would-be students college because they cannot afford it, in order to keep some colleges open and turning a profit?
This is Third Way stuff, for sure.

...not just keeping some colleges open to turn a profit.

The third way stuff has absolutely nothing to do with what Rep. Clyburn and others in the black community are defending here. I'll say that as nicely as I can the first time, because I imagine you didn't mean to be so crass toward these institutions.

That seems wrong, sorry. All it will do is perpetuate soaring student debt.

...I don't believe Bernie's plan is merely: sorry, too bad for HBCUs. His camp addressed this with much more tact than you.


here's a good place to begin your response to folks concerned (as i'm sure you are) about the fate of HBCUs, offered by your primary choice's camp:

Warren Gunnels, Sanders' campaign policy director, said no presidential candidate is more committed to strengthening HBCUs than Sanders, whose plan would give students a tuition-free education at public HBCUs and meet all financial needs of the lowest income students attending those schools.

At all HBCUs -- including private -- low income students could use federal, state and college financial aid to cover room and board, books and living expenses, Gunnels said in a statement. He would also cut student loan interest rates almost in half for all students enrolled in an HBCU and help students build career experience by more than tripling the federal work-study program at HBCUs. Everyone who has attended an HBCU would be able to refinance student loans at today's low interest rates, he wrote.

"Bernie understands that too many HBCU's have struggled financially in recent years from a lack of federal resources," Gunnels wrote. "That’s why he supports a dedicated $30 billion fund to support private non-profit HBCU's and other minority serving institutions to keep their costs down. Unlike Secretary Clinton, Bernie does not believe that we should unfairly punish HBCUs by fining them for their non-performing student loans."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/02/16/bernie-sanders-support-black-colleges-questioned/80465036/

...that didn't seem so hard, did it? At least the campaign is responding directly, with due sensitivity, to this IMPORTANT concern about the fate of historically black colleges and universities.

What is hard is reading bullshit like Bernie's plan will kill HBCUs.

...and something which Bernie's campaign will need to get out front on.

I don't know why there isn't more recognition of the sensitivity of this issue for the communities affected? If Bernie can't communicate this effectively, that's all you're going to read from advocates and others concerned.

Peace to you.

What kind of bigoted position is that?

Put aside whether or not you think that's a price worth paying. Do you acknowledge the potential impact on HBCUs?

Federal support for private HBCUs and their students.

If Public schools are tuition free, and private schools are not, do you acknowledge that would the private schools less competitive?

I suspect that lots of folks supporting this DO know that, and they are okay with it, for a variety of reasons. And I'm not unsympathetic in many respects. But I think they know that acknowledging that would severely undercut support for the plan.

FWIW, I attended a public university for my BS, and my wife is a professor at a public university.

support that has been chipped away for decades. Dozens of UBCUs have closed their door over the past few decades due to lack of Federal support for the institutions and students. Restoring Federal support, especially for students, would strengthen private UBCUs.

There is NO chance this would get passed. I can't help but feel that a lot of Bernie's big plans kid if crumble when you look at them closely.

BUT, I must say I admire his ambition. I think his heart is in the right place and I think he points the direction we need to eventually go.

assistance to private black colleges and their students.

20 times the number of black students to attend college.

The horror!

And there is no reason to believe the other half would.be killed off.

http://college.usatoday.com/2015/09/09/obama-free-two-year-community-college-michigan-speech/

President Obama continued to promote his controversial proposal to provide two free years of community college during a speech Wednesday at Macomb Community College in Warren, Mich. During his talk, Obama announced the creation of the College Promise Advisory Board, as well as $175 million in apprenticeship grants by the Department of Labor.

“Education has always been the secret sauce, the secret to America’s success,” he said.

Jill Biden will head the advisory board alongside former Wyoming governor Jim Geringer and former under secretary of education Martha Kanter.

The plan, American College Promise, would lead to a “better, smarter America,” Biden said at Macomb.

“Joe and I, the first lady and the president, would not be here today without an education.”

more...

Amazing how coordinated these posts are

Entry will be equally competitive, and students will still be confronted with difficult choices about whether to go public or private.

If allowing all Black youth the opportunity for a college education would harm the Historically Black colleges, then, by God let's keep them down.

Beyond that, wasn't Hillary for 'essentially' free college yesterday?

I have so much respect for Clyburn, it pains me to see him put a candidate above the cause he has worked his whole life for. I can't believe he's actually arguing against free tuition for Black youth.

it's clear going to a historically black college isn't a top priority. Why are there segregated colleges anyway?

or ever? If you have and you are asking that question, then clearly you aren't a minority. In even very large classes at a normal university, a black student, especially a black male student, is likely to be a very small minority in the room. Being gay I can appreciate that a bit myself. I can see why a black student might prefer a college where s/he would be in the majority for a change.

My point is that many students can't afford to go to the college of their choice whether it's a traditionally black school or not. Having the option of free tuition at a public college is akin to a lottery win in my opinion. It's unreasonable to think every private school can somehow be underwritten and it wouldn't be fair to cherry pick black colleges for extra support while ignoring other private colleges.

call it 40 acres and a mule.

Yes, even there minorities are, for lack of a better word, in the minority. However, the bulk of the students are not poor. They may not come from families who earn +500,000 per year, but most come from the +100,000 year categories. That reality won't change because public education might become free. Those better off Americans will still go public, and the rest will be confronted with how to pay for private university.

I haven't been on a campus for awhile but when I was there blacks were less than 5% of the population. They would often by the only or one of two students in a class of 30. that gets old fast.

... I get about a combined 8-10 AA and Latino/a students. In spite of the strong "Europeanness" of my specialty and the subjects I teach, I beat the university average. That said, I know that most of my students fall easily into the upper middle class, even those who are minorities. If not, many of them are ex-military or ROTC.

Jackson State is already significantly cheaper than Tougaloo (Tougaloo: $10,607/year, Jackson State: $6,866/year). Currently, kids who want to attend Tougaloo and whose parents can afford the tuition, attend Tougaloo. Kids whose parents can't afford Tougaloo but can afford Jackson State, attend Jackson State. Kids whose parents can't afford Jackson State don't go to college.

Under Bernie's plan, that third group will be able to attend college. How does this negatively impact Tougaloo?

as an enemy of African Americans.

If Bernies plan made sure HBCUs were funded, I'm sure Clyburn is paid well enough to find something else to be poutraged about.
This has gotten to the point where whenever a Clinton surrogate opens their mouth, I just assume they're lying. Never disappointed.

For a real analysis not by a sur orate trotted out to do Clinton smearing.

By someone not affiliated with the Clinton campaign. Just a Florida Trial Lawyer.
For the past ten years Hobbs has been a regularly featured columnist in The Hill and the Tallahassee Democrat, where he was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize in Commentary in 2010. His editorials have also appeared in the Miami Herald, the Florida Times-Union and the Tampa Tribune. Hobbs covered the 2008 Republican Convention as a blogger for the Tallahassee Democrat. In 2007, Hobbs earned honorable mention at the Florida Bar Media Awards for an article on the Martin Lee Anderson case and in 2010, won first place in the same competition on a series of articles regarding race, gender and the judiciary.

Hobbs has previously served as legal adviser to the Florida State Conference of Branches of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People as well as a member of the Leon County Charter Review Commission. An active member of Bethel AME Church, he also holds memberships in Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Incorporated, Valentine Lodge #147 PHA F&AM; 100 Black Men of America, The Federalist Society and the Florida Supreme Court Historical Society.

http://www.langleyharper.com/bernie-sanders-is-better-for-black-colleges/


FYI not that anyone may care -- but I'm done with Clinton. My decision is made now by this kind of crap. Tell me why I should vote for you Hill. Don't use your surrogates to lie about your opponent. I'm writing Sanders name in and voting down ticket. She is lost to me.

Until people are taught to critically think, are given impartial information and allowed to examine all the +'s and -'s for themselves, we will always be sheep lead to the slaughter not only by Republicans but also by those who call themselves friends and allies.

We will forever be slaves of the Matrix. It is all by design.

and not by choice? Once people can freely choose, they won't choose these colleges so better for them to remain a necessity for the black community?

OK.

God forbid we have a transaction tax on wall street trades.

Much better to keep the status quo & things like having American citizens and not US corporations pay income taxes to support endless war for profits and help bump up stock prices.

Can you guys hear yourselves?

re: "you start handing out two years of free college at public institutions are you ready for all the black, private HBCUs to close down? That’s what’s going to happen."

I'm not addressing the actual assertion here (other comments are doing that), but IF this is the concern, then why not say the same about Hillary's plan to offer two years of free college (community college)? (Bernie's plan actually offers 4 years, but that doesn't matter here.)

It wouldn't close down any schools. It would simply allow students with better grades to attend the better colleges even if their financial status might have prevented it under our current system.

In other words, donors who give $ to public colleges for various scholarships could donate those funds to private colleges instead, as the funds wouldn't be needed at the state schools.

Women's colleges didn't shut down after most colleges went coed.

Damn

This could save many struggling public HBCUs however.

An alternative to the waiver process would be allowing the HBCUs to become public in states that would have them, or to allow them to become "public" like the handful of service academies whose public status is through the federal instead of the state government.

I suppose the Congressman forgot about them.

and he should take that discussion on the road.

What else is there to say?

majority of black students that attend an HBCU go to public one (51)which means under Sen. Sanders plan = free tuition



plus Sen. Sanders is commit to spend up to 30 Billion on HBCUs