2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMorgan Freeman voices new Clinton ad: ‘She’s always stood with us’
Actor Morgan Freeman says in a new ad for Hillary Clinton that the Democratic presidential candidate has always stood with us.
The Freeman-narrated ad, called Stand, began running in South Carolina this weekend.
It touches on gun violence and deaths in police custody and focuses on the former secretary of States recent focus on the water crisis in Flint, Mich. and her work in the Obama administration.
This is the second time the Academy Award winner has tapped for a Clinton ad. Freeman touted her commitment to breaking barriers in a previous ad.
The new ad coincides with forums scheduled in ten South Carolina cities ahead of next weekend's Democratic primary that will be hosted by mothers who lost children including Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland and Eric Garner
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270187-morgan-freeman-voices-new-clinton-ad-shes-always-stood
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)Commercial.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)this all appears to be just a game to her, and opportunity to appear to be something she is not. I sure hope that if she does win the nomination and becomes the next President she will suddenly realize how the games she and her husband have played have hurt the people of this nation. This country is at a turning point, this is no time for politics as usual IMHO.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Many of us thought that was curious..but, that maybe she cautioned the media she didn't want to be filmed because it would look bad the day before the S.C. Primary. So, there was nothing until this Morgan Freeman sound tracked ad appeared.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)free speech, proposing criminalizing it.
On trade.
On marriage equality.
On fracking.
On corporate wrongdoing
On reinstating Glass-Steagall.
On Iraq, which she fucking cheerled for years.
On Libya
On Syria
The list goes on.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)She didn't and if she wins the presidency you can count on her to continue with more of the same.
Every labor issue ever.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)to control an entire population for so long. Some refuse to learn and understand history, some refuse to realize how policies implemented during the Clinton administration of which Hillary was a part, not just first lady, has caused as much harm to minorities in this nation as the racist policies of those considered forefathers caused. It really makes me sad to see this.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)to control an entire population for so long. Some refuse to learn and understand history, some refuse to realize how policies implemented during the Clinton administration of which Hillary was a part, not just first lady, has caused as much harm to minorities in this nation as the racist policies of those considered forefathers caused. It really makes me sad to see this.
Maybe four hundred years of history in this nation has informed them that flowery words in the absence of a plan has never improved their station in life. IMHO, it takes a great deal of privilege to believe enlightenment didn't escape you and yours while escaping a whole other group pf people.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)themselves, however; just as these commercials are flooding the web and our airwaves trying to call peoples attention to "the fact that Hillary Clinton has always been with us" and gives only good reasons for what she has done while with us, I would ask those who think for themselves to actually look at the history of the Clinton administration and then think for themselves. A commercial is just that, nothing but a commercial bought and paid for by someone who is trying to tell people what they should think. I'm sure you must be aware of that.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Most folks will act in their own self interest and act in the interest of others after measuring the cost to them of doing so. To some folks the costs are always too high. To other folks those costs vary...
I do know that Bill and Hill as young and connected Yale Law School grads could have written their own ticket in corporate America. Instead Hillary became an ACLU observer for Black Panther trials, worked in South Carolina to insure juvenile offenders weren't housed with adult offenders, went to Alabama to write about segregated private schools , and then work for Legal Aid. I know Bill Clinton became Attorney General and then governor of Arkansas where he earned a relatively paltry $35,000.00 a year.
Have the Clintons cashed in? Yeah, but they waited to become sexagenarians to do so. That point is always obscured.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)including the President plan their strategy to get to where they want to go from the time they are in college. If they are smart. President Obama could have written his own ticket also, but he decided to become a community organizer.. first step on the way to the presidency.
An ACLU observer for the Black Panther trials? A minor role given to a law student and who is to say if her observing did any good at all. Remember, this was during the time of Cointelpro...who was observing the FBI?
Working to help Juvenile offenders housed with adult offenders? Who helped get those Juvenile offenders there in the first place:
As far as cashing in, I don't even have to comment on that but I will....
Why Did the Clinton Foundation Fund Dangerous, Unhealthy Trailers in Haiti?
In the wake of Haiti's devastating earthquake last year, the Clinton Foundation funded the construction of hundreds of highly toxic, moldy, searingly hot emergency shelter trailers.
http://www.thenation.com/article/why-did-clinton-foundation-fund-dangerous-unhealthy-trailers-haiti-2/
More damage to black people? I would say so.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)I like these facts:
heaven05
(18,124 posts)A large segment of our population, irrespective of race don't and won't.......think for their selves.......they want to be led. Been proven time and again over 400+ years of American history....race riots....lynchings, burning of whole black communities and killing of the occupants based 99.9% of the time, ON A LIE, black republicans(truly mind boggling), religion and American sheep being led on race and political issues by the preacher and this list goes on.......AND THE PART ABOUT BILL'S policies concerning minorities....sadly, very true. I will never trust ANY American politician in any manner except to trust they will lie and misrepresent themselves to any group to get their vote. But I will vote because so far it will be, again, primaries and GE, the lessor of 2.....TWO EVILS.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)SMH
Nobody seems to think much of our autonomy.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)You don't need no stinkin' automony, girl! (I guess I should put the sarcasm tag here since both of us are constantly stalked?)
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... your convictions to be explicit and say what you mean.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)But I'd like to something else here:
What other role did she play? Did she write/introduce/vote on/etc bills, legislation, laws? Please expand on this.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)when he was putting people in prison, executing them, and tearing families apart?
oh and lets not forget the war, which she voted for, which includes a high proportion of families of color in the military.
sorry, dsb. i don't get it.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)facts are so much better than fiction. Thank you!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)its the clinton way, sadly
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Are you referring to the 1994 crime bill that Senator Sanders voted for and the wars he continues to vote to fund?
In the law there is the "clean hands doctrine" , a rule of law that a person coming to court with a lawsuit or petition for a court order must be free from unfair conduct or from engaging in the conduct he or she is accusing others of.
Supporters of the Vermont independent should peer into their conscience before criticizing others for voting for bills that the senator himself supported and voting for wars he continues to vote to fund.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the reasons for that should be obvious. as to he 1994 crime bill, he also voted for an amendment to that bill to replace the death penalty with life in prison.
unlike bill clinton, who presided over numerous executions in arkansas, including,
"And so Bill Clinton put to death a black man, so mentally impaired that, when led to the death chamber, he left behind his pie, believing that, after his execution, he would return to consume it. In putting to death this black man, Clinton committed an act that, some 10 years later, the Republican-dominated US Supreme Court would rule occurred in clear violation of the United States Constitution."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/22/520138/-
and lets not forget that hillary supports the dp, which everyone knows is particularly unfair to poc. so i will stand with bernie any day on his approach to crime, unlike the clintons, for whom the deaths of human beings seem to be political pawns and photo ops, as sad as that is for me to say.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)which HILLARY COMMITTED TO WAR, high and dry with improper equipment, salaries, etc??
c'mon, dsb. you strike me as a very compassionate person. such a vote would not only be inhumane, it would do nothing to reverse the command that put them in harms way, which again, was voted in the affirmative by hillary.
not to mention that it is a guarantee that had he voted to defund, there would be daily threads about how he "sold out the troops for his principled stance against the war."
fortunately, bernie votes his conscience and does not focus group his decisions. it was the right vote
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If he was the deciding vote I would argue he should vote for funding. You can't leave the troops in the field. But he isn't the deciding vote. He would take a political hit though and that is why I suspect he votes to continue it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)yea,i know they talk and all, but trying to vote based on how others might vote sounds like a very risky option, and not one i see bernie wanting to take, not because of political backlash, but because he would want to vote as he sees right, not for political gamesmanship.
and i am going to go out on not really much of a limb and say he felt it was right to fund troops already committed, even if he himself did not commit them to war.
nice chatting with you!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)that bernie should have defunded the troops?
i am so confused at this point!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... get to have nuance and no one else does
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and voting to supply troops already in the field. it has nothing to do with nuance. bernie is not about to use the lives of our forces to make a political point. while some might, he won't.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... and he can vote to NOT supply troops so they can't fight and so they have to come home.
He can't have it both ways, not at all
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)it justs costs more lives. i mean, do think for a second, the evil one, via his puppet w, would have stopped his war for revenge and oil if a few thousand more troops has died? he doesn't give a shit about life or the danger they were in. he never worried about it enough to stop his hard on for saddam, and he would not let soldiers lives stop him for his damn oil.
gonna have to disagree on this one....
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)If you haven't, maybe if you took the time to read it you would know why Bernie Sanders voted for it.
Khalil Muhammad, a leading scholar on the political, social and economic links between race and crime, said the 1994 crime bill was a signature accomplishment for Bill Clinton and not the same as a congressman voting for a bill.
Here is the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-bill/3355
And just about every democrat voted for the bill because of what the bill contained:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1994/s295
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)At the end of the day he voted for the bill...I suspect he was voting the will of the homogeneous , rural, and sparsely populated state he represents. I wouldn't expect him or them to understand the struggles of the others who inhabit the more heterogeneous and urban rest of the nation.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)did not sound like someone voting the will of a homogeneous, rural, or sparsely populated state. He specifically called out the bill for what it would do to African Americans. As I said, there was a lot in the bill that made it hard to vote against it. You have to realize that Bernie Sanders was not the perpetrator of this bill, it was Bill and Hillary Clinton. The blame is ALL theirs.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It is interesting that you would assign more credit or blame for the passage of a bill to a First Lady than an elected representative who actually voted for it.
I don't blame Mrs. Sanders for the fact that Senator Sanders voted against five iterations of the Brady Bill, for gun manufacturer immunity, against immigration reform in 2007, and voted for a bill that protected the Minutemen in 2006.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)So now you wish to take the train off the tracks, away from the topic at hand and start arguing about the wives of politicians. I guess this means you have nothing else. Later...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)-monicaangela
I always take an ad hominem attack as evidence I have vanquished my adversary, even if pride prevents him or her from admitting it.
-monicaangela
Hoisted on your own petard. It was you who assigned blame to Hillary Clinton for a bill she did not and could not vote for:
-monicaangela
I wish you better luck next time...Practice makes perfect.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Who isn't stupid?
Are people that disagree with you stupid?
Isn't that presumptuous to suggest everybody who disagrees with you is stupid?
Why would you make such a supposition in the first place?
Did you walk in his shoes?
Do you know anybody intimately who has walked in his shoes?
Thank you in advance.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Now Morgan Freeman can come hang out with us under the bus! What fun!
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Thank you in advance.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Seriously?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)BTW, it's the commercial we are discussing.
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)They're actors. This is why Reagan was elected.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)He speaks truth!
polly7
(20,582 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)and minimize the many dumb mistakes her campaign and surrogates/supporters make, I feel like her road to the presidency would be a cakewalk. I feel like a lot of people came into this primary wanting to like Clinton, but her campaign keeps finding ways to highlight her faults.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... a chance of winning the nomination.
Go, Hillary! We love you!
tularetom
(23,664 posts)because when I watched that ad I sure as hell didn't get the feeling I was part of "us".
Do you think "us" will change after she weasels her way into the nomination?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... takes offense to how the marginalized expresses themselves similar to the establishment.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Thanks DSB
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Terrific ad.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)his magnificent skills would not have chosen to side with the Establishment that has led the way at dominating all un rich Americans.
He doesn't need the money.
brooklynite
(94,594 posts)jonjon
(68 posts)She's ALWAYS stood with them.