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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:22 AM Feb 2016

Democrats look to copy Sanders' success They're stunned at the surge in support for 'The Bern.'

2/22/2016

They haven’t endorsed him, and many think he doesn’t stand a chance to win. They’re overwhelmingly supporting Hillary Clinton. Yet Democrats are in awe of their schlumpy, old colleague Bernie Sanders.

Hill Democrats are scrambling to figure out how they can capture some of Sanders’ magic — and his ability to conjure up campaign cash, seemingly out of thin air, from an apparently endless stream of supporters.

They’re also stunned by how “The Bern” has tapped into the zeitgeist of college-age voters, a key demographic for the party in a presidential election year. That surge of support is something Democrats haven’t witnessed since the glory days of Barack Obama back in 2008.

“The fundraising base is phenomenal. You can’t ignore that. You can say that winning a primary is ephemeral. But that funding base — millions of people willing to donate, more than Obama. Wow, that’s something amazing,” Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) said.

Sanders’ campaign raked in more than $6 million in the 24 hours after his crushing victory in the New Hampshire primary earlier this month. Sanders is fundraising on a par with Clinton, a development that has stunned the Democratic establishment and provided him the financial muscle for a drawn-out struggle with her for the presidential nomination. Success like that is something party leaders can’t ignore, even if they reject the messenger.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/sanders-and-house-democrats-219430#ixzz40uHFlr3O



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Democrats look to copy Sanders' success They're stunned at the surge in support for 'The Bern.' (Original Post) Jefferson23 Feb 2016 OP
Simple. Stop deferring to Goldman Sachs and other corporations... Human101948 Feb 2016 #1
Yea, the OP is good in that they see what is happening but at the same time they're still stuck in Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #2
Pretty funny. They imagine that we would give money to them when they either jump on the Hillary... virtualobserver Feb 2016 #10
Yes, they're focused on the dollar signs...and say at the same time his magic is something else. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #14
When you spin 24/7.....truth, lies? Those words lose their meaning. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #17
Yea, and it seems to go right over their head and have labeled his appeal as "magic". Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #20
They will only get it if Bernie overwhelmingly wins both the nomination and the GE n/t virtualobserver Feb 2016 #23
Now that is the kind of kick in the head I hope we can deliver for Bernie and for us. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #28
..they are suspicious of authenticity. They view it as an even more devious form of manipulation. snagglepuss Feb 2016 #44
It is as if the Democrats have amnesia....they have forgotten the point of it all. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #46
but can't quite remember what they were trying to win, or why. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #76
See, that's the "New Dem" thing Hydra Feb 2016 #109
Yeah, I have a notebook full of candidates who have not sat jwirr Feb 2016 #110
Recommend...! KoKo Feb 2016 #82
Thanks, Koko..how you be? Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #88
Working through the political ups and downs........ KoKo Feb 2016 #97
Shows the complete disconnect they have with their base. (with us) RiverLover Feb 2016 #3
Totally but at least the OP gives you a view into why we have lost so many seats. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #6
That's so important for people to realize. When we only have 2 corporate conservative parties to RiverLover Feb 2016 #27
Bernie is still behind in getting through to more disaffected voters and I hope we can work hard Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #32
Great article Rebkeh Feb 2016 #11
My pleasure, Rebkeh! It nails what's been happening. Its just not as funny as~ RiverLover Feb 2016 #24
^^^ Kittycat Feb 2016 #31
Lol, that was a great bit Rebkeh Feb 2016 #38
LOL Thanks, RiverLover. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #40
Whaaat's Haaaapppening? !!! passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #84
Excellent read. libdem4life Feb 2016 #99
They can't copy Bernie's success without having been progressives Nay Feb 2016 #4
Sad isn't it, they call it magic, all the guy is doing is telling the truth. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #7
It makes me grind my teeth. It's so condescending, fake and Nay Feb 2016 #15
Yes and they can't say, well he's new and a fresh face..he has been there forever. The few Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #16
Many Many Thanks SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #53
Exactly ... Trajan Feb 2016 #61
Establishment doesn't care for the message, deeply envies the money it raises. HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #5
They live in a bubble. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #9
Schlumpy, can't win? W.T.F. merrily Feb 2016 #8
They're saying we want what that guy has, they say on one hand he has magic..then Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #12
I had hoped media would stop slanting shamefully at some point. Guess not. merrily Feb 2016 #42
Major media will not nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #70
To join Bernie's Army Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #13
The nation that can consider nominating Sanders for president... Orsino Feb 2016 #18
Yes, that's how we all feel that support Bernie, I think...a must actually. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #21
And all these guys will be sucking up to Bernie cali Feb 2016 #19
+1. I hope so too, cali. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #22
it is called "having a principle" --- you can not fake or borrow it. kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #25
Amazing isn't it.."magic" they call it. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #34
I know --- so sad kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #43
Maybe if they'd look at WHY people are angry and want REAL alternatives to the GOP Armstead Feb 2016 #26
Exactly and you notice, they admit and recognize he has magical powers, but he is still TOO ANGRY. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #35
Ugh. vi5 Feb 2016 #29
Yes and it demonstrates why we lose many races. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #36
Here Is A Clue For Them colsohlibgal Feb 2016 #30
+1. yep. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #37
Many Many Thanks SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #56
Sincerity is key Mister Ed Feb 2016 #33
That the democratic establishment didn't see this coming My Good Babushka Feb 2016 #39
They absolutely did not..is there a memo somewhere in the DNC that warned, hey this guy Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #41
It seems like both parties are sealed behind a bubble in Washington LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #93
Are they really morons? Matariki Feb 2016 #45
Detached would be another word, but your summation is more accurate, I think. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #49
No need to copy. Put him on top of the ticket and ride to victory. GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #47
That's it, in a nutshell, thank you. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #48
Seriously, this!! Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #52
FINE! EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #50
DWS, she has helped us win how many seats? lol Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #54
She helped us win -900 seats. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #98
How about endorse Bernie and join him. Fearless Feb 2016 #51
! bigwillq Feb 2016 #55
If he wins, some of them will wait it out..then, OH Bernie, you are soo awesome! n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #58
My vote is not for sale to the Dem Party. Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #57
The answer is ideological pandering Renew Deal Feb 2016 #59
Wow, this article certainly confirms what useless assholes these guys are cali Feb 2016 #60
Yep, its the split.. it is Bernie and us the people...even within our party. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #62
The headline is about copying Bernie Sanders, but Eric J in MN Feb 2016 #63
Yes, Bernie is amazing, they want to get hold of that "magic" but he is still too angry. lol Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #66
All the pop bands Z_California Feb 2016 #64
lol Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #67
Ok, these people do live in a grand bubble nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #65
Ya have to laugh, it's too pathetic otherwise. I read this and thought, omg..DUH. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #68
These guys aren't going to be able to duplicate Bernie's success because they cali Feb 2016 #69
"Hill Democrats are scrambling to figure out how they can capture some of Sanders’ magic" Autumn Feb 2016 #71
All they see is the money..how did he do THAT?? Then their critical thinking skills really set in.. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #73
People who have to "scramble to figure it out" Kall Feb 2016 #72
+1 Matariki Feb 2016 #75
BE a progressive rather than twisting in the wind and pretending to be all sorts of twisted stuff. Red Oak Feb 2016 #74
Why are they saying we aren't Democrats? passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #77
For some, they have evolved but not in a good way. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #89
Honesty. Integrity. Principles. concreteblue Feb 2016 #78
Hey Dems, you have a liberal base! Cobalt Violet Feb 2016 #79
Yes,..it is not hard. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #81
Its all done with unicorns and rainbow farts! The fact the elite are stunned by Bernie's Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #80
....! KoKo Feb 2016 #85
+1. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #90
GOOD! I hope they are learning and paying attention. Amimnoch Feb 2016 #83
Agree, and thank you! n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #94
The jokes about these people not caring until they smelled money Kall Feb 2016 #86
finally!! ellennelle Feb 2016 #87
That is a sound and reasoned conclusion..Bernie can't be ignored..he is viable. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #91
All they see is money money money. Fuck'em. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #92
They prove Bernie is right -- money is the issue. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #95
A lot of space has been vacated on the left Bad Thoughts Feb 2016 #96
Maybe they should be real Democrats too instead of corporocrats diane in sf Feb 2016 #100
Sounds like they're mostly interested in how to trick us using his rhetoric. arcane1 Feb 2016 #101
How to duplicate Bernie's "magic?" stage left Feb 2016 #102
Yea, it's not hard, but they'll endorse her and expect a different outcome for themselves. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #103
It's not possible. It would require telling the truth and representing the people CentralMass Feb 2016 #104
Yea, there are about 100 responses in the thread, truth is the magic..DC guys are lost, too many of Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #105
It's the integrity, stupid. Something many politicians can't emulate. Skwmom Feb 2016 #106
Funny how everyone in the thread gets it yet these guys think he has magic. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #107
No Bernie support, NO MONEY Politicalboi Feb 2016 #108
They endorse Hillary? Ino Feb 2016 #111
Sometimes I feel like fellow Democrats are idiots... Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #112
Clones are always inferior NWCorona Feb 2016 #113
 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
1. Simple. Stop deferring to Goldman Sachs and other corporations...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:25 AM
Feb 2016

Instead we will get clever speech lines that will be forgotten after election day.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
2. Yea, the OP is good in that they see what is happening but at the same time they're still stuck in
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:28 AM
Feb 2016

DUHville.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
10. Pretty funny. They imagine that we would give money to them when they either jump on the Hillary...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:35 AM
Feb 2016

bandwagon or sit on the sidelines. They are clueless.

They imagine that after they put some of Bernie's ideas through the deflavorizing machine, that our wallets will open to them.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
14. Yes, they're focused on the dollar signs...and say at the same time his magic is something else.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:42 AM
Feb 2016

Buy he's still too angry. lol


They have manufactured messages for so long, I guess as you say, they remain clueless.
Authenticity escapes them.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
17. When you spin 24/7.....truth, lies? Those words lose their meaning.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016

I think that they are suspicious of authenticity. They view it as an even more devious form of manipulation.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
20. Yea, and it seems to go right over their head and have labeled his appeal as "magic".
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:51 AM
Feb 2016

Truth equals magic..maybe they'll get that soon so we can stop losing so many
Democratic races.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
44. ..they are suspicious of authenticity. They view it as an even more devious form of manipulation.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:43 AM
Feb 2016

Words losing meaning after constant spinning. Damn that is one brilliant post.





 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
46. It is as if the Democrats have amnesia....they have forgotten the point of it all.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:53 AM
Feb 2016

They value winning above all, but can't quite remember what they were trying to win, or why.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
76. but can't quite remember what they were trying to win, or why.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:07 PM
Feb 2016

I know...

"The glory days of Obama"????

How about Kennedy? How about FDR?????

Clueless is right!

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
109. See, that's the "New Dem" thing
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:02 AM
Feb 2016

They want a way to get mountains of corporate cash while still having the base enthusiastically support everything they do.

Obama was supposed to lead them to that promised land of perfect(false) image creating the unity under their (not very) benevolent rule.

If I could ever think of a better vision of dystopia...

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
110. Yeah, I have a notebook full of candidates who have not sat
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016

on the sidelines but instead have endorsed Bernie. And when you look at their web sites you find out they also agree with him.

These people will be the ones I donate to personally.

It is amazing that they have been selling us out for over 30 years and they expect us to support them? I realize it took us a long time to wake up but now that we are awake we are going to stay that way.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
6. Totally but at least the OP gives you a view into why we have lost so many seats.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:33 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:18 AM - Edit history (1)

The longer they blame those losses mostly on gerrymandering the more we'll lose.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
27. That's so important for people to realize. When we only have 2 corporate conservative parties to
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:00 AM
Feb 2016

chose from, with liberal values only making an appearance during campaigns & then always tempered with "no new taxes" & no welfare for the poor, and no we don't want the dreaded "big govt" either, there's no reason to vote, for many people. No one represents them, so they are the apathetic non-voters....

Why bother? is right up there with the problem of gerrymandering.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
32. Bernie is still behind in getting through to more disaffected voters and I hope we can work hard
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:04 AM
Feb 2016

enough, raise enough money so he can get that message out. But you're right and
disaffected voters span so many demographics...we just have to keep trying.


Nay

(12,051 posts)
4. They can't copy Bernie's success without having been progressives
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:31 AM
Feb 2016

for 40 years.

Their idea that they can just copy some fucking "magic" is the whole problem with their whole shitty, crappy, fake, useless, unproductive, shallow party mechanism.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
15. It makes me grind my teeth. It's so condescending, fake and
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:44 AM
Feb 2016

opportunistic. And they have the nerve to wonder why Hillary isn't running away with the nomination?? Jesus Christ on a crutch.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
16. Yes and they can't say, well he's new and a fresh face..he has been there forever. The few
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:46 AM
Feb 2016

lone voices who is not corrupt.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
5. Establishment doesn't care for the message, deeply envies the money it raises.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:32 AM
Feb 2016

Ignoring that it's a response to that message thingy, they are puzzled about how to capture that magic.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
12. They're saying we want what that guy has, they say on one hand he has magic..then
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:39 AM
Feb 2016

fault him for being too angry. lol They are devoid of how real his message is about the
corruption that prevents any movement to resolve significant issues.

They still look at him as orchestrating a message, as opposed to what he has always
done, tell the truth.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
70. Major media will not
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:53 PM
Feb 2016

Assuming Sanders becomes Potus, they will continue the slant well after New Deal 11 is implemented...the same thing happened with FDR. It's the ideology stupid.

Positive overall coverage did not really start until Dec 8, 1941. Before that it was...well...curious of course, some papers back then did not hide they were pro republican. These days I feel media should go back to tje 60s, tje closest we came to a somewhat neutral, just the facts ma'am media

 
13. To join Bernie's Army
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:40 AM
Feb 2016

Steps to join Bernie's Army (and success)

1) Quit your loyalty to the current administration of Democratic National Party
2) Join Bernie Sanders, and fully endorse him enthusiastically and back him up 100%
3) Set up your recurring donation for Bernie via Act Blue
4) Order your Bernie swag, and put it all over in public.
5) Be honest and do not overdo the public when promising change. Keep it realistic.
6) Most importantly, enjoy yourself, be yourself and have fun!

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
18. The nation that can consider nominating Sanders for president...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016

...is a nation that will elect a better Congress and better state legislators.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
26. Maybe if they'd look at WHY people are angry and want REAL alternatives to the GOP
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:59 AM
Feb 2016

But they're just looking at the "ka'ching" and wondering how they can pretend to care so they can make some of that easy money from the dumbasses out here.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
35. Exactly and you notice, they admit and recognize he has magical powers, but he is still TOO ANGRY.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:09 AM
Feb 2016

lol

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
29. Ugh.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:01 AM
Feb 2016

They want to use his success not copy it. Copying it would require changes and obviously change (or as some would say "progress&quot is not something the Democratic party is currently a big fan of.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
30. Here Is A Clue For Them
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:01 AM
Feb 2016

Quit being republican lite third way corporate types, go hard populist instead....and not just the usual lip service variety other than with social issues.

The success of Bernie, and yes, the weird and misguided support for Trump should tell us that people are tired of the corporate control of both party machines.

Mister Ed

(5,940 posts)
33. Sincerity is key
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:05 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Once those political hacks learn to fake Sanders' sincerity, they'll have it made.

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
39. That the democratic establishment didn't see this coming
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:12 AM
Feb 2016

is a troubling indictment of their ability to handle the economy. If they couldn't even predict the groundswell of frustration in working class people who are slipping off the edges of subsistence means they are not prepared with meaningful reforms.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
41. They absolutely did not..is there a memo somewhere in the DNC that warned, hey this guy
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:15 AM
Feb 2016

could pull it off? I doubt it, they thought they got rid of their only threat, Warren.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
93. It seems like both parties are sealed behind a bubble in Washington
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

A Conservative media bubble. Appearing on all those political hack talk shows that are made up of a majority of right wing panelists. Completely unreflective of the general population. I don't know if they are willfully stupid, or just fleeced by some status quo culture. Its almost could be compared to the Vatican City's relationship with Italy. It is evident when things like simple background criminal and mental checks should be required before buying a gun, which seemed obvious to the 85% - 95% of the American people (depending on what poll). Yet not just Republicans, but many Democrats as well, voted to quash that bill before it was even born.

They live in this "we know whats best for you all" They are all so afraid to break the bubble and actually just listen to the population. Bernie is the exception. Most just believe the tired old Washington memes of "its a Conservative country". Dems have been so pathetically frightened of Fox News scolding them on the air, even though despite 24/7 endless D bashing, the public has voted a Democrat as President two times in a row, and will most likely vote in another one. And many Ds have had to scramble with their own "I've evolved" on their sudden shock to find out that outside this bubble the public is actually in favor of gay marriage and legal weed.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
45. Are they really morons?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:50 AM
Feb 2016

The answer is simple, which is probably why they want to look so hard for a different one. The "secret" is WORK FOR US.

And for reals, not just lip service.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
47. No need to copy. Put him on top of the ticket and ride to victory.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:57 AM
Feb 2016

They should try to get passed the calculated demographics and segmentation stuff and try supporting at least a few things that people want.

The era of big brand is over. The era of transparency is here. If you can't be as transparent as Bernie then his methods won't work for you.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
54. DWS, she has helped us win how many seats? lol
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:31 PM
Feb 2016

How does anyone keep that position for so long and not produce accordingly? Amazing.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
62. Yep, its the split.. it is Bernie and us the people...even within our party.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016

What they're extracting from the response Bernie has received is about as
cynical as Hillary's campaign.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
63. The headline is about copying Bernie Sanders, but
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:44 PM
Feb 2016

...the article is about Congress members who want half-measures like Hillary Clinton does.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
66. Yes, Bernie is amazing, they want to get hold of that "magic" but he is still too angry. lol
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:47 PM
Feb 2016

It is amazing how stupid they are...they reveal, as you say..much more about themselves
than they intended.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
69. These guys aren't going to be able to duplicate Bernie's success because they
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:51 PM
Feb 2016

are phony fucks. And creepy corporatists like Israel will never get Bernie's help. Tough shit.

Autumn

(45,106 posts)
71. "Hill Democrats are scrambling to figure out how they can capture some of Sanders’ magic"
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:53 PM
Feb 2016
Good luck fellas, never gonna happen.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
73. All they see is the money..how did he do THAT?? Then their critical thinking skills really set in..
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:58 PM
Feb 2016

it must be MAGIC. lol

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
75. +1
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:04 PM
Feb 2016

Exactly. It's disgusting actually. The idea of veteran pols trying to figure out what kind of act to put on to grab a piece of grassroot funding... nauseating.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
78. Honesty. Integrity. Principles.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:14 PM
Feb 2016

It is not rocket science. And for $5000, you too can attend my seminar on how to " be like Bernie"
But for my friends on DU, i will give you the short version: dont lie. Dont sell out your principles. Dont take campaign $$ from people who expect anything from you that would mean compromising above.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
80. Its all done with unicorns and rainbow farts! The fact the elite are stunned by Bernie's
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:21 PM
Feb 2016

success speaks volumes to how out of touch they truly are.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
83. GOOD! I hope they are learning and paying attention.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:24 PM
Feb 2016

I also hope this movement grows and expands to either hold them to it, or start replacing them.

Reinforce the Democrats that support progressive causes.

Primary the ones that don't out of office, and replace them with ones that do.

Use this energy to get out the vote in 2018 mid-terms and kick republicans out with Democrats.

I, for one, am quite pleased to see Senator Sanders moving the conversation to the left. I'm hoping for hope that this movement grows and expands past the presidential election.

Kall

(615 posts)
86. The jokes about these people not caring until they smelled money
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:28 PM
Feb 2016

pretty much write themselves, and show why they'll never "figure it out."

ellennelle

(614 posts)
87. finally!!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:32 PM
Feb 2016

someone admits they're noticing the obvious!!

that last line just slays me:

Success like that is something party leaders can’t ignore, even if they reject the messenger.

however, herein lies the rub, methinks. all the action is in the messenger. not in bernie, per se, but in his integrity and character.

you can't copy, borrow, or fake that. It is who he is, and you can't just wrap yourself in it like some cloak off the rack.

which is why hillary is struggling so badly. she reached for the cloak the way these quotables are considering as soon as she realized she was not inevitable. but it does not work. anyone paying attention gets it.

that money quote, tho, pivots on the first clause: SUCCESS LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING PARTY LEADERS CAN'T IGNORE.

hear hear! i second the emotion!

and they damn well better start paying attention.

ps. as an aside, i'd have to say that, given how long bernie gave his own odds when he embarked on this campaign, this admission in print on the part of party members is a TOTAL VICTORY, even if he were to hypothetically not win the nomination.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
95. They prove Bernie is right -- money is the issue.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:15 PM
Feb 2016

The beauty is, they CAN'T copy it.

This is a perfect year for a genuine, liberal populist... wonder where we could find one?

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
96. A lot of space has been vacated on the left
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

It should be easy to run as a liberal and still be more conservative than Sanders.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
103. Yea, it's not hard, but they'll endorse her and expect a different outcome for themselves.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:43 PM
Feb 2016

After all, DWS is doing such a splendid job!

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
105. Yea, there are about 100 responses in the thread, truth is the magic..DC guys are lost, too many of
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016

them.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
107. Funny how everyone in the thread gets it yet these guys think he has magic.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:52 PM
Feb 2016

How many seats have Democrats lost so far? How much longer are we
going to blame Republicans for these losses?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
108. No Bernie support, NO MONEY
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:06 PM
Feb 2016

I bet a lot of these are Super Delegates for her. Good luck assholes. I will NEVER give to them. ONLY Bernie.

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
112. Sometimes I feel like fellow Democrats are idiots...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:47 AM
Feb 2016

Before you call the firing squad, hear me out!

Is it not obvious to them that people are sick and tired of the way they've been doing things? People have been talking about a need for a change in politics for years. Senator Sanders had the good sense to not only see this and tap into it, but to also "feel the Bern" himself rather than ignoring it like so many of his colleagues have done. Secretary Clinton and other Democrats would be wise to follow in his path.

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