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firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:59 AM Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders Wanted to Abolish the CIA

The CIA is “a dangerous institution that has got to go,” Sanders told an audience in Vermont in October 1974. He described the agency as a tool of American corporate interests that repeatedly toppled democratic leaders—including, he said, Iran's Mosaddegh. The agency was accountable to no one, he fumed, "except right-wing lunatics who us it to prop up fascist dictatorships."


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-cia-219451#ixzz40uBBm7ai
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Bernie Sanders Wanted to Abolish the CIA (Original Post) firebrand80 Feb 2016 OP
He's always been an incredibly smart guy! RiverLover Feb 2016 #1
No shit. Ghost Dog Feb 2016 #2
The Establishment wasn't having any of that. Orsino Feb 2016 #3
Good that he recognized the heinous crimes of the CIA cali Feb 2016 #4
Nooooo! Their record is so fantastic, promoting democracy around the globe! Human101948 Feb 2016 #5
Exactly. polly7 Feb 2016 #14
Yeah, me too. dchill Feb 2016 #29
That explains everything. TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #6
I believe that Carter wanted to abolish the CIA as well. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #7
...and then the CIA had a little talk with Mr. Sanders. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2016 #8
That... Only really earns more of my respect. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #9
Bernie always on the correct side of history. WDIM Feb 2016 #10
His position today would be more nuanced, would it not? Ghost Dog Feb 2016 #11
I would expect such nuance firebrand80 Feb 2016 #16
Because everyone just LOVES the CIA now! mhatrw Feb 2016 #25
I would expect a sheep to not realize the CIA's spying on him. n/t VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #30
So nothing but 10-word Tweets are acceptable speech nowadays? Armstead Feb 2016 #33
Anything more recent than 1974? Skid Rogue Feb 2016 #12
Yes they would. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #21
Yeah and they'll drag out some old quotes from Clinton too Armstead Feb 2016 #31
Absolutely right... Skid Rogue Feb 2016 #37
I'll likely go for Plan D -- Total apathy about it all Armstead Feb 2016 #38
LOL and he hated JFK! tk2kewl Feb 2016 #13
I hope DHS is also on his list! tk2kewl Feb 2016 #20
Oh geeze, will Hillary try and use this against him? I hope so, then she can have another Kissinger Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #15
If he becomes president I hope he does and throws in the NSA for good measure. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #17
Fabulous! Another reason to love Bernie. panader0 Feb 2016 #18
And that's a bad thing? Autumn Feb 2016 #19
Cool. bigwillq Feb 2016 #22
to his credit bigtree Feb 2016 #23
I think that would be a good idea. joshcryer Feb 2016 #24
The CIA's domestic criminal perception managers ran out of bread and circuses & unaccountability. bobthedrummer Feb 2016 #26
Smartest thing EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #27
Were you alive in the 70's? -- The CIA was doing a lot heinous things Armstead Feb 2016 #28
I'm confused. Am I suppose to be troubled by this? phleshdef Feb 2016 #32
Party In The CIA whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #34
Jeremy Bash - the floater of this latest meme runs the consulting firm that advises Hillary, Cruz Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #35
Torturers and worse. Just like some of the Agency's assets. Thanks Nanjeanne! n/t bobthedrummer Feb 2016 #40
One year before the Church Committee Kentonio Feb 2016 #36
If only that were true. What's funny is... JackRiddler Feb 2016 #39
They were out of control. moondust Feb 2016 #41
One more reason to love him. nt malokvale77 Feb 2016 #42
NSA, too. Good idea, if you love democracy. Octafish Feb 2016 #43
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. Good that he recognized the heinous crimes of the CIA
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:07 AM
Feb 2016

Or don't you agree that the CIA has committed heinous crimes?

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
5. Nooooo! Their record is so fantastic, promoting democracy around the globe!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:08 AM
Feb 2016
35 countries where the U.S. has supported fascists, drug lords and terrorists
http://www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_countries_the_u_s_has_backed_international_crime_partner/

Mapped: The 7 Governments the U.S. Has Overthrown
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/20/mapped-the-7-governments-the-u-s-has-overthrown/

CIA: The Rogue Agency Puts On A Global Horror Show
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=9034

polly7

(20,582 posts)
14. Exactly.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:38 AM
Feb 2016
Pilger - From Pol Pot to ISIS: The blood never dried

Bush and Blair blew all this to bits. Iraq is now a nest of jihadism. Al-Qaeda - like Pol Pot's "jihadists" - seized the opportunity provided by the onslaught of 'Shock and Awe' and the civil war that followed. "Rebel" Syria offered even greater rewards, with CIA and Gulf state ratlines of weapons, logistics and money running through Turkey. The arrival of foreign recruits was inevitable. A former British ambassador, Oliver Miles, wrote, "The [Cameron] government seems to be following the example of Tony Blair, who ignored consistent advice from the Foreign Office, MI5 and MI6 that our Middle East policy - and in particular our Middle East


The only effective opponents of ISIS are accredited demons of the west - Syria, Iran, Hezbollah and now Russia. The obstacle is Turkey, an "ally" and a member of Nato, which has conspired with the CIA, MI6 and the Gulf medievalists to channel support to the Syrian "rebels", including those now calling themselves ISIS. Supporting Turkey in its long-held ambition for regional dominance by overthrowing the Assad government beckons a major conventional war and the horrific dismemberment of the most ethnically diverse state in the Middle East.


Full article: http://johnpilger.com/articles/from-pol-pot-to-isis-the-blood-never-dried


Anti-Empire Report #140

by William Blum / November 3rd, 2015

Are you confused by the Middle East? Here are some things you should know. (But you’ll probably still be confused.)

-The US, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, and the Gulf monarchies have all in the recent past supported al Qaeda and/or the Islamic State (ISIS) with arms, money, and/or manpower.
-The first example of this was in 1979 when the United States began covert operations in Afghanistan, six months before the Russians arrived, promoting Islamic fundamentalism across the southern tier of the Soviet Union against “godless communism”. All the al-Qaeda/Taliban shit then followed.
-In addition to Afghanistan, the United States has provided support to Islamic militants in Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya, the Caucasus, and Syria.
-The United States overthrew the secular governments of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya and is trying to do the same with Syria, thus giving great impetus to the rise of ISIS. Said Barack Obama in March of this year: “ISIS is a direct outgrowth of al-Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion. Which is an example of unintended consequences. Which is why we should generally aim before we shoot.”1


The United States, I suggest, is hostile to the Syrian government for the same reason it has been hostile to Cuba for more than half a century; and hostile to Venezuela for the past 15 years; and earlier to Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia; and to Dominican Republic, Uruguay, and Chile; and so on continuing through the world atlas and history books.

What these governments have had in common can be summarized in a single word – independence … independence from American foreign policy; the refusal to be a client state of Washington; the refusal to be continuously hostile to Washington’s Officially Designated Enemies; insufficient respect and zeal for the capitalist way of life.


Since the end of World War 2, the United States has:

Attempted to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments, most of which were democratically-elected.
Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.
Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.
Attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movement in 20 countries.
Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries.4
Plus … although not easily quantified … more involved in the practice of torture than any other country in the world … for over a century … not just performing the actual torture, but teaching it, providing the manuals, and furnishing the equipment.


Full article: http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/11/the-deadly-ongoing-role-of-the-us-in-the-middle-east-and-beyond/#more-60317

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
10. Bernie always on the correct side of history.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:50 AM
Feb 2016

A decade later there was the Contras. To this day the CIA interfering in elections and causing instability throughout the world. Doesnt matter who the president is their corruption never changes.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
11. His position today would be more nuanced, would it not?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:21 AM
Feb 2016

Root & branch reform of the entire national insecurity apparatus would be appropiate.

Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
37. Absolutely right...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:44 PM
Feb 2016

I wasn't thinking of a way to defeat Sanders, just thinking of how to handle it if he wins the primary. I'm a huge fan of plan A, B, and C. Hillary is plan A. Sanders is plan B. Moving to Mexico is my plan C.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
15. Oh geeze, will Hillary try and use this against him? I hope so, then she can have another Kissinger
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:41 AM
Feb 2016

moment. lol

Good on Bernie, what we have done around the world through the CIA has been
criminal.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
18. Fabulous! Another reason to love Bernie.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:11 PM
Feb 2016

Some say spying is necessary. I disagree. I think our foreign policy should be plain and open.
The CIA has done some incredibly horrible things.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
28. Were you alive in the 70's? -- The CIA was doing a lot heinous things
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:01 PM
Feb 2016

It was widely perceived as being way out of bounds. Maybe it should not have been abolished -- but it sure needed to be shaken up.

Nanjeanne

(4,960 posts)
35. Jeremy Bash - the floater of this latest meme runs the consulting firm that advises Hillary, Cruz
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:24 PM
Feb 2016

and Rubio.

also . . . Lindsey Graham, Jeb Bush and Carly Fiorina

Beacon Global Strategies consults for military contractors including foreign arms deals. But won't name their clients.

https://theintercept.com/2015/12/18/beacon-global-strategies/

What great people Clinton surrounds herself with.

moondust

(19,991 posts)
41. They were out of control.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:45 PM
Feb 2016

In the early 80s I actually turned down an internship at the CIA because I didn't trust them or the Reagan administration they worked for. No telling what they might force you to do once they have you trapped "behind the curtain" so deep that you can't get out.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
43. NSA, too. Good idea, if you love democracy.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:20 PM
Feb 2016

And the Constitution.

The late Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) explained why in 1975. A patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American, the guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:

“That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”


-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, of course, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.



And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy? He got the Treatment.

In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committee’s responsibility for Welch’s death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.

SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1


From GWU's National Security Archives:



"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.

Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era

Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations


National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted – September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 – During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).

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Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]

SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/



I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT) also got the treatment from NSA? He was about the last Liberal Republican brave enough to make waves.

“I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up.” — Senator Richard Schweiker on “Face the Nation” in 1976.

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