2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDemocrats look to copy Sanders' success They're stunned at the surge in support for 'The Bern.'
2/22/2016
They havent endorsed him, and many think he doesnt stand a chance to win. Theyre overwhelmingly supporting Hillary Clinton. Yet Democrats are in awe of their schlumpy, old colleague Bernie Sanders.
Hill Democrats are scrambling to figure out how they can capture some of Sanders magic and his ability to conjure up campaign cash, seemingly out of thin air, from an apparently endless stream of supporters.
Theyre also stunned by how The Bern has tapped into the zeitgeist of college-age voters, a key demographic for the party in a presidential election year. That surge of support is something Democrats havent witnessed since the glory days of Barack Obama back in 2008.
The fundraising base is phenomenal. You cant ignore that. You can say that winning a primary is ephemeral. But that funding base millions of people willing to donate, more than Obama. Wow, thats something amazing, Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) said.
Sanders campaign raked in more than $6 million in the 24 hours after his crushing victory in the New Hampshire primary earlier this month. Sanders is fundraising on a par with Clinton, a development that has stunned the Democratic establishment and provided him the financial muscle for a drawn-out struggle with her for the presidential nomination. Success like that is something party leaders cant ignore, even if they reject the messenger.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/sanders-and-house-democrats-219430#ixzz40uHFlr3O
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Instead we will get clever speech lines that will be forgotten after election day.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)DUHville.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)bandwagon or sit on the sidelines. They are clueless.
They imagine that after they put some of Bernie's ideas through the deflavorizing machine, that our wallets will open to them.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Buy he's still too angry. lol
They have manufactured messages for so long, I guess as you say, they remain clueless.
Authenticity escapes them.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)I think that they are suspicious of authenticity. They view it as an even more devious form of manipulation.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Truth equals magic..maybe they'll get that soon so we can stop losing so many
Democratic races.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Words losing meaning after constant spinning. Damn that is one brilliant post.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)They value winning above all, but can't quite remember what they were trying to win, or why.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I know...
"The glory days of Obama"????
How about Kennedy? How about FDR?????
Clueless is right!
Hydra
(14,459 posts)They want a way to get mountains of corporate cash while still having the base enthusiastically support everything they do.
Obama was supposed to lead them to that promised land of perfect(false) image creating the unity under their (not very) benevolent rule.
If I could ever think of a better vision of dystopia...
jwirr
(39,215 posts)on the sidelines but instead have endorsed Bernie. And when you look at their web sites you find out they also agree with him.
These people will be the ones I donate to personally.
It is amazing that they have been selling us out for over 30 years and they expect us to support them? I realize it took us a long time to wake up but now that we are awake we are going to stay that way.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)as best I can.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)A great article on this phenomenon~
Establishment Democrats Missing the Moment And the Point
Jefferson23
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The longer they blame those losses mostly on gerrymandering the more we'll lose.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)chose from, with liberal values only making an appearance during campaigns & then always tempered with "no new taxes" & no welfare for the poor, and no we don't want the dreaded "big govt" either, there's no reason to vote, for many people. No one represents them, so they are the apathetic non-voters....
Why bother? is right up there with the problem of gerrymandering.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)enough, raise enough money so he can get that message out. But you're right and
disaffected voters span so many demographics...we just have to keep trying.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)I missed this one, thanks.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Reminds me that I need to catch up on my Colbert.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)for 40 years.
Their idea that they can just copy some fucking "magic" is the whole problem with their whole shitty, crappy, fake, useless, unproductive, shallow party mechanism.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)opportunistic. And they have the nerve to wonder why Hillary isn't running away with the nomination?? Jesus Christ on a crutch.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)lone voices who is not corrupt.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
Phonies need not apply ...
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Ignoring that it's a response to that message thingy, they are puzzled about how to capture that magic.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)fault him for being too angry. lol They are devoid of how real his message is about the
corruption that prevents any movement to resolve significant issues.
They still look at him as orchestrating a message, as opposed to what he has always
done, tell the truth.
merrily
(45,251 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Assuming Sanders becomes Potus, they will continue the slant well after New Deal 11 is implemented...the same thing happened with FDR. It's the ideology stupid.
Positive overall coverage did not really start until Dec 8, 1941. Before that it was...well...curious of course, some papers back then did not hide they were pro republican. These days I feel media should go back to tje 60s, tje closest we came to a somewhat neutral, just the facts ma'am media
Rocky the Leprechaun
(222 posts)Steps to join Bernie's Army (and success)
1) Quit your loyalty to the current administration of Democratic National Party
2) Join Bernie Sanders, and fully endorse him enthusiastically and back him up 100%
3) Set up your recurring donation for Bernie via Act Blue
4) Order your Bernie swag, and put it all over in public.
5) Be honest and do not overdo the public when promising change. Keep it realistic.
6) Most importantly, enjoy yourself, be yourself and have fun!
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...is a nation that will elect a better Congress and better state legislators.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)I hope he tells certain colleagues to go....
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)But they're just looking at the "ka'ching" and wondering how they can pretend to care so they can make some of that easy money from the dumbasses out here.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)lol
vi5
(13,305 posts)They want to use his success not copy it. Copying it would require changes and obviously change (or as some would say "progress" is not something the Democratic party is currently a big fan of.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Quit being republican lite third way corporate types, go hard populist instead....and not just the usual lip service variety other than with social issues.
The success of Bernie, and yes, the weird and misguided support for Trump should tell us that people are tired of the corporate control of both party machines.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
Mister Ed
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Once those political hacks learn to fake Sanders' sincerity, they'll have it made.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)is a troubling indictment of their ability to handle the economy. If they couldn't even predict the groundswell of frustration in working class people who are slipping off the edges of subsistence means they are not prepared with meaningful reforms.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)could pull it off? I doubt it, they thought they got rid of their only threat, Warren.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)A Conservative media bubble. Appearing on all those political hack talk shows that are made up of a majority of right wing panelists. Completely unreflective of the general population. I don't know if they are willfully stupid, or just fleeced by some status quo culture. Its almost could be compared to the Vatican City's relationship with Italy. It is evident when things like simple background criminal and mental checks should be required before buying a gun, which seemed obvious to the 85% - 95% of the American people (depending on what poll). Yet not just Republicans, but many Democrats as well, voted to quash that bill before it was even born.
They live in this "we know whats best for you all" They are all so afraid to break the bubble and actually just listen to the population. Bernie is the exception. Most just believe the tired old Washington memes of "its a Conservative country". Dems have been so pathetically frightened of Fox News scolding them on the air, even though despite 24/7 endless D bashing, the public has voted a Democrat as President two times in a row, and will most likely vote in another one. And many Ds have had to scramble with their own "I've evolved" on their sudden shock to find out that outside this bubble the public is actually in favor of gay marriage and legal weed.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)The answer is simple, which is probably why they want to look so hard for a different one. The "secret" is WORK FOR US.
And for reals, not just lip service.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)They should try to get passed the calculated demographics and segmentation stuff and try supporting at least a few things that people want.
The era of big brand is over. The era of transparency is here. If you can't be as transparent as Bernie then his methods won't work for you.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Why are they fighting it so hard? Just take the easy win!
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)How does anyone keep that position for so long and not produce accordingly? Amazing.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)Really simple
cali
(114,904 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)What they're extracting from the response Bernie has received is about as
cynical as Hillary's campaign.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...the article is about Congress members who want half-measures like Hillary Clinton does.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)It is amazing how stupid they are...they reveal, as you say..much more about themselves
than they intended.
Z_California
(650 posts)want to figure out how to be punk. Good luck with that!
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)are phony fucks. And creepy corporatists like Israel will never get Bernie's help. Tough shit.
Autumn
(45,106 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)it must be MAGIC. lol
Kall
(615 posts)will never get it.
Exactly. It's disgusting actually. The idea of veteran pols trying to figure out what kind of act to put on to grab a piece of grassroot funding... nauseating.
Red Oak
(697 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Many of us are. I've been a Democrat my whole life.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)concreteblue
(626 posts)It is not rocket science. And for $5000, you too can attend my seminar on how to " be like Bernie"
But for my friends on DU, i will give you the short version: dont lie. Dont sell out your principles. Dont take campaign $$ from people who expect anything from you that would mean compromising above.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Stop moving toward the right already! It's really simple.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)success speaks volumes to how out of touch they truly are.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I also hope this movement grows and expands to either hold them to it, or start replacing them.
Reinforce the Democrats that support progressive causes.
Primary the ones that don't out of office, and replace them with ones that do.
Use this energy to get out the vote in 2018 mid-terms and kick republicans out with Democrats.
I, for one, am quite pleased to see Senator Sanders moving the conversation to the left. I'm hoping for hope that this movement grows and expands past the presidential election.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Kall
(615 posts)pretty much write themselves, and show why they'll never "figure it out."
ellennelle
(614 posts)someone admits they're noticing the obvious!!
that last line just slays me:
Success like that is something party leaders cant ignore, even if they reject the messenger.
however, herein lies the rub, methinks. all the action is in the messenger. not in bernie, per se, but in his integrity and character.
you can't copy, borrow, or fake that. It is who he is, and you can't just wrap yourself in it like some cloak off the rack.
which is why hillary is struggling so badly. she reached for the cloak the way these quotables are considering as soon as she realized she was not inevitable. but it does not work. anyone paying attention gets it.
that money quote, tho, pivots on the first clause: SUCCESS LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING PARTY LEADERS CAN'T IGNORE.
hear hear! i second the emotion!
and they damn well better start paying attention.
ps. as an aside, i'd have to say that, given how long bernie gave his own odds when he embarked on this campaign, this admission in print on the part of party members is a TOTAL VICTORY, even if he were to hypothetically not win the nomination.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)The beauty is, they CAN'T copy it.
This is a perfect year for a genuine, liberal populist... wonder where we could find one?
Bad Thoughts
(2,524 posts)It should be easy to run as a liberal and still be more conservative than Sanders.
diane in sf
(3,913 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Those days are over!
stage left
(2,962 posts)They could start by telling the truth and finish by giving a damn.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)After all, DWS is doing such a splendid job!
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)them.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)How many seats have Democrats lost so far? How much longer are we
going to blame Republicans for these losses?
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I bet a lot of these are Super Delegates for her. Good luck assholes. I will NEVER give to them. ONLY Bernie.
Ino
(3,366 posts)Send out endless emails seriously demanding $1. Works for her!
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)Before you call the firing squad, hear me out!
Is it not obvious to them that people are sick and tired of the way they've been doing things? People have been talking about a need for a change in politics for years. Senator Sanders had the good sense to not only see this and tap into it, but to also "feel the Bern" himself rather than ignoring it like so many of his colleagues have done. Secretary Clinton and other Democrats would be wise to follow in his path.