Nothing to do with "establishment." Or wagons.

than anyone on either side in the history of the nh primary. so they both have something to be happy about.

but there is no doubt in my mind that tptb do not want bernie to be at that convention. if things go badly for hillary legally, they do not want to have to nominate him. they want to plug in their own person.

of course, it could turn out that hillary has no further legal issues. but the power brokers are leaving nothing to chance imo

First, it's hinged on the perennial (two decades now?) fantasy that federal marshals are about to lead Hillary away in handcuffs, or at least serve her with indictments for various felonies. If you really believe that, I've got an pair of Illuminatis to sell you, 2 for just the price of 1!

However, have you been hearing the name of a third politician who'd seemingly be more popular and have a better chance of being elected to the White House than Bernie?

and i certainly don't want that unless her actions warrant it. as to any other names, i agree with you that bernie and hillary are pretty much it.

however, the few times i dare to peek at msm, there is always some hi falutin gasbag trying to float the idea that if there were to be an issue, they would have to "draft" someone else, as if bernie is not an acceptable candidate. i am sure he is unacceptable to tptb, which is why i am open to the possibility that they want one of their puppets in the wh (in the event hillary stepped away) rather than deal with bernie.

and as fantastical as it might sound, i really believe the money people try to prepare for every contingency. they are rabid about protecting their wealth. and if it means i have to wear one of these for now, well then that's the way it is.

i have an extra hat, if you would like one ....

and popcorn!

are ALL supporting GOP candidates. Yes, a much smaller number of extremely wealthy people hope for a Democratic president, but not one of them is the type you describe. Not a single one. Some of those giving half their wealth away are.

Please keep the hat handy. Seriously, I've never taken sedatives or antidepressants, but I've actually thought of hitting my DIL up for some of her friends' Xanax or whatever if the GOP somehow (like election theft) took the presidency.

I'll join you in the popcorn, though. The GOP is bizarrely mesmerizing, even if the story is ridiculously improbable.

way to keep connections open, but the real campaign investment goes to the specifically pro-business/anti-regulation candidates. These days they are all GOP.

The Democratic Party does not draw the serious investment, and please note that this goes for ALL typical Democratic candidates. Some shamefully sell influence, yes, and here and there an especially accommodating person is running under the Democratic label because of some advantage, but the monitarily ambitious know the GOP is where the money is at.

How could it be otherwise? These days one party serves the wealthy literally as a matter of principle and ideology. Those who didn't agree enough were mostly run out of office; and for the rest, going along to get along happily coincides with virtue and patriotism.

and certainly most predatory capitalists are republican, even if ala romney and are not super "conservative" on anything but money. i agree with you there

i do hope you and all of us are able to get through this with our wits intact. i am trying to desensitize myself by occasionally saying "president trump" so it won't be a complete shock all at once.

i can't even imagine what awaits us all in the coming months of this weird election. but i think i will keep this handy, cuz, well ya never know!

money? They want to control the message. They have the Clinton-Corp-media on their side. It's not surprising that the propaganda blasted out by the Clinton-Media doesnt convince some voters.

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

What is kind of odd is all of the OPs concerning the GE, here in the GD-PRIMARIES section.
You know, the OPs designed to try and get us to accept that Hillary has already been awarded the nomination and we have to swear to vote for her.

Shouldn't there be a GD-GE?

and yes, its all part of the psyops of the clinton regime and their minions...to try and subliminally trick us into thinking that its already hers.

kind of like that inevitability balloon that has been popped several times already...

Let them waste their energy

...that's the only way he's leaving, I would guess.

first, he will have enough delegates to be competitive all the way. but the elite is trying to wait him out. they are stalling on any legal action until bernie is out of the way. except that he is not leaving to make it easy for them to nominate one of their cronies.

they are kind of in a touh spot now, but its one of their own making.

...this isn't even a real issue

...what the hell's the matter with you?

...and the caustic way you address me.

Don't bother to answer. I'm done listening to you.

Nobody's listening anymore.

too old for the job
from an all white state and was racist and did not support POC and had never done supported POC, Well that was in the past, Well no POC would ever support him, no POC ever attend his gatherings only white people.
He is sexist, no women could ever support someone like him.
He has no support from anyone but the sexist "Bernie Bros"

and the list from the another group goes on

Oh I don't forget being called "only ignorant white trailer trash idiot"

...I'm not here for the vindictive, backbiting, navel-gazing.

are a group of individuals, and not some kind of collective. What one or two or three or even forty Hillary supporters might say is simply NOT the responsibility of the rest of the Hillary supporters, much less the Clinton campaign, although that campaign might be sending out talking points.

...I'm not here for this bullshit.

back Sanders all the way - just as I do,

on the list of establishment picks. the only reason i mentioned her is because no doubt the establishment would want an olive branch to try and win back progressives that they pissed off.

but she is very unlikely imo to want to be part of such an undemocratic and sleazy process, she would want to be voted in by the people not the party elites.

...do you really think the DNC would pick Warren?

No, they'd probably throw Kerry back in the ring...

That's why Bernie must, and will, stay in until the convention.

to do with the DNC. They are probably too much controlled by the Corporate Power people for her
taste. She is for the people, not for the corporations. She and Bernie are like two peas in a pod.

Of course Clinton is trying to beat Sanders. And of course Sanders is trying to beat Clinton. I don't understand this reflexive need to denigrate one side or the other for trying to win the nomination. Trash-talking each other is just part of the process.

Do the tactics from either side sometimes edge into the 'unfair' column? Sure. Big deal. Neither campaign is burglarizing the offices of the other or flattening bus tires. Anything short of that is just politics. Between two politicians.
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The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

Much complaining about nothing here.

Why denigrate Clinton for trying to win a nomination? The level of poutrage boggles the mind.

candidate who doesn't suckle at Wall Street tits?

Why cheer a candidate who lies almost as often as Trump and have advocated mass incarceration of blacks?

And why so thin skinned on behalf of said woman who have no quarrels about the 3.2 million Iraqis killed by AMERICAN policies since 1991?

If you and your candidate can't handle the dirty TRUTH about your corporate candidate, how will you handle the GOP smear machine?

Bernie Sanders has his firewall. How will you withstand Trumps attacks on Hillary being his employee and just as corrupt as her fellow republicans?
Face it! Hillary is a DINO! An impostor who have sold out the party to Wall Street! And you are her accomplices by voting for her!
The same thing goes for the millions of dead people caused by your vote and your tax dollars. OWN UP TO IT!

Kind regards
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A veteran who appreciates free speech
and the revolutionary act of telling the truth

I was curious as to why the poster feels the need to denigrate Hillary?

Clearly I don't agree with you about the DINO silliness. But, more power to your candidate. Lift him up as much as you want but don't spew right wing garbage about Hillary. If Sanders is seen as the best candidate by the Democrats, then he will get the nomination. Right now it doesn't look good for him. I expect as he continues to slip we will see more lashing out at Hillary with right wing garbage.

and more to do with the collusion of others,such as the dem party and the msm, both of which should be neutral and not propping up one candidate.

and if said candidate does need so much underpinning support to win a nomination, that makes a very bad case for electability in a ge.

and if hillarys legal troubles become a real issue, no doubt in my mind the elite hacks would want bernie to have conveniently dropped out before the convention so they are free to plug in their puppet of choice.

this is less about hillary running her campaign and more about the despicable and rigged process others have willingly engaged in to try and cement their own interests at the expense of the rest of us.

and that win will be by Clinton.

Electoral math is with her as was Dem Primary math

I agree about the RW garbage. That part of her well-documented history up to the present, is not "spewing garbage", unless you believe it is untrue. If so, that would be appropriate to address and to defend her.

She is admittedly a War Hawk and and went from Goldwater Girl to Goldman Sachs Candidate. I see a lot of Republican in that right there. War makes a lot of money for her colleagues at the Banking Trough.

that makes it 'right wing garbage.
Is that your statement?

It's garbage.

GD-P stinks like a pit of rotting garbage when it comes to accusations regarding Hillary. It's truly sickening what is being spewed about her. It is certainly not "truth".

It's about integrity. You can compete without compromising your character and hurting innocent people in the process. That some choose not to speaks volumes.

She has shown us, with startling clarity, who she is. I believe her.

You really telling people to not take her at her word? It's just "politics?" She's not going to earn votes that way, there's a difference between politicking and leadership, we ain't stupid. We see it. In the GE, likeability and trustworthiness are key factors. She lacks both of them, thanks to her "trash talk."

This is not a football game.

If it's through chicanery and trickery...all bets are off.

Sure, most politicians lie, but that doesn't make it right. Maybe if we held politicians to a higher moral standard, things would improve.

Scorched-earth in a primary is a very bad idea. You might beat your opponent in the primary, but you need your opponent's supporters to win the general.

And scorched-earth is far beyond "trash talk".

It's still politics and once the primary is ended, most will have forgotten the 'he-said/she-said' gossip and finger-pointing. I have enough faith in democracy that I feel sure we'll coalesce around the nominee, whoever it is.

The same may not be true for true-believers on DU, however, but everyone has a choice to make.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

Oh wait...they didn't.

Remember when Sanders hired Brock to throw shit at Clinton as fast as possible?

Oh wait....got the candidate's names backwards.

Remember when Sanders was introduced by someone saying Clinton voters were going to hell?

Oops!! Got the names backwards again.

Remember how Sanders constantly bashes Seniors for wanting "free stuff"?

Oh wait...that's Clinton and Millennials.

But someone saying something you don't like on a message board....yes, that's absolutely the same thing.

That was certainly the case with NBC news last night. Their reporting attempted to convince viewers that it was over for Senator Sanders. MSM=BS

and i feel better for it. if not for my SO, i would have cut the cord long ago. only one or two channels i watch (diy type,stuff) and i could live without it.

"hillary's legal trouble is not over". What legal troubles?

the investigstion into both her server and her foundation, and the 150+ fbi agents still investigsting are likely to require some further legal action. its just my guess, but this has not gone away. and if she has to address any legal concerns, how convenient it would be for the party elites if bernie is dropped out and they can plug in their puppet of choice.

too bad he is not going to make it that easy for them. if hillarys legal issues amount to nothing, then the convention and nominating process will proceed as normal.

Bernie's supporters don't understand :There is no there there".

enjoy the show

His nomination will ruin and cripple the GOP for a generation.

The "dems" you describe, with the proportions you imagine, aren't Democrats at all and do not exist out in the real world in the same proportions that they're found here at this watering-hole.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

who plans to sit out this election, although i am sure there are those on both sides who might.

Why vote for HRC who can't beat Trump and then blame his winning on people not voting for her? Those consequences you spoke of will be YOUR FAULT for not backing the candidate who can beat him.

We Sanders supporters aren't going to be the punching bag for that. We're doing everything we can to nominate the guy who can beat him. Bernie beats every Repub in national polls.

This Young Turks video explains it in detail "Bernie Sanders Is Beating Everyone"

Nobody mentions this, even though it is the only actual fact of the primaries.

It cracks me up how they count these margin of error matchups as a "win". Well, if it makes them feel good, but the delegate count is neck and neck.

Spin. Continuing to hammer that lie that Bernie in "unelectable", when the TRUTH IS Hillary is unelectable.

In national polls, she loses to all Repubs, in the same polls Bernie beats all Repubs. It isn't even close. His only problem is the primary, not the general election. She is the reverse.

I guess we'll see how many Dems can learn and vote on the facts.

most people,rely on the peoples media now (social media)

thats where the truth is.

of electing anybody outside the machine's grasp.

The internet and direct voter funding are changing the landscape.

There have been 3 contests. She won one by a little, He won one by a LOT and one was basically a tie.

It's not the blowout they want you to believe it is.

and if you count the number of threads to the effect of "its over for bernie, might as well coalesce behind hillary now," you will see that the " paranoid" description might be inaccurate

MSM is no longer the force it once was - young people and the interweb (love using that moniker)
have his back

5 million supporters and we will be heard at the convention------------------this isn't some coronation by the MSM or of the Third Way business as usual------------------nope it not going to happen.

The people want to see those Goldman Sachs transcripts Hillary, before the convention -----------------that's all we ask--------------the people want to see them , because your organization is circling the wagons-------------your lack of transparency says it all ---------------it's lacking.

Oh, by the way, there is one very important question that you have never really answered, would you or would you not re-open the disastrous "trade deals" in the first 100 days in your office " IF " you get elected?

That is a fair question---------because everything is about economics and I mean everything, you said everything else except that ----------------why? We have heard the flip flop---------give us a definitive flip or flop on that important issue.


Honk-------------------for a political revolution Bernie

if she gets there at all, and that is still a very open question.

Jeez Bernsters get a grip before your paranoia takes total control!

we are entitled to see the Goldman Sachs and Bank of America transcripts, because just for the record, I think along with 5 million others in the Sanders supporter camp and the voting population as a whole feel that her conversations with these yahoo's will determine a lot of factors.

I guess in my state of paranoia .......................this particular reporter was paranoid .....when he wrote about this one particluar firm

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405

I keep going back and thinking of what this firm did in 2001-2009 and beyond like Greece , Spain, Iceland (I know, and I have an idea, lets put blinders on like it never happened, that's the ticket) and now we have a candidate going to the same firm(s) in 2013 -2014 and giving speeches, that's comforting to know-------------it must be my ...................



We are asking for accountability on those transcripts its not much to ask, unless you have a paranoia inside your organization, its real simple ---------and you know the trust thing and what her business plan is going to be like if she gets elected, she says one thing and did the other---------------I know it's must be my ----------------------



http://www.ibtimes.com/pressure-grows-hillary-clinton-release-goldman-sachs-speech-transcripts-2315861

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-pressure-grows-on-hillary-clinton-to-release-goldman-sachs-speeches-2016-2

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pressure-grows-on-hillary-clinton-to-release-goldman-sachs-speeches-1279344

(Just for record Sanders said he would release ALL of his videos and transcripts)


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/02/08/hillary_clinton_won_t_release_transcripts_of_her_paid_goldman_sachs_speeches.html


And, it seems to be a typical response from the Clintonites to throw the word paranoia around ---------------------not a good tactic, when the facts speak for themselves----------------why is she stonewalling?

And below is even a better one on the paranoia side---------------"trade deals" since she likes to flip and flop




http://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/21/latest-hillary-emails-show-her-private-support-for-trade-deals-she-publicly-opposed/


So have a nice day...........................it's not personel

Honk---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

this point. Since they can be trusted about as much as a magician telling his audience he really did saw a woman in half, I have to assume they have an ulterior motive - or several. But I think this one is a safe bet:

The sooner it's a forgone conclusion that Hillary will win the nod, the sooner they can and will go on the attack. Expect to hear talking heads non-stop dredging up Benghazi, e-mails, Whitewater, the obscene amounts she was paid for speeches, and new revelations about the content of those speeches from people who were in the room. Anything to undermine her, and it won't be subtle. Expect to see interviews with Monica Lewinsky and assorted others Bill cheated on her with under the guise of lifestyle pieces on "getting on with your life after an affair with a married man" or some such bullshit. Nothing will be off the table. There will be constant reminders that Hillary Clinton is tainted, and she'll go into the fall thorougly beat up by the media as well as the Republicans, who will pile it on mercilessly.

No doubt Hillary is tough and she's heard it all before and is still standing. Since she offers nothing but a continuation of the status quo, however, and millions of Democrats prefer Bernie, how can she put together a winning coalition when the meda demonizes her, the Bernie voters remain unenthusiastic, she's a tough sell to Independents, and Republicans hate her with a burning passion? How does this equate to victory? The DNC is betting on an injured racehorse laden down with baggage miraculously winning the race. Good luck with that.

The ONLY WAY to challenge and beat the establishment is to turn out numbers sufficient to overcome the propaganda from all arms of the establishment AND the whole of their capabilities for manipulation of the vote at the ballot box.

except to their donors, of course.....

nomination for the real hacks of the Dem party. It's probably decided already.

but the backlash will be too much even for them,

no one like Sanders, to my knowledge, has ever come anywhere near challenging the establishment as he has done. If someone had told me, even a few years ago, that a democratic socialist would be a real challenger in a National democratic primary for President... I would probably have laughed. I would have said that we are too conservative of a Nation for that, that the elites would never allow it - that the democratic socialist would be laughed off the stage.

The really is no precedent for this. It's hard to say what the establishment will do, given the money/influence/power/control that the financial institutions and corporations have over our elections... and their ties to the Clintons. Also, we have to consider the fact that Sanders is unabashedly anti-billionaire, anti-big corporation, that he is not a friend to big money... and big money knows it.

I love Sanders and what he represents, he certainly represents my own ideals, my own philosophies and thoughts on how things should be (or at least could be) done. Those in the halls of power though, do not like him very much. He is a threat to their way of life, to their extreme wealth, to the peddling of influence, soft money, hard money... Citizens United - the list goes on.

What can money buy in this Country? What would it take for one group or another to hack the voting machines? What would it take for the super delegates to turn against the general populace? Will they risk a Sanders Presidency hoping that the obstructionists in Congress and the Senate will prevent any real reform? Or, will what Sanders represents scare them into something illegal and/or stupid?

Who knows. Me though, I don't think any amount of backlash will be too much for them, Sanders threatens the corrupt machine that has been decades in the making. What this means for us?

We'll just have to fight harder, work harder to get out the vote, fight the best damned political fight we can, stick to the truth, to policies... and be there to counter lies, smear campaigns and corruption. I've never been energized like this for any campaign before, I'm ready to go, I'm pumped, I'm feeling the Bern.

We can do this, we can win, this race is still up for grabs - and if we win, I firmly believe, we will finally have the chance (not the certainty, but at least the chance) to begin to change things here, and in the world at large. It's up to all of us to work for it... and I have faith that we have the courage and the strength to do so. This political revolution does not begin and/or end with Sanders, it is up to all of us to represent ourselves, to stand for truth, for integrity, for compassion, for social and economic justice.

I also feel that I have waited for a 'real' candidate who reflects my beliefs, and that goes back to remembering Truman. Actually, when I think about it, there were many politicians that had ideas like Bernie back in the 50s, but they never would get to a presidential nomination. The reason being the tax rates and job outlooks were far more equitable. The complete unbalance in our society is driving this situation that may allow Bernie a shot at being the next FDR. I can only hope!

It is sort of like in the Senate where you need 60 votes, not 51, to win on a bill. The primary scale is tipped to the establishment candidate. That's why Hillary has a lot of confidence.

The good news is that the super delegates aren't "bound". They can and do change their votes as the election dynamic changes. A lot of them are band wagoners, who will switch if necessary to be on board with the eventual nominee. Many did, to Hillary's dismay, when Barack Obama started to win in 2008.

Superdelegates came to be because of not wanting to get blown out like we did with McGovern. McGovern, like Bernie, promised folks the moon. Then when the general election came McGovern only won MA and DC. It was a horrible loss that sent us on the RWNJ path for decades. The Dems had to move right for survival. That's right survival.

however, it is very different populace today. Today we mostly agree on things like universal healthcare, raising the minimum wage, enabling people to go to college and get a higher education. I believe that any political party that is going to survive in the years to come will have no choice but to move left. Things have happened in the last few decades that were once thought to be impossible. Things have happened in the last couple centuries that were once thought to be impossible.

I don't believe Bernie is promising the moon - I believe he represents a promise of change, if we are willing to work for it. I believe his goals are noble, inspired, compassionate - and necessary, for our society to thrive. You don't motivate people by offering them slow, tiny, incremental bits of progress, it just doesn't work. You motivate them by showing them what they can get, what they can have, if they will stand up and fight for it. That is what I believe Sanders is doing, showing us that we can have something better.

For far too long, nominees, candidates, Presidents... politicians alike, have largely ignored the poor as if we were some kind of plague. They have either been ignorant of the fact (or did not care) that in order to strengthen an economy or society such as ours, you must build from the bottom up. Trickle down, demonstrated over and over and over again... does not work. However, if you give people jobs, (rebuilding our infrastructure, which is desperately needed, would do that) a chance at getting through college without a mountain of crippling debt... the promise that, if they get sick or injured, there will be a system in place to care for them... you do that, you invest in, put your faith and your money in the masses, and you get one hell of a return.

Consider how much money goes back into our economy for every dollar spent on food stamps, on welfare, on so many programs that help those of us who don't have much. There is a difference between a hand out and a hand up, Republicans have never understood this - and sadly, neither do many democrats.

The things Sanders is talking about are entirely realistic and possible, in fact, I believe they are inevitable, if our society is to survive or thrive in the years to come. It's time for some democratic socialism, because capitalism is broken, our government is broken - and the system has become almost hopelessly corrupt.

As I've said many times here before... it's not giving out free stuff, it's passing progressive tax legislation to bring about greater economic and social justice - and equality. Plenty of first world Countries have done what Sanders wants to do, it CAN be done here, just as the ACA was passed, we can get a single payer system. Just as we once decided to fund a public education system, we can fund one which includes higher education - a kind of higher education that is available to all of us.

It will be a hell of a lot harder to build from the bottom up, a hell of a lot harder to do things the way Sanders wants to do them... but we can do it - and it should be done.

It feels like this is the "last best chance" for a "grass-roots" candidate's effort to win. If he doesn't, the DNC will do everything they can to see that this never happens again so that they may protect their preferred candidate(s). They already changed the rules mid-stream this time. It makes one wonder what comes after "grass-roots" (anti-establishment) peaceful activism dies?

So much for we the people.

It succeeded and we got Nixon.

Hillary and her minions/overlords are trying their best to 'break' Bernie using any means at their disposal, many of those means underhanded. They may succeed with that.

But in doing so they are alienating many, many voters.

Many of those voters, under normal circumstances, would have been voting 'D' in November. They may not now. Many I have spoken with are still very hopeful, but are also pretty much fed up and do not know if they will even go to the polls.

Many new voters this year are engaged, enthusiastic and very motivated. All they are seeing is a dirty tricks campaign, and most of them now coming from the 'D' side of the house. I suspect that many will just turn around and walk away, convinced that there is really nothing that will succeed in changing this corrupt course our country is on.

Besides the obvious threat to electing a 'D' to the White House, this could very easily translate into a catastrophe for State and Congressional races. We have lost so much at the local and state levels and the DNC does not really seem to care (I point specifically to the leadership disaster being provided by DWS). This is the one area the GOP has really gotten right over the years, the DNC...Not at all. We will pay for this failure for a long, long time.

with following the scorched earth policy they seem to favor.

or substitute someone else

I've donated three times so far.

He is what the Democratic party is supposed to be ...
not Reep-lite with a slight lean to the social left
like Obama and Clinton.

jail is not going to happen.

"...drive Bernie out." If Bernie wins, I'll vote for him. Take a few deep breaths, the nomination process has barely started.

Hillary has had the advantage all along. It makes me proud.

Ok...

Bernie will have the delegates he wins as we go along. He will come to the convention with whatever he wins just like Hillary will. Don't loose site of how it works just because you think Bernie won't win.

He has an enormous donor database they are salivating after. He has votes. He has supporters, true believers who aren't bought and sold.

No way he goes anywhere anytime soon. He will do what he wants.

Or can people at least start using it in a proper context instead of "indeterminate other"?

i am happy to substitute other terminology

Am I right?

to drop out before even 10% of the delegates have been awarded. the msm is basically saying this is over with 51 dels each. that is insane.

not to mention the gazillion comments here that its over by super tuesday.

but if you prefer reading,

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/22/us/politics/delegate-count-leaving-bernie-sanders-with-steep-climb.html?_r=0

they are pushing the superdelegate inevitability idea. its not cable, but its msm i think we can agree.

Where does it say he should get out of the race?

as in "bernie needs to drop out now!"

but by painting the alternative as an absolute certainty, they might as well just come out and say it.

and they will be explicitly saying it after super tuesday (which is well before the convention)

feel free to bookmark this

...about all the posts saying Hillary couldn't win against the Republican field, while Bernie could? I mean, they didn't EXPLICITLY say she should quit.....(actually, some of them did)

Critical analysis isn't bad, just because it's about a candidate you happen to like.

I just started a new op pointing out the lies of the msm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511310008

and i agree with you that the threads about bernie being more electable in a ge could be interpreted as encouragement for her to drop out. but since she has always been the frontrunner and he has always been the underdog, i think that reality has to be considered as well.

But, yeah, the criminal indictment that's been hanging over Clinton's head like a sword of Damocles is scheduled to happen sometime in October so it can be a nice little pre-election surprise.

The party and the media have their own polling, and imo it will show how irreplaceable the voters who lean to Sanders are. Secretary Clinton, and her establishment allies, had to do anything to change the story after New Hampshire (so they sharpened their knives). The larger reality of electability hasn't changed a bit afaik, even though the Clinton campaign's fortunes look brighter.

We're at the point where a dramatic push back can happen. To some extent, it's inevitable. How extreme it will be is up to those who sharpened the aforementioned knives, and their next moves.

And this is 2016, it's not mostly about the message from campaign headquarters. It's also about the voters who are involved, and their relationship to the tools of mass communication.

Interesting times ahead.