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GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:52 AM Feb 2016

Clinton's message is now so tightly scripted that her supporters can't articulate it

She is playing populist right now but she can't say anything that will alienate her biggest donors. If she wants their checks she has to do their bidding. With Sanders framing the issue of big money influence, the spotlight is on.

To try and level the playing field, Team Clinton came up with the meme that "Sanders is a one issue candidate." This is in part because they don't want to answer to all of the issues and differences Sanders has raised. They can't without sounding less populist but even the one Sanders issue that they do acknowledge, big money in politics, cuts strongly against Clinton.

They are stuck playing defense and believe that 'the best defense is a good offense.' Since her supporters can't make a coherent case for why any of us who aren't comfortable insiders should vote for Hillary, they spend their time trying to tear down Bernie. It all becomes very muddled in a hurry as Team Clinton takes two contradictory positions on almost everything. For example, they admit big money in politics is a corrupting influence but say 'everybody does it so they have to do it too.' On issue after issue, they plead guilty and then claim everyone does it. Called out on this, they are desperate to find some one time that Sanders also sold out (and how's that going btw?)

It may blunt the momentum but defense doesn't win. You need to stand for something that most people want, like shoring up Social Security. Mitt Romney lost with a similar strategy -- claiming that taxpayers want "free stuff". After all the mud slinging, we are voters not firewalls.

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Clinton's message is now so tightly scripted that her supporters can't articulate it (Original Post) GreatGazoo Feb 2016 OP
Bernie's so bad (and his supporters, too) that I have to appropriate his platform? merrily Feb 2016 #1
It seems more like 'oh I see you like what he says and you like him but he won't be able to deliver GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #9
I didn't listen to her Nevada victory speech, but I heard she appropriated from Bernie. merrily Feb 2016 #10
I know she has talked about $12/hr min wage GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #11
Nevada victory speech? merrily Feb 2016 #12
Yes. Here it is... GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #13
Thank you! She's hitting a lot of the same issues he's been hitting. merrily Feb 2016 #14
wow... can you lst her policy positions? Any of them? They are moving targets to be sure. yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #2
I love your GIF Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #3
They seem very passionate for two non-voting animals in a Red state. NT GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #8
If this is her "playing populist" vi5 Feb 2016 #4
She is relying on the other choice being worse GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #6
To be fair, the DU Hillary contingent has abandoned all of the issues Doctor_J Feb 2016 #5
They're just furthering us down the road to ruin. Broward Feb 2016 #7
Make this an OP. What are her issues? She has copied Bernie on a few panader0 Feb 2016 #18
However, she has mastered platitudes and CYA. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #15
Here is her stance on Sanders' issues: "Me too, but not really." mhatrw Feb 2016 #16
Right! AND she'll "be more effective, because she knows how to work with the GOP," at not getting GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #17

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
9. It seems more like 'oh I see you like what he says and you like him but he won't be able to deliver
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:31 AM
Feb 2016

so don't get your hopes up.'

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. I didn't listen to her Nevada victory speech, but I heard she appropriated from Bernie.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:38 AM
Feb 2016

Didn't Bernie made some joke about copyright infringement.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
11. I know she has talked about $12/hr min wage
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:49 AM
Feb 2016

so some of it is "Bernie-Lite". Her highest scoring ad is the one that seems the most like a Sanders ad:



Sanders says Expand Social Security and Medicare -- Clinton says "how about just daycare?" I guess that is Bernie-extra-Lite.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
13. Yes. Here it is...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:18 PM
Feb 2016
Students with too much debt,...To the more than 750,000 people who've gone to Hillaryclinton.com and contributed what you could, the vast majority giving less than $100 dollars,
...
We look at our country and see so much that isn't working the way it should. We see grandparents forced to choose between paying rent and buying medicine because a prescription drug company has increased prices 5,000% overnight. We see African American families denied mortgages are nearly three times the rate of white families.
...
In the campaign, we've heard a lot about Washington and Wall Street. We all want to get secret unaccountable money out of politics. That starts with appointing a new Justice to the Supreme Court.


She slips in the qualifier "secret, unaccountable" in front of money and then says that it won't be starting with her.

Goes on from there:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/20/transcript-hillary-clintons-nevada-cacuses-victory-speech/

merrily

(45,251 posts)
14. Thank you! She's hitting a lot of the same issues he's been hitting.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:36 PM
Feb 2016

Here's one--trying to imply she has a lot of small donors. Bernie has had about 4 million donations, averaging under $30 each. She claims 750,000 donors with the vast majority giving under $100 each. Doesn't seem to add up. But, then, she's counting only what comes through hillary.com. Not the PAC and the checks she picks up personally.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
4. If this is her "playing populist"
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:57 AM
Feb 2016

Then god help us all.

As I just said in another thread, I really wonder if Hillary and her court plan on actually campaigning on any goals or hopes or if their entire platform is just going to consist of shouting "President Trump" or "President Rubio" over and over again?

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
6. She is relying on the other choice being worse
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:13 AM
Feb 2016

but that's why she is having trouble with Sanders.

The Clintons do best when they are under attack from the Right. It makes them seem center-left. But attacks from the Left have the opposite effect.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
5. To be fair, the DU Hillary contingent has abandoned all of the issues
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:13 AM
Feb 2016

Their entire campaign is now two things:

1. She's ahead of Sanders in the polls (true)
2. She can get elected in the ge, Sanders can't (lie)

And a few of them admit that they like corporatist rule, a few that if HRC was an ax murderer they would still vote for her because "we've had enough white men presidents".

panader0

(25,816 posts)
18. Make this an OP. What are her issues? She has copied Bernie on a few
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

but I don't really know what they are. I know what she is though. Her negatives are through the roof.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
16. Here is her stance on Sanders' issues: "Me too, but not really."
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:06 PM
Feb 2016

"I promise to echo Sanders' concerns as long as you all understand that I will not actually do anything about them!"

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
17. Right! AND she'll "be more effective, because she knows how to work with the GOP," at not getting
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:54 PM
Feb 2016

them done.

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