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The pointer at Camp Whether-Vain!

"Good-bye, Ruby Tuesday
Who could pin a name on you
When you change with every new day?
Still I'm gonna miss you..."

is correct, probably a repeat of the 90's on Steroids.

or have they all got cushy lobbying stints now? They musta been capable folks - Obama kept a bunch of them rather than have to spend time finding Dem members!

Together they can reoccupy Iraq, and wage new wars in Iran, Libya and Syria.




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one without integrity. Whata matchup!

some serious study.

It's no coincidence our education has sucked long time.

The masses are easy to control when their clueless.

That's why free higher education scares the shit out of the elites.

in America.

Spot on!

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Democrat in the sense that she does not embrace traditional Democratic party values-- you know, concern for the interests of the powerless little guy. And the modern day Democratic Party certainly does not represent us. We've been bought out by corporations and big money donors who pull the strings. Hillary works for them.

and the little girl, women, minorities, unions, workers, etc. It is Bernie who does not support the Democratic Party but is willing to use its support when it suits him.

Giving lip service is not support.

Oh wait ... never mind.

That opening sentence had me anticipating the punch line. Instead, I got a line from some other fantasy that was pure baloney.

likes of Goldman Sachs and parlayed her husband's Presidency into a goldmine has the backs of ordinary people. If her "no we can't" rhetoric inspires you, great. Go for it. I think we should aim higher.

Keep up the good work.

It explains a lot and why we are where we are as the Democratic Party.

When Dems think that kind of shit is OK then we have lost our soul as a party.

Recommended.

No, it's not giving away free stuff - and that's not what Bernie is talking about. He's talking about raising money through taxes to pay for giving more Americans the chance to go to college, to have access to healthcare, to have a better wage, to repair our infrastructure (which desperately needs repair). None of this stuff is going to be free, Clinton knows this, Sanders knows this, their supporters know this.

Here's a secret: WE ALL KNOW VERY WELL THAT WE HAVE TO WORK FOR THESE THINGS!

So, no, he's not promising "free this and free that and free everything". What he's promising is that he'll help us work for them, to get them in motion, to challenge the system for the sake of economic and social justice. I'm definitely up for that - so should any democrat be, so should we ALL be, regardless of which candidate we support.

I'm getting awful tired of this "he's just promising free stuff..." nonsense. He's not - and we all know he's not.

Bernie is offering unfunded social programs for votes. He has set forth no credible plan to pay for them.

just like the ones that Hillary is citing in the first quote.

I am a life-long Democrat and I'm proud of it. You and your Bernie-buddies sound so very childish when you call us Republicans. Why not cut out the name-calling and start offering reasoned arguments?

I can see why you like Clinton

Robert Reich, Galbraith and more than 170 other economists have publicly announced their support of Bernie's economics.

P.S. 'Bernie-buddies' sounds a lot like childish name-calling to my ears.

...me I'm a Republican because I question Bernie's ability to p[ay for his proposed programs.

Hell, just a 10% cut on war spending (both on the books and off the books programs) would bring in about $100 billion a year.

Most credible Economists say the will WORK, and are economically viable.
Your meme that these programs won't work is just another Clinton LIE.

remember the republican convention of 2004 with the flip flops?


think a thousand times worse if we nominate Hillary

Ha! I find it so funny that HRC forgets that this thing called the Internet exists. Bernie has the people, Hill has the corporations.

It looks more and more likely that she and her camp will prevail over Bernie. There is no dirty trick or rat fucking low enough for them to forgo and they are already reaching pretty deep into the barrel already. The real question is not just the harm she and her "supporters" (i.e. - underlings lining up at the trough before the feeding frenzy) are doing to the party, it is how in the world can she generate enough turnout to prevail in the General Election?

Clinton is going to alienate nearly all of Bernie's supporters in the next few weeks (those she has not already that is). That sets up incredibly badly for turn out in November and for enthusiasm in general for the Democratic Party. We are already gerrymandered out of the House, have lost the Senate (and we could be blowing any chance of down ticket seat pick ups in the Senate by nominating the human weather vane and her army of scarecrows) and now face the very real possibility of 100% Conservative government with a Supreme Court stacking as much as 7-2 against everything that makes America recognizable in the post-World Wars era (since 1945 on).

The youth vote is notoriously fickle and difficult to get to vote in the first place.

Now, take a candidate that actually speaks to their core beliefs and concerns, marginalize and attack him to drive him out of the race (instead of reviewing his positions and recognizing WHY they are appealing to the youth of an alienated nation to begin with...) and watch what happens to that valuable voting bloc. Clinton does not NEED to be as nasty as she is. She does NOT need to attack through surrogates the veracity of Bernie's civil rights activism or his insistence on fighting for single payer healthcare the way she does. She is almost Nixonian in attacking perceived "enemies" beyond Clintonland.

I am predicting now that a Hillary candidacy will result in a President Rubio and if anyone thought George W. Bush was a disaster, just wait until his successor puppet gets into office. The GOP base may be mad at their party leaders and establishment, but the ace in the hole for them is that the only thing the GOP base would be energized by and rally around to stamp out would be Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Party nominee.

Clinton is going to kill the Democratic Party, serve up the knife that will be used to eviscerate the New Deal forever, shatter the future of millions of people and ensure that the Supreme Court moves to a generationally dominated conservative bench to bless it all....for what? What is her "why"? WHY is she so bent on pursuing power for herself at the expense of so many?

Truth be told, Hillary Clinton KNOWS all of this. She is not stupid or incompetent. She is lustful for power - no less than the GOP clown car candidate of Trump, Cruz and Rubio - and has little to no interest in the actual harm that she will cause. She should never have run in the first place. Her personal ambition and dream of being the first woman President had better be worth it, because the wreckage that will be in her wake on 09Nov16 is going to be vast and is going to hurt millions of people for decades to come.

And trying to link them is wrong.

Sounds like all you've got is sophomoric slime.

Right. It doesn't take grade schooler to call out obvious Bull Shit but thanks for ranking me up!

Oh yea and it's better than having complete ignorance as you guide.

Thanks for the call out, coming from a Thirdway supporter it's a YUUUUUGE honor.

If complete ignorance isn't your problem, why do you have to resort to such crude substitutes for dialog?

Oh cause you've got nothing.

How's that working for you? Is there a thirdwayer under your bed? Hiding in your closet? Out in the woodpile?

Talk about sophomoric slime. Projecting much?

Or did you imagine that you actually asked a question?

characterized as "free stuff." They could have anything more to do with each other.

The first criticizes Republicans for accusing liberals of trying to attract votes by offering free things, even when their proposal are accompanied by a detailed and economically feasible mechanism for raising the funds required.

The second criticizes Sanders for failing to provide a credible means of paying for programs he has proposed.

See, it wasn't that hard to understand now, was it? I hope the nuance is not above your collective heads.

Cause it sure looks like she was chastising republicans for calling education and health care "free stuff" then moved on to calling it free stuff herself.

What else do the want?

... to pay for shit.

Don't see this being confusing

with Thirdway supporters.

Maybe we need to coin a term for ya'll: One-way supporters?

Haven't come up with an original idea in years it would appear.

Keep blowing that wind for camp weathervane.

Windvane? Maybe just an opportunist.

Totally ironic.

Are you part of the new batch here to replace the previous ones that failed?

...and will now keep repeating it ad nauseum. You do have a limited repertoire.

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...of the marginalized that the establishment has to share power with...

Its a temper tantrum, not a revolution

But I'm not holding my breath.

He is trying to take the Democratic Party away from the politicians who have sold us out.

Wow, you can find ways to bash him no matter what, funny that

Since when is a fact bashing? He wouldn't become a Democrat for twenty years because the party didn't measure up to his standards. He felt so very strongly that way that he spoke out on many occasions making snide comments about the Party. Suddenly when he needs money from the Party (some of it corporate donations TO the party) and support, he finds they DO measure up to his standards after all. Um I think there is a name for that. What is it called again?

interesting thought experiment, you don't have to reply.

Bernie's not giving away free everything Gosh she sounds like ahem I was only inferring from her actions she was a conservative. She sounds totally like a Closet Republican running as a Democrat. Like literally. How she can get away with this I have no idea.

What she till tell you depends only on the polls. forgodsake.

that is a substantive difference between Bernie and Hillary. Thank you for pointing it out.

Thanks for the thread, UglyGreed.

First one proves she is a Democrat. The insane claims she is no different from a Republican are what is incredible.

In the second she simply points out that simply promising those things is not enough. That does not mean she is not for them.