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Bernie supporters do not support Trump. (Original Post) mmonk Feb 2016 OP
I don't know EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #1
Sadly, the same goes for Bernie. Many Democrats won't vote for him and... grossproffit Feb 2016 #2
Does this data contain republican or independent Sanders supporters? whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #3
I can tell you anecdotally from independent voters coyote Feb 2016 #36
Is not voting for Hillary a vote for Trump? n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #5
many EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #16
Of course it is. Codeine Feb 2016 #25
Some choose to live aspirationally. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #30
Alrighty then. Codeine Feb 2016 #32
Good lord, there are no nominees yet. morningfog Feb 2016 #33
We're obviously speaking hypothetically. Codeine Feb 2016 #34
I doubt that. A racist's easiest path is Trump. mmonk Feb 2016 #6
Though remember Bernie has a lot of independent support BainsBane Feb 2016 #14
you assume EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #20
Bullshit. Point us to one Bernie supporter on this website who would vote for Trump. Zorra Feb 2016 #7
I have seen exactly one AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #13
on this website? EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #21
No. DU is a very large sample population of Bernie supporters. Zorra Feb 2016 #26
it's not EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #35
I'm a Bernie supporter and if I were gonna vote for Trump I wouldn't tell anybody tularetom Feb 2016 #37
Cool story bro... GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #12
I don't know where you get that data Red Knight Feb 2016 #19
There's ample evidence EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #22
absolutely yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #29
The broad brushing going on has been epic here lately. blm Feb 2016 #4
These are desperate times. n/t Orsino Feb 2016 #8
I'm responding, not broad brushing. mmonk Feb 2016 #10
I am agreeing with your post, mmonk. blm Feb 2016 #18
"There's a LOT of Bernie supporters that WILL vote for Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination." LexVegas Feb 2016 #9
Good, I hope that means I won't see another post BainsBane Feb 2016 #11
In other words, the left is the right? mmonk Feb 2016 #15
Lord, I don't know BainsBane Feb 2016 #17
Trump is a wild card with no real defined positions karynnj Feb 2016 #27
he's far to the left of Clinton EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #23
If I were to vote for Trump it's because of his Free Trade stance. dirtydickcheney Feb 2016 #24
Occasionally one of his smart alec remarks might have to truth to it, but overall, ladjf Feb 2016 #28
The establishment candidate for both parties are representing the temper tantrums... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #31

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
1. I don't know
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:08 PM
Feb 2016

I mean I get what you're saying, but...

There's a LOT of Bernie supporters that WILL vote for Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. I'm not sure how you've reached a conclusion about what a real supporter is, but.. I can tell you, and all the reporting and polls back me up, there's a significant number of people that will vote Sanders in a primary and then vote Trump in the GE if Hillary is the nominee.

If for no other reason than to say FU to the establishment.

And if Hillary gets the nod liberals won't have any good options... who knows what they'll do...

It could turn into a Trump landslide...

But the prospect of crossover voting between the parties still deserves attention, especially in the unique cases of Trump and Bernie Sanders, whose mutual appeal to many of the same voters has been well noted. “Voters who were on the fence between the seemingly polar opposite candidates said both communicated well with working-class people and made strong cases for how they would improve the economy,” The New York Times reported from Vermont last week, observing the odd phenomenon of voters who consider the two candidates quite comparable. In the words of one voter: “Bernie is my No. 1 choice, and Trump is No. 2. They’re not that different.


https://newrepublic.com/article/127442/explains-trump-sanders-crossover-vote

Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders? Some voters can't decide

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/08/politics/new-hampshire-primary-independent-voters/

Bernie Sanders: I can win the backing of Donald Trump supporters

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders said Sunday that he believes he can boost his own standing in the race by swaying supporters of Republican frontrunner Donald Trump to back his campaign.

Sanders told CBS’s Face the Nation that many of Trump’s supporters have legitimate fears stemming from income inequality that Sanders is best positioned to address.

“What Trump has done with some success is taken that anger, taken those fears, which are legitimate, and converted them into anger against Mexicans, anger against Muslims,” Sanders said.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/27/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-income-inequality

SO - If Bernie himself sees the connection you should consider to exist - unless you think Bernie doesn't know what he's talking about.
 

coyote

(1,561 posts)
36. I can tell you anecdotally from independent voters
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:56 PM
Feb 2016

That they will support Bernie or Trump, but not Clinton or any other establishment candidate. The mood is the country is anti-establishment. Clinton cannot and will not win the GE.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
25. Of course it is.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:41 PM
Feb 2016

Astounding that some people still haven't figured out the basic realities of a two-party system.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
30. Some choose to live aspirationally.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:50 PM
Feb 2016

For me, I would never let others' preferences choose who I vote for. That is all the two-party system is, a game of chicken where the masses determine who we vote for. I don't buy in.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
14. Though remember Bernie has a lot of independent support
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:16 PM
Feb 2016

at least according to NH exit polls, where he did better among independents than Democrats. One state, of course, is not determinative.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
20. you assume
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

that the majority of people that will vote for Trump are doing so for racist reasons...

That's a pretty big assumption...

A lot of them - in the same way a lot of Hillary supporters don't care about her being corrupt - don't care about Trump being a racist. They're voting for him for a lot of other reasons... like they despise the status quo... or they think he's honest whereas his opponents aren't.

I'm not saying those things are TRUE, but I am saying that that's what many people feel.

On top of that, look at all the polling, there's significant crossover appeal for both Sanders and Trump...

Plus assuming that all Sanders supporters are "progressive" is also a stretch. Many of them like what he's saying, but aren't livelong "progressives". Those people aren't guaranteed to just vote for a Dem if Bernie loses the race.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
7. Bullshit. Point us to one Bernie supporter on this website who would vote for Trump.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:11 PM
Feb 2016

There's thousands of Bernie supporters here.

Show us one, just one, who would vote for Trump.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
13. I have seen exactly one
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:16 PM
Feb 2016

Person here say she would vote for trump.....if Sanders gets the nomination.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
26. No. DU is a very large sample population of Bernie supporters.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:41 PM
Feb 2016

There may be one or two Bernie supporters somewhere out in the world who would vote for Trump, but I've yet to meet one, and have not run across one on the internet.

It's a really, really odd thing to say that Bernie supporters would support Trump.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
35. it's not
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:55 PM
Feb 2016
But the prospect of crossover voting between the parties still deserves attention, especially in the unique cases of Trump and Bernie Sanders, whose mutual appeal to many of the same voters has been well noted. “Voters who were on the fence between the seemingly polar opposite candidates said both communicated well with working-class people and made strong cases for how they would improve the economy,” The New York Times reported from Vermont last week, observing the odd phenomenon of voters who consider the two candidates quite comparable. In the words of one voter: “Bernie is my No. 1 choice, and Trump is No. 2. They’re not that different.


https://newrepublic.com/article/127442/explains-trump-sanders-crossover-vote

Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders? Some voters can't decide

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/08/politics/new-hampshire-primary-independent-voters/

Bernie Sanders: I can win the backing of Donald Trump supporters

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders said Sunday that he believes he can boost his own standing in the race by swaying supporters of Republican frontrunner Donald Trump to back his campaign.

Sanders told CBS’s Face the Nation that many of Trump’s supporters have legitimate fears stemming from income inequality that Sanders is best positioned to address.

“What Trump has done with some success is taken that anger, taken those fears, which are legitimate, and converted them into anger against Mexicans, anger against Muslims,” Sanders said.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/27/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-income-inequality

SO - If Bernie himself sees the connection you should consider to exist - unless you think Bernie doesn't know what he's talking about.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
37. I'm a Bernie supporter and if I were gonna vote for Trump I wouldn't tell anybody
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:57 PM
Feb 2016

If I weren't going to vote for him I wouldn't tell anybody that either.

I won't tell anybody who I intend to vote for. Ever.

My vote is my business.

I don't even tell my wife.

Red Knight

(704 posts)
19. I don't know where you get that data
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:25 PM
Feb 2016

Trump is hoping to get the support of Reagan Democrats.

I kinda doubt that describes Bernie supporters.

I do think there's a possibility many Bernie supporters stay home if Hillary is the nominee--but I seriously doubt they would vote for Trump. It doesn't make any logical sense. Bernie supporters aren't "cult of personality" type supporters. They use "we" and "us" and support ideas.

Bernie wants single payer.

Trump wants to rip up the ACA and replace it with some sort of "buy across states" insurance scam.

Trump wants to "build a wall" I haven't heard Bernie say that one yet.

I haven't heard anything--really, that Trump wants that Bernie would support--and by extension--his supporters.

The only possible reason would be spite.

And his supporters care too much about these ideas to do that.

While staying home could be seen as a vote for Trump--it can also be seen as someone screaming as loudly as they can that they won't support business as usual within the party anymore. because make no mistake--Bernie supporters who vote for Hillary will be holding their nose and saying that they WILL accept "business as usual"--for now.

But they don't want it getting any worse.

I can't see them voting for Trump.

But I wouldn't tell you no single voter will do it. Everyone is different. I'm speaking to the movement as a whole--the majority of his supporters.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
22. There's ample evidence
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:32 PM
Feb 2016

of voters in NH who were deciding between Trump and Bernie at the last minute.

In the words of one voter: “Bernie is my No. 1 choice, and Trump is No. 2. They’re not that different.”

https://newrepublic.com/article/127442/explains-trump-sanders-crossover-vote

People seem to be viewing Sanders through their own prism and then trying to understand how someone that felt the way they do could possibly vote for Trump, but that's not the type of people we're talking about.

yourpaljoey

(2,166 posts)
29. absolutely
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:49 PM
Feb 2016

Seems many Independents are voting anti-establishment.
They will write-in Bernie, vote Trump... or stay home.
In a Trump vs Hill matchup... Trump wins.

blm

(113,065 posts)
4. The broad brushing going on has been epic here lately.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:11 PM
Feb 2016

Unfortunately, it's from both sides. I have been cautioning people to show discernment, and, sometimes it falls on deaf ears. I expect it from newer posters, but, am generally shocked when I see it from long timers.

I think they don't realize how difficult it is for us purple state Dems working GOTV when we also have to fight the misperceptions nurtured in the primary.

blm

(113,065 posts)
18. I am agreeing with your post, mmonk.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:21 PM
Feb 2016

I added to it based on my observations of what is going on here. On Trump, people aren't separating Independent Bernie supporters from Democratic Bernie Sanders supporters. implying there is no difference. To me that's using a broad brush. Something that is increasing here, and, from both sides.

LexVegas

(6,067 posts)
9. "There's a LOT of Bernie supporters that WILL vote for Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination."
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

Hmmm.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
17. Lord, I don't know
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:20 PM
Feb 2016

Seriously, but someone posted an OP claiming Trump would attack Hillary from the left in the general. I think it had to do with Iraq and TPP. But believing Trump on trade takes a complete suspension of logic. The guy makes millions from goods manufactured in China.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
27. Trump is a wild card with no real defined positions
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:42 PM
Feb 2016

I doubt he would challenge HRC from the left, as the majority of the left is completely disgusted with his racism and other problems. Not to mention., HRC being the nominee means she beat Bernie, who really is to the laft. This means even within the Democratic party, there is not enough mass to her left - so it could not be a good ploy in the general.

Not to mention, he was taped as being for war the month before the IWR vote. I do not think HRC said we should go to war.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
23. he's far to the left of Clinton
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:34 PM
Feb 2016

but that's not related to what voters are using to base their votes on...

 

dirtydickcheney

(242 posts)
24. If I were to vote for Trump it's because of his Free Trade stance.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

I don't hear Hillary saying we should bring all those jobs lost to NAFTA, CAFTA, Korea, etc. back to the US.

If I did I might change my stance on her.


"Hey, I work 50 hours a week an live in a tent-by-the-river... but at least I think my president may not be a xenophobe!"

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
28. Occasionally one of his smart alec remarks might have to truth to it, but overall,
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:44 PM
Feb 2016

he is a self-centered wild man, unsuitable to be President.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
31. The establishment candidate for both parties are representing the temper tantrums...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:51 PM
Feb 2016

... that the establishment members have when they have to share power with the marginalized.

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