2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Wanted to Abolish the CIA
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-cia-219451#ixzz40uBBm7ai
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Woot! Love this. Thanks for posting!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bernie!!
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)And still isn't.
cali
(114,904 posts)Or don't you agree that the CIA has committed heinous crimes?
Human101948
(3,457 posts)http://www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_countries_the_u_s_has_backed_international_crime_partner/
Mapped: The 7 Governments the U.S. Has Overthrown
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/20/mapped-the-7-governments-the-u-s-has-overthrown/
CIA: The Rogue Agency Puts On A Global Horror Show
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=9034
polly7
(20,582 posts)Full article: http://johnpilger.com/articles/from-pol-pot-to-isis-the-blood-never-dried
Anti-Empire Report #140
by William Blum / November 3rd, 2015
Are you confused by the Middle East? Here are some things you should know. (But youll probably still be confused.)
-The first example of this was in 1979 when the United States began covert operations in Afghanistan, six months before the Russians arrived, promoting Islamic fundamentalism across the southern tier of the Soviet Union against godless communism. All the al-Qaeda/Taliban shit then followed.
-In addition to Afghanistan, the United States has provided support to Islamic militants in Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya, the Caucasus, and Syria.
-The United States overthrew the secular governments of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya and is trying to do the same with Syria, thus giving great impetus to the rise of ISIS. Said Barack Obama in March of this year: ISIS is a direct outgrowth of al-Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion. Which is an example of unintended consequences. Which is why we should generally aim before we shoot.1
What these governments have had in common can be summarized in a single word independence independence from American foreign policy; the refusal to be a client state of Washington; the refusal to be continuously hostile to Washingtons Officially Designated Enemies; insufficient respect and zeal for the capitalist way of life.
Attempted to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments, most of which were democratically-elected.
Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.
Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.
Attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movement in 20 countries.
Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries.4
Plus although not easily quantified more involved in the practice of torture than any other country in the world for over a century not just performing the actual torture, but teaching it, providing the manuals, and furnishing the equipment.
Full article: http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/11/the-deadly-ongoing-role-of-the-us-in-the-middle-east-and-beyond/#more-60317
dchill
(38,502 posts)TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)Can't stand up to the MIC. No wonder the deck is so heavily stacked against him.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,840 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)A decade later there was the Contras. To this day the CIA interfering in elections and causing instability throughout the world. Doesnt matter who the president is their corruption never changes.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Root & branch reform of the entire national insecurity apparatus would be appropiate.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)to be lost in GOP attacks
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)You can't criticize the people who ginned up the WMDs!
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Skid Rogue
(711 posts)But this is the type of crap they'll swiftboat him with.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Fortunately, it will never get to that point.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Skid Rogue
(711 posts)I wasn't thinking of a way to defeat Sanders, just thinking of how to handle it if he wins the primary. I'm a huge fan of plan A, B, and C. Hillary is plan A. Sanders is plan B. Moving to Mexico is my plan C.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)moment. lol
Good on Bernie, what we have done around the world through the CIA has been
criminal.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Some say spying is necessary. I disagree. I think our foreign policy should be plain and open.
The CIA has done some incredibly horrible things.
Autumn
(45,106 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)The NSA and CIA have done nothing good for the US.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)CIA on Campus
http://www.namebase.org/campus.html
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)I've heard a politician say in ages.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It was widely perceived as being way out of bounds. Maybe it should not have been abolished -- but it sure needed to be shaken up.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,960 posts)and Rubio.
also . . . Lindsey Graham, Jeb Bush and Carly Fiorina
Beacon Global Strategies consults for military contractors including foreign arms deals. But won't name their clients.
https://theintercept.com/2015/12/18/beacon-global-strategies/
What great people Clinton surrounds herself with.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)you seem to think this noble goal is a negative one!
moondust
(19,991 posts)In the early 80s I actually turned down an internship at the CIA because I didn't trust them or the Reagan administration they worked for. No telling what they might force you to do once they have you trapped "behind the curtain" so deep that you can't get out.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)And the Constitution.
The late Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) explained why in 1975. A patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American, the guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, of course, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy? He got the Treatment.
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
From GWU's National Security Archives:
"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.
Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era
Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr
Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).
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Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]
SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/
I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT) also got the treatment from NSA? He was about the last Liberal Republican brave enough to make waves.
I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up. Senator Richard Schweiker on Face the Nation in 1976.
Lost to History NOT