2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe race is not to the swift, but that's the way the smart money bets.
For those of us who support Bernie and identify ourselves as Democratic Socialist or "very liberal," it is time for some contingency planning. Bernie's candidacy has always been a long shot. The "smart money" may bet on the long shot if the stakes are right, and they are. But the "smart money" also considers alternatives.
Bernie has said he intends to stay in the race until the convention. That's because his objectives were always larger than winning the nomination or the presidency, and that's why many of us support him. For the same reason, it is imperative that we support the Democratic Party nominee very strongly even if she is Hillary. The larger objectives of Bernie's campaign will not be advanced but undermined by opposition to the Democratic Party nominee, even passive "stay-at-home" opposition.
If we do not support the Democratic nominee, two things can happen, and both of them are bad.
First, the Republicans might win. I need not explain why that is bad.
Second, the nominee might win without our support. Now, there is a section of the Democratic Party that wants to dump the left, making the DP a centrist party. They think they can win without us, and they would rather win without us, for very rational reasons. As the political theorist William Riker observed years ago, it is better to win with 50.01% than to win with 70%, since if you win with 70%, the benefits of winning have to be divided more ways -- less per member of the winning party. For the nominee -- if not Bernie then Hillary -- to win without us would be a success for that tendency, a bad result for America.
Here then is my thought. If indeed Hillary wins, we should be out from the first with a strong (but of course critical) organization of Democratic Socialists for Hillary. Democratic Socialists of America have been committed for a couple of generations to supporting Democratic nominees, so no doubt they will this time around, but I am saying we need something new that would be committed to bringing Bernie supporters, Occupiers, and -- yes, by damn -- Black Lives Matter activists to support a Democratic nominee whatever doubts they may have about her.
It is unfortunate that, with the exception of New York State, third parties are not allowed to endorse the candidates of other (major) parties. A Democratic Socialist Party that would endorse the nominee of the national Democratic Party would allow the left to send an unambiguous message, and to make it clear to the national Democratic Party that they cannot win without the left. Perhaps those laws should be challenged -- after all, we Democratic Socialists are deprived of the opportunity to vote in the presidential election -- but that will not happen, so make no mistake: we must not only vote for the nominee of the Democratic Party, but support that person strongly and visibly as Democratic Socialists.
onecaliberal
(32,863 posts)The ability for humans to live on this planet are being destroyed out of greed. I will not condone or contribute to that any longer.
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)Look, Hillary can be responsive. (She is criticized for being too responsive -- for "evolving." If we keep our activity level up, she will "evolve" in our direction -- and if we don't, she will "evolve" whither the wind doth blow.
Refusing to choose the lesser evil sometimes means effectively choosing the greater evil. What's moral about that?
onecaliberal
(32,863 posts)Will do at s slower pace. What is moral about invading and killing brown children in the Middle East? She is planning the next invasion as we speak. No thanks!
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)Military adventurism is one of the worst of all our problems. But it will not be eliminated until the majority of the voting public are opposed to military adventurism -- and even then it will not be eliminated unless we have a Commander in Chief who is willing to respond to majority opinion.
When Hillary voted for the 2003 war, she was following the majority opinion. You and I and Bernie were in the minority.
I do wish we had a leader with enough moral fiber to oppose the majority when the majority are wrong. But there ARE worse things than a leader who takes the majority position when the majority position when the majority are wrong, and that is a president who will suppress the majority position when the majority are right -- that is to say, a Republican.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)rogerashton
(3,920 posts)I believe the phrase is "cutting off your nose to spite your face."
There is a time for retaliation. Without the threat of retaliation nobody ever bargains. But it is only retaliation if the other person actually has something to lose from it. I am saying: let us make sure she knows that she has something to lose if she loses US.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)rogerashton
(3,920 posts)Hillary is only for Hillary. That's true of most politicians -- and yes, I think Bernie is an exception, but any Republican nominee will also be only for himself. (Ben Carson might be the exception on their side -- I think maybe he really does have a cause. It is a cause I would oppose, of course.) The idea behind democracy is: politicians, who are out only for themselves, compete for votes, and the one who gets the most votes gets to make the decisions. So the politicians have incentives to act as the majority wants -- and sometimes that works. I think it will work better with Hillary than with any Republican. You haven't contradicted that, just said that you will avenge the hurt she has done to you by hurting yourself.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)rogerashton
(3,920 posts)Will you affirm that if we win our trifecta, and Bernie is nominated, you will be out working for him?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)My nose holding days for the lesser of two evils are over.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)One might better use "swift" to describe the candidate that has almost-sorta caught up.
Because by default, slow and rich wins the race.