(34,825 posts)
180. Only in the eyes of the Hillarians is Nader more responsible for IWR than HRH is.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:59 PM
Feb 2016

Fucking laughable.

Response to Fuddnik (Reply #111)

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
276. You haven't been around this place very long. You'd know better than to call Nader an icon.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:11 AM
Feb 2016

Unless this place has turned into a Green Party site. (I actually wouldn't be too surprised about that). Ralph Nader used to be an icon until he screwed over this country with his narcissistic actions. As far as George W Bush goes, the Iraq war is not the only deplorable thing he did.... Far from it. The environment, torturing/water boarding prisoners, outing of Valerie Plame, suspending habeus corpus. I could go on and on.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
167. HOLY SHIT, a racist stereotype *while* playing the victim and accusing others of racism.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:29 PM
Feb 2016

You know, there's a point where the Clinton campaign's distinctive bellycrawl almost becomes impressive.

That's pretty much your 'reverse 2½ somersaults with a twist', right?

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
272. "Lowly housekeeper"? Such snobbery and lack of empathy...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:35 PM
Feb 2016

for those poor folks scrubbing toilets for the likes of multi-millionaire candidates like Clinton.

Bernie is fighting for those "lowly housekeepers" to have higher wages, affordable healthcare, and a better life.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
283. Oh my... that is interesting.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:33 AM
Feb 2016

And ironic. And just plain... well you know. Oh, maybe you don't.

I wonder when you will realize what you actually just did there. Wow.

.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
24. I don't think Bernie has any control over his following
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:50 AM
Feb 2016

...no matter how many times he's admonished and disavowed the bullying, they just seem to double down. Not much of an endorsement for a people's revolution. Not much of an endorsement for their leader.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
10. Jury results!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:23 AM
Feb 2016

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:10 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Dolores Huerta is a liar...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1305632

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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What a horrible thing to say about an 86 year old civil rights icon! Deserves to be trolled? What's wrongcwithvthis poster? This is evil!

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:20 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: Dolores Huerta as been shown recently to have embroidered events recently that were proven not to have happened. She lied.
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Explanation: Accusation without any evidence.
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Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
157. That's a silly thing to alert on
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:57 AM
Feb 2016

Though admitedly it might be a bit of a stretch, I still give her the benefit of the doubt that her legitimate perception didn't match reality (it happens to people all the time), but it's completely understandable that some would consider it deliberate dishonesty. It didn't help that multiple Clinton super fans were gleefully posting something that has been proven to have not happened. Had me fooled before more came out, I was pretty pissed off.

Response to hoosierlib (Reply #2)

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
4. Good strategy, Susan. This will help Bernie with Latinos.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:13 AM
Feb 2016

No one should ever get in the face of an icon like Dolores.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
108. I think we're getting trolled.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:11 AM
Feb 2016

The alternative is almost worse that anyone would condone lying because of the past deeds of that person. Who thinks like this?

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
7. Nothing like
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:14 AM
Feb 2016

a younger (69) privileged white woman harrassing an elderly (85) Hispanic woman and human rights icon to convince People of Color about the revolution, eh?

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
222. If you think that's harassing, you've never had a serious political
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:50 PM
Feb 2016

discussion with someone with whom you disagree!

And make that 85 YOUNG. If she's young enough to be there to influence the outcome of the election, she's young enough to get into a head-on discussion about the candidates.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
15. Real turn off wasn't it.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:42 AM
Feb 2016

I don't take kindly to people confronting 85 year old persons in such an aggressive way.

Really, Susan, did you really need to do that?

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
16. reminds me of some Sanders supporters at DU, some on this very thread
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:44 AM
Feb 2016

...what a disgrace.

Sarandon talks to this civil rights icon like she's telling off her housekeeper.


Allan Brauer ?@allanbrauer 6h6 hours ago
Dolores Huerta: ‘I don’t feel that Sanders’ people respect our community’ http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/dolores-huerta-i-dont-feel-sanders-people-respect-our-community/#.Vsqz3z65Ibl.twitter


Giovanni Hashimoto ?@VanniHashimoto 11h11 hours ago
• First, they call @NARAL, @HRC & @PPact "establishment"
• Then they demonize John Lewis & call Dolores Huerta a liar



Only4RM ?@Only4RM 7h7 hours ago
Ppl practically wanting to carve #Bernie next to #MLK on the granite in DC for 1yr of protests dismiss #Lewis & #Huerta's LIFELONG ACTIVISM.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
29. I have to wonder
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:54 AM
Feb 2016

...are they really Democrats?

Their candidate is an opportunistic one, keeping the party at arm's length throughout his career, at least in his self-identification, but voting with the party over 98% of the time.

I suspect the Democratic party for many of these flame-throwers and bullies is just a convenient shell for them as they attempt to force a wedge between Democrats.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
43. you saw her
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:12 AM
Feb 2016

...such destructive behavior. I don't believe anyone behaving like that is operating in the best interests of our party.

All I can think of when I see that is 'privilege.' She had the luxury to go on and on about Monsanto and campaign contributions, oblivious to the concerns that Ms. Huerta brought to the caucus. She couldn't have cared less.

The most effective strategy, if Sarandon or others really want supporters for Bernie, would be to listen to what the person is saying with some modicum of respect for their opinion. After all, we all bring our issues and interests to this coalition with the hope and opportunity for those to be heard, and, if fortunate, to have them acted on in the legislature.

Badgering folks, like Sarandon was doing to this beloved octogenarian, is the absolute worst way to treat a potential ally.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
18. Hmmm...is this self-destruct week for Bernie supporters?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:46 AM
Feb 2016

They have put Sarandon out there to go after latinos and are attacking Clyburn in SC.

Maybe the plan is to throw the primary to Hillary!

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
25. Sick sick sick
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:50 AM
Feb 2016

It lets everyone know where Bernie stands if he remains silent about these outrageous acts performed by his surrogates.

We will see how that works out for him in SC and super tuesday.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
38. I want to give you a big hug! I don't know if you will vote for Hillary, but
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:03 AM
Feb 2016

it's nice to see you back again forcefully taking on these issues!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
85. In the general I certainly will.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:42 AM
Feb 2016

I think I will still do a protest vote for Sanders in NY--the nomination will be decided by then and I still hope Sanders can provide some leftward pressure, even if I don't think he should be the nominee.

William769

(55,147 posts)
32. harassment is what they do. Need proof?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:58 AM
Feb 2016

Just looks at who supports that ugly vile person. Susan and her supporters are just shameful.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
36. sounds like a typical political conversation to me. I have heard more heated discussions
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:02 AM
Feb 2016

across dinner tables and card games.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
141. When Sarandon later effectively
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:06 AM
Feb 2016

calls Huerta a liar, we see that there is a context, if not an agenda. It also does not put Sarandon in a good light at all.

Response to LittleBlue (Reply #196)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
37. I guess when you have a $50,000,000.00 net worth you can exercise a lot of privilege.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:03 AM
Feb 2016

I guess when you have a $50,000,000.00 net worth and are part of the majority you can exercise a lot of privilege.


oasis

(49,389 posts)
69. The posts on this thread which condone this kind of behavior
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:33 AM
Feb 2016

speaks to urgency of getting this nomination wrapped up and avoid any further embarrassment to DU. When is it ever okay for a Democrat to verbally disrespect the elderly?

oasis

(49,389 posts)
81. Sarandon was a key organizer for Nader's 2000 election run vs. Gore.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:39 AM
Feb 2016

Thanks Susan, for Bush and all the misery he brought to the American people.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
41. Sarandon had a lot of nerve lecturing Huerta about
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:08 AM
Feb 2016

anything, but especially about immigration and agriculture, wtf.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
42. The Hillary hate is so strong it branches out to anyone who supports Hillary.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:11 AM
Feb 2016

No one can shield themselves from it.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
62. Given the fact she has multiple residences it seems you would be correct.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:26 AM
Feb 2016

I will remember her as Sister Helen Prejean and not the ideologically driven advocate who hectors octogenarian civil rights leaders.


Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
95. That was the best part of her fail.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:54 AM
Feb 2016

Dolores Huerta must have thought she'd been accosted by a lunatic.

seaglass

(8,173 posts)
119. I do not understand how anyone can think that browbeating another person will result in a vote for
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:28 AM
Feb 2016

the browbeater's candidate. It's completely ineffective and makes the person doing it look like an asshole.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
123. Especially when one is lecturing a founder of the UFW
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:31 AM
Feb 2016

I'm sure Dolores Huerta doesn't need lessons from someone who was in saddle shoes when Dolores was running political rings around actual farming oligarchs.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
45. Sarandon may have cost Sanders many Latino votes.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:13 AM
Feb 2016

You've got to come with respect toward an elder. Not harangue and talk down to them.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
50. That will not be play well at all...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:16 AM
Feb 2016

This isn't the internet where supporters of a certain candidate can patronize others with impunity...


cui bono

(19,926 posts)
232. Of course you are.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:16 PM
Feb 2016

Don't let the fact that there is video proving the incident never happened keep you from being convinced that it did.

Pathetic.

.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
68. Looks like they were having a discussion but how can either
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:31 AM
Feb 2016

Hear over all that racket?

Susan was not disrespectful.

I'm not seeing the outrage.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
74. Clinton never should have run.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:35 AM
Feb 2016

You see what's happening here? You see the Clintons dragging everyone into the mud?
They would do anything. They're creating all these false conflicts to divert attention away from real issues.

They had to get Warren and Biden out of the way. They had to subject us to yet another Hillary Clinton run all because she wanted to be president, and 3rd way dems and their scumbag lobbyists wanted to keep subverting our government for their double pensions and their endless revolving-door circle jerk.
And you see what they're trying to do to Bernie? Of course they would do this. Bernie's in her way.

Distract them with one thing. If it doesn't quite work, distract them with yet another. Keep churning out bullshit to distract them.
Yeah. Let's keep doing this. Let's all call each other racists and sexists. Why change anything? Let's keep bombing brown people overseas and let's have insurance companies continue rat-fucking middle class and working class and the poor. It will all be worth it, right? Because at least Hillary Clinton will get the democratic nomination.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
82. no one forced these people to act like buffoons
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:40 AM
Feb 2016

...and bully an 85 year-old woman.

Sanders' revolution has devolved into an 'anti-Hillary,' 'anti-anyone expressing even the slightest dissent from your candidate' campaign. You've no one but your own fellow supporters to blame for that.

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
83. And that, for better or worse, is all she'll get. Taking the low road is hardly
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:41 AM
Feb 2016

the way to build a winning coalition of democrats and independents.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
89. Yep. That's why I only said "democratic nomination."
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:44 AM
Feb 2016

Try this kind of race-baiting and playing gender card in GE. You're out on day one.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
132. Clinton "ethics" at their finest.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:54 AM
Feb 2016

That some people didn't know these shenanigans were coming is astonishing.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
240. Touche, Nyan
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:35 PM
Feb 2016

Distract and divide so HRC can "win" the primaries. Then, we all lose in the general

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
245. Exactly
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:51 PM
Feb 2016

GOP already 30 governorships and majorities in both house of Congress. This was what corporate, third way, repuke lite policies have wrought

More to come if HRC is crowned

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
93. Huerta should have walked away
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:52 AM
Feb 2016

Sarandon has every right in the world to express her opinion -

But in an environment like that Huerta has the right to walk away from her. Smile pleasantly - say nice to meet you - and continue on your way.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
105. Dolores was gracious and listed while she was being talked down to.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:07 AM
Feb 2016

She actually did smile and say thank you, at least that is what the Latino Community is saying.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
107. Holy Crap! YOU were appointed spokesmouth for the "Latino Community"???
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:09 AM
Feb 2016

When? Apparently I missed a meeting.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
110. Disagreeing is harassing now... bullshit!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:17 AM
Feb 2016

MUST. NOT. DISAGREE. WITH. HIVE. MIND.

Besides, looked to me like Huerta started the conversation. And SS was trying to inform her about HRC promoting and taking money from Monsanto (and fracking money), which Huerto seemed to be either unaware of, or uncaring about. Sorry, backing corporatism is not ok, not even for a woman (HRC), not even for a latina (Huerta).

And attempting to heap mud on Sarandon for it is absurd and unethical.

(Of course SS problably didn't know, as we now do, that $100,000 flowed from the Clinton Foundation to Huerta's, or she would've known she was wasting her time.)

In case nobody informed HRC and her supporters, we don't do "sacred cows" in America, that's not what we're here for.

I DID see Sarandon taking a selfie with a black woman. What an eff'd up thing to do!

I'm glad Sarandon cared enough to be there, and be informed. If Hillary people don't like her now, I like her double.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
242. Me too
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:44 PM
Feb 2016

I admire Sarandon for speaking out. She's a true liberal. She and partner Tim Robbins were pilloried for speaking out against the Iraq War and even faced death threats.

I appreciate her more than ever for standing up to W and now HRC

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
112. she initiated the contact -- but, what delicate flower she is that she can't hold her own
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:19 AM
Feb 2016

with a hollywood star. such harassment! i bet she's NEVER experienced such heated discussion! lordy!

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
115. but DU's self-appointed spokesperson for the entire "Latino Community"
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:23 AM
Feb 2016

says this is clearly racist harassment. Oh, the humanity.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
225. No delicate flower - she's there to influence an election
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:54 PM
Feb 2016

She can take and give her lumps with the best of them in a political discussion or she wouldn't be the person she is!

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
122. I'm quite sure Dolores Huerta has faced much worse in her lifetime..
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:31 AM
Feb 2016

I wouldn't have approached her like that. I have no issues with anyone who supports Hillary, but passions are high here and there's no reason to treat this as some horrible assault. It was a political discussion in a caucus for shits sake. The only question I have for Hillary supporters is the same one I'm asked ad nauseam, will you vote for the Democratic nominee? That seems to be the only question Hillary supporters have for the challenger's supporters. As for me, I have a whole lot more, and, obviously, Susan Sarandon did too.
It is a very good question. How can anyone who thinks of themselves as a liberal Democrat not support the candidate who hasn't take corporate or Wall St donations at any point in his career?

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
127. Its best if you let them pontificate among themselves
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016

They've already made up their mind that Sanders Supporters are flaming racists who drive Volvos and drink overpriced coffee.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
126. I wasted six and a half minutes watching this clip. There is no "harassing" of anybody...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016

All it shows, really, is that a crowded, very loud room is a lousy location to have any kind of back and forth about candidates' positions. You can see both Ms Sarandon and Ms Huerta lean in to try to hear what each other is saying. You would never get that kind of body language if one was actually trying to "harass" the other.

I have never met Susan Sarandon, but I have met Delores Huerta. Delores speaks in a rather soft voice (though her words can be very strong!) I am not surprised that in this noisy room it looks, to the casual observer, that they are 'in each others face'

Good luck with the notion that spreading this clip around will turn a voting block away from one candidate.

What this clip really shows, if you watch to the end, is

a) it's a bad location for a discussion of any sort, and

b) that the caucus method of voting really really sucks.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
152. Obviously IN Nevada, too. I blame the lower turnout on Clinton and DWS.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:16 AM
Feb 2016

Obama had the advantage of Howard Dean as DNC chair.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
189. You're seriously criticizing Sarandon, in the same breath, for being anti-feminist
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016

AND having "sag[gy] tits"?!?!?

Jesus H. Christ. Now I've seen everything.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
136. All I saw was two people discussing politics
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:58 AM
Feb 2016

Boy, all of you accusing Sarandon of being some kind of crazy person--have obviously never been to a caucus.

I had dozens of conversations with people at our Iowa caucus--just like this.

I had people yelling at me. One guy actually said, "Oh yeah! Well tell me how Bernie is going to pay for his damn plans!"

I answered his questions, and we had a back and forth that was passionate--it was ten times worse than what you're seeing on this video here.

Per usual, the Hillary gremlins attack people with their spin. Always tearing down with faux outrage and laughable half truths.

(BTW--that guy at the caucus who was yelling at me, went over to the Bernie side. He later interviewed on CNN, and he told the whole story about his 'change of heart'. Proud that I was able to bring him over).

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
159. I actually saw one person lecturing another
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:03 PM
Feb 2016

Oh well.

I guess two people can see different things from a video.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
161. She may have been lecturing her
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:12 PM
Feb 2016

and I agree that this was her tone.

It's not the hair-on-fire crisis that some of you peanut-gallery types are making it out to be.

Again, this was a CAUCUS. You do know what a caucus is, right? It's where people discuss politics.

This wasn't a high tea at Kensington. Get over your faux outrage.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
229. Thanks for some common sense here.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:26 PM
Feb 2016

Huerta has been beaten by police. I think she can handle some strong disagreement.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
259. it's not about her being able to handle it, it's about respect
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

which she was getting none of. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
285. Expressing outrage at Susan Sarandon being a little obnoxious is kind of silly
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:49 AM
Feb 2016

even if it is sincere.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
137. The only thing this video shows is that
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:59 AM
Feb 2016

many of Hillary's supporters are completely ignorant to the facts of how bad her policies are.

Susan Sarandon was dropping knowledge here about some basic things Huerta should already know (Wall Street contributions, Monsanto, etc.), but Huerta is just as dim and ignorant as many other Hillary supporters. These people are willing to support her regardless of her right-wing policies, and that's a major problem with the Democratic Party.

Thanks for posting this because it shows just how bad-ass Susan Sarandon is and how utterly weak and feckless most of Hillary's supporters are. When questioned about why they support her, most are just as clueless as Dolores Huerta is.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
162. lol
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:18 PM
Feb 2016

...poor oppressed Sarandon with her $50m net worth.

She's privileged enough to worry more about campaign contributions and GMOs than the humanitarian concerns Huerta came there to represent.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
166. Sarandon is a progressive activist and has been since the '60s.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:28 PM
Feb 2016

She's fought against the establishment longer than Huerta.

She doesn't need to defend her credentials to anyone.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
169. Sarandon has NOT fought the 'establishment' longer than Huerta
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:34 PM
Feb 2016

In 1955 Huerta officially began her career as an activist by helping Frank Ross to start the Stockton Chapter of the Community Service Organization, which fought for economic improvements for Latinos. She has accomplished a lot in her years. She held a high position in UFW. Cesar believed in her greatly and trusted her with important decisions. “As she assumed responsibilities and stance that were traditionally held by white males, Huerta encountered criticism based on both gender and ethnic stereotypes”

In 1955, Huerta co-founded the Stockton chapter of the Community Service Organization, (CSO) and in 1960 co-founded the Agricultural Workers Association which set up voter registration drives and pressed local governments for barrio improvements.

In the CSO, she met Cesar Chavez. The two quickly realized that they shared a very common goal of helping better the lives and wages of farm workers. Many great things came from this friendship such as the National Farm Workers Association. “Dolores’ organizing skills were essential to the growth of this budding organization.”

In 1962, she co-founded the National Farm Workers Association with César Chávez, which would later become the United Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee. In 1966, she negotiated a contract between the UFWOC and Schenley Wine Company, marking the first time that farm workers were able to effectively bargain with an agricultural enterprise.

Through her work with the CSO, Huerta met César Chávez, the Executive Director of the CSO. They both soon realized the need to organize farm workers. In 1962, after the CSO turned down Chávez's request, as their president, to organize farm workers, Chávez and Huerta resigned from the CSO. She then went to work for the National Farm Workers Association which would later merge with the Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee to become the United Farm Workers Organizing Committee.

In 1965, Huerta directed the UFW's national boycott during the Delano grape strike, taking the plight of the farm workers to the consumers. The boycott resulted in the entire California table grape industry signing a three-year collective bargaining agreement with the United Farm Workers in 1970.

In addition to organizing she has been highly politically active, lobbying in favor of (and against) numerous California and federal laws. The laws that she supported included the following:

1960 bill to permit people to take the California driver's examination in Spanish
1962 legislation repealing the Bracero Program
1963 legislation to extend Aid to Families with Dependent Children to California farmworkers
The 1975 California Agricultural Labor Relations Act

As an advocate for farmworkers' rights, Huerta has been arrested twenty-two times for participating in non-violent civil disobedience activities and strikes. She remains active in progressive causes, and serves on the boards of People for the American Way, Consumer Federation of California, and Feminist Majority Foundation.

In September 1988, in front of the St. Francis Hotel in Union Square, Huerta was severely beaten by San Francisco Police officers during a peaceful and lawful protest of the policies/platform of then-candidate for president George H.W. Bush. The baton-beating caused significant internal injuries to her torso, resulting in several broken ribs and necessitating the removal of her spleen in emergency surgery. The beating was caught on videotape and broadcast widely on local television news, including the clear ramming of the butt end of a baton into Huerta's torso by one of the helmeted officers. Later, Huerta won a large judgment against the SFPD and the City of San Francisco, the proceeds of which were used for the benefit of farm workers.[9] The assault is credited with starting yet another movement to change SFPD crowd control policies and the manner in which officer discipline is handled.


read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Huerta

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
170. So, Huerta should be supporting the anti-establishment candidate instead of the establishment.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:36 PM
Feb 2016

Sarandon is.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
194. this shows just how ignorant the attacks on Huerta are
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:35 PM
Feb 2016

...because you say this and that, she's not anti-establishment?

What delusion. Worse, it's sophistry.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
251. It's almost unbelievable to me that we have to explain this to the supposed progressives.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:23 PM
Feb 2016

The Sanders campaign has hit a low point I never expected to see. It's cratering.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
168. How brave of Sarandon, bullying an 85 year old woman.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:32 PM
Feb 2016

Ms Huerta showed so much restraint. I Sarandon or anyone got on my face, the cops would be called

Sad to see so many SBS supporters applauding this. But then again, this is the MO of many of them. Their reputation is well earned.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
179. How gross of Hillary fans-- intentionally advancing the ugliest lies...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:57 PM
Feb 2016

...just because they think it might help their candidate cut down a lifelong liberal activist.

Response to Marr (Reply #179)

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
255. No kidding
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:30 PM
Feb 2016

These tactics are disgusting. They think all they have to do is tell fucking lies. I hope Clinton loses and loses big.

Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
192. I thought so! I had such a crush on her as a kid.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:34 PM
Feb 2016

Actually, my wife doesn't read DU, so I still have such a crush on her. Bernie fan or no.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
198. The 85-year-old shouldn't have tarnished her career by lying
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:39 PM
Feb 2016

A shame that people have such piss poor standards for heroes.

90% of the Hillary fans who are pretending they were offended had probably never heard of her before.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
208. Sanders supporters got their way at that caucus after harrassing Huerta
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:08 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders supporters succeeded in denying Spanish-speaking participants a translator.

It was Huerta and the Spanish-speaking caucus-goers who were aggrieved in that incident, not Sanders.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
199. seriously ?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:42 PM
Feb 2016

you expect to be taken seriously by intelligent people when you toss out the word "hatred" like that?

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
210. I question the intelligence
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:10 PM
Feb 2016

...of anyone who treats elders that way.

Even less intelligence apparent in those who defend it.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
203. "sickening hated"
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:04 PM
Feb 2016

Absurd hyperbole aside, not being real fond of liars is hardly a negative personality trait.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
253. Where the FUCK is she berating her?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:28 PM
Feb 2016

Post the minute where you think that happens.

Delusional. Or shit slinging.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
231. OMG... what a lame attempt to keep up this disingenuous tactic.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:09 PM
Feb 2016

You should be ashamed. There is nothing wrong in the video. In fact I really loved the part at the end when the people are chanting about getting rid of Super Pacs and Wall Street.

Thanks for that!

.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
241. If you don't see what's wrong here, then you have no idea what's going on.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:38 PM
Feb 2016

You missed 60 years of civil rights' struggle.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
262. Quit using race and civil rights as your goddam billyclub
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

To try and win political points for your candidate who is incapable of running on issues.

It's fucking disgusting and disrespectful as hell.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
271. Results...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

... of somebody's fucking lame alert -

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On Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:14 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Quit using race and civil rights as your goddam billyclub
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1313593

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This post is just abusive for no reason, not an attempt t engage or discuss the op, just a personal attack on a good poster. Please hide this angry and unnecessary attack. Thank you.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:23 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

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yardwork

(61,650 posts)
284. I didn't alert. Why don't you go rec your friend Willy's thread.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:49 AM
Feb 2016

There's more racism and anti-Semitism for Sanders supporters to rec on DU today.

247. Repulsive
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

She is speaking her like she is a child. We gals at the Kneel and Pray love the zestie Ms. S and in face Sister Clara Vision and Sister I. Juana Enchilada love to take out the convent T-Bird ala "Thelma and Louse" and scare the ca-ca out of truck drivers.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
252. FAUX OUTRAGE!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:27 PM
Feb 2016

Did you watch the video? They are talking! Then she is doing what people do a caucuses, try to convince people about their candidate.

WTF is wrong with you all?

Post the time in that video where you think you see 'harassing'.

Good gods, you've all gone nuts or you're just making shit up hoping stuff sticks.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
257. yes and SS was lecturing her.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:38 PM
Feb 2016

you know what, go with that OK. whatever. You defending someone talking down to an 85 year old icon, will just lose more votes for Bernie.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
258. At what minute in the video?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:48 PM
Feb 2016

People are caucusing. It's what people do at caucuses.

You are seeing what you want to see. No, I'm being generous. It's pretty obvious the 'outrage' is just a bogus pile of disingenuous bovine scatology.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
263. As I expected. Did you even watch the video?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

No one watching that video can point out when any harassment happens and be honest about it.

Good night yourself.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
282. What was your favorite part?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:30 AM
Feb 2016

Mine was when all those people were chanting that "Super Pacs have got to go!".

I also did find it quite interesting how little Huerta knew about Hillary's involvement on issues. Odd. And troubling.

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Response to rbrnmw (Original post)

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
275. That is a disingenuous OP. She NEVER DID this AT ALL...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:04 AM
Feb 2016

Do you just post videos to think people don't WATCH them? Are you hearing impaired?

What she did was to have a conversation in that messy, noisy hall prior to caucus. They were engaged and friendly and the point she made about Hillary's having supported GMOs around the world, as well as fracking included asking Dolores if she saw a clip of Hillary doing this to convince her. Looks like Dolores said afterwards that she also protested against Monsanto. After this conversation, you can see that there were many persons of color chanting, "hey, hey, ho-ho, SuperPACs have got to go!".

So, I don't know that the hell YOU think is going on here, but what you said should be retracted for the entire way it mis-represents the video.

Are people supposed to be so lame in their pile-on, "Oh, yeah!" comments as a result of this lie you put out?

Well... DUH... I guess they are!!!

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
286. Point to the time in the clip to show us this...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

She did NOTHING OF THE KIND.

I want to be sensitive as to whether you are visually or hearing impaired.

ARE you visual or hearing impaired?

Let's all look at the time where you tell us to see and hear what has convinced you of this.

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